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Post by Underwater Johnson on Aug 15, 2024 21:12:50 GMT -5
There Is No Such Thing As An Anaheim Angels Prospect Did you intentionally put AAAA in the middle of that?
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Post by incandenza on Aug 16, 2024 9:00:18 GMT -5
Andrew McCutchen is floating along for like a sixth consecutive season where he's just sort of passable, which has let his counting stats get into the "maaaaybe a hall of famer sorta kinda...?" territory: 53 WAR, 2136 hits, 315 HRs. Also 219 SBs, .830 OPS, and a 128 wRC+.
He also seems to be a really popular player. I bet he lasts a full ten years on the hall of fame ballot, and I might give him about a 1-in-4 chance of actually making it in on the writer's ballot (and then getting in by unanimous vote on an Era Committee or something).
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Aug 16, 2024 9:12:08 GMT -5
Andrew McCutchen is floating along for like a sixth consecutive season where he's just sort of passable, which has let his counting stats get into the "maaaaybe a hall of famer sorta kinda...?" territory: 53 WAR, 2136 hits, 315 HRs. Also 219 SBs, .830 OPS, and a 128 wRC+. He also seems to be a really popular player. I bet he lasts a full ten years on the hall of fame ballot, and I might give him about a 1-in-4 chance of actually making it in on the writer's ballot (and then getting in by unanimous vote on an Era Committee or something). Geez, didnt realize he had that many hits or HRs. I've always thought of him as being in the hall of very good, but I dont think he gets in, but yeah he has a slight chance and will get a lot of looks. He might be one of those guys like Vada Pinson, really good player, but just under the arbitrary threshold.
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Post by badfishnbc on Aug 16, 2024 11:05:18 GMT -5
There Is No Such Thing As An Anaheim Angels Prospect
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Post by incandenza on Aug 16, 2024 11:45:35 GMT -5
Andrew McCutchen is floating along for like a sixth consecutive season where he's just sort of passable, which has let his counting stats get into the "maaaaybe a hall of famer sorta kinda...?" territory: 53 WAR, 2136 hits, 315 HRs. Also 219 SBs, .830 OPS, and a 128 wRC+.
He also seems to be a really popular player. I bet he lasts a full ten years on the hall of fame ballot, and I might give him about a 1-in-4 chance of actually making it in on the writer's ballot (and then getting in by unanimous vote on an Era Committee or something). Addendum: I came across a crazy stat in the last Dan Szymborski stat - there are only four positional players age 35+ with more than 1 WAR this season (Santana, d'Arnaud, Rojas, and JD Martinez). McCutchen is actually 8th on that list at 0.7 WAR so in a sense he is still one of his generation's elite performers.
But also: this is a pretty dark era for older players.
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Post by ematz1423 on Aug 16, 2024 12:16:01 GMT -5
Was curious what Yorke has been up to since the trade, he has a hit in all but one of his games for the Pirates AAA team. He has played two games in CF, one in RF and one in LF, the rest of his games have been at 2nd. He's slashing .392/.439/.510 in 14 games for them. A little surprised they haven't just called him up to MLB at this point, their other 2nd base options aren't OPS'ing above .700 right now.
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Post by julyanmorley on Aug 16, 2024 12:35:45 GMT -5
But also: this is a pretty dark era for older players. My theory: Everyone knows pitchers are rapidly improving league wide year to year because it's easy to measure. Hitters are mostly keeping up, and the ones getting better tend to be younger for can't-teach-a-rich-old-dog-new-tricks reasons.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Aug 16, 2024 12:45:13 GMT -5
Can confirm this is not a legal argument. No idea how a DR court would evaluate it I guess.
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Post by keninten on Aug 16, 2024 13:10:05 GMT -5
Niko Kavadas called up by the Angels
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Post by 0ap0 on Aug 16, 2024 13:22:42 GMT -5
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Aug 16, 2024 13:32:21 GMT -5
Sorry to spoil the illusion, but that's the edited Red Sox headshot from the day of the trade.
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Post by incandenza on Aug 16, 2024 15:48:01 GMT -5
But also: this is a pretty dark era for older players. My theory: Everyone knows pitchers are rapidly improving league wide year to year because it's easy to measure. Hitters are mostly keeping up, and the ones getting better tend to be younger for can't-teach-a-rich-old-dog-new-tricks reasons. Something that surprised me a little bit: I went back and looked at past seasons and the number of 35+ players putting up 1 WAR seasons (~6-9 per year) is similar in recent years to what it was throughout most of the 20th century... until 1982 or so when the number suddenly spikes into the teens and occasionally the 20s (especially in the steroid years) and it stays elevated until the mid-2010s.
The era that anyone under 50 grew up in was the anomaly; the lack of good older players we've seen in the last few seasons was the norm for most of baseball history.
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Post by dirtywaterinla on Aug 16, 2024 15:57:34 GMT -5
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Post by cdj on Aug 16, 2024 17:09:29 GMT -5
Should’ve moved him at the deadline, bad asset management
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Post by turnpike74 on Aug 16, 2024 18:28:23 GMT -5
Kavadas batting cleanup for the Angels tonight. Guess it's a little easier to break in over there.
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Post by julyanmorley on Aug 16, 2024 19:04:50 GMT -5
Niko feels destined to have at least one insane two month stretch that keeps his season and then career numbers looking pretty good for a while
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Post by asm18 on Aug 16, 2024 19:11:33 GMT -5
Tyler Glasnow is going on the IL with right elbow tendinitis for Dodgers
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Post by threeifbaerga on Aug 16, 2024 20:28:04 GMT -5
Decent little career but dang, to get stuck playing for the Pirates and then Rockies. Tough.
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Post by julyanmorley on Aug 16, 2024 22:33:59 GMT -5
Michael Kopech has struck out nearly 50% since escaping the White Sox with a 0.00 ERA. Might possibly be a good idea to target talented southsiders with lousy statistics in trades.
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Post by Underwater Johnson on Aug 17, 2024 0:12:49 GMT -5
Michael Kopech has struck out nearly 50% since escaping the White Sox with a 0.00 ERA. Might possibly be a good idea to target talented southsiders with lousy statistics in trades. Ryan Brasier never played for the Pale Hose. Maybe the destination matters...
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Post by julyanmorley on Aug 17, 2024 18:55:20 GMT -5
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Post by blizzards39 on Aug 18, 2024 11:13:49 GMT -5
Sox had hard 10 game set. Os, Astors and Dbacks. So far 2-1. And Dbacks looking pedestrian vs Rays. Sox also getting a bit of luck as Framber Valdez goes today. Avoiding that stud LH vs Houston won't hurt. A 6-4 record would be unreal, but even .500 wouldnt be a disaster. I know it might out us a bit out of the playoffs but the schedule is very manageable for the last 5 weeks
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Post by asm18 on Aug 19, 2024 11:37:20 GMT -5
I mean Isaih Kiner-Falefa had a good year... before they traded him
Post-haircut Vladdy has been incredible, but otherwise nearly everyone on that Jays team has under-performed
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Post by 0ap0 on Aug 19, 2024 12:27:45 GMT -5
I don't get it. It's not like they actually paid Ohtani that money.
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Post by James Dunne on Aug 19, 2024 13:31:09 GMT -5
But also: this is a pretty dark era for older players. My theory: Everyone knows pitchers are rapidly improving league wide year to year because it's easy to measure. Hitters are mostly keeping up, and the ones getting better tend to be younger for can't-teach-a-rich-old-dog-new-tricks reasons. I think there's something to this. But I also simpler theory compounding matters: the group of position players who are currently between 35-40 is historically on the mediocre side. There are currently 11 active position players with a bWAR over 49 (I used 49 instead of 50 because it gives three more players and I get to set my own arbitrary endpoints, dammit). Of that group, only Goldschmidt (62.0) and McCutchen (49.5) are over 35 years old. But there are a bunch in their early to mid-30s (Trout, Betts, Freeman, Machado, Arenado, Altuve, Ramirez, Harper, Judge). So, in a historical sense, baseball has gone back to being harder again for the 35+ guys, but also it's just not a crop that produced players who really had slam dunk HOF quality peaks either. WAR by birth year: 1975 Alex Rodriguez 117.6 1976 Lance Berkman 51.9 1977 Carlos Beltran 70.1 1978 Chase Utley 64.5 1979 Adrian Beltre 93.5 1980 Albert Pujols 101.5 1981 Curtis Granderson 47.2 1982 Robinson Cano 68.1 1983 Miguel Cabrera 67.1 1984 Troy Tulowitzki 44.5 1985 Evan Longoria 58.6 1986 Andrew McCutchen 49.5 1987 Paul Goldschmidt 62.0 1988 Starling Marte 38.3 1989 Freddie Freeman 60.2 1990 Jose Altuve 52.1 1991 Mike Trout 86.2 1992 Mookie Betts 69.2 1993 Francisco Lindor 48.0 1994 Carlos Correa 44.2 Not a single position player born from 1981 through 1990 with 70 WAR.
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