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Post by ixnayexxus on Aug 20, 2024 9:25:01 GMT -5
Cubs just released Hector Neris, who many say has been worse than his peripherals, but still...
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Post by bluechip on Aug 20, 2024 9:52:50 GMT -5
Not a single position player born from 1981 through 1990 with 70 WAR. To be fair, Robinson Cano and Miguel Cabrera both ended seasons with 69.6, and 69.8 career WARs before late career slumps pulled down their career totals. One or both might have actually touch 70 mid season before coming down, I haven’t checked that. Freeman seems very likely to get to 70. So that downturn was really from 1984 to 1988. I am not sure if there are similar valleys in other periods, but statistically that seems likely. But yes, I do agree that that current crop lacks the star power of the prior generation that ended with Cabrera, or the subsequent one that started with Trout.
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Post by cdj on Aug 20, 2024 11:53:36 GMT -5
Cubs just released Hector Neris, who many say has been worse than his peripherals, but still... Sure why not at this point
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Post by julyanmorley on Aug 22, 2024 8:25:28 GMT -5
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Post by vermontsox1 on Aug 22, 2024 12:38:00 GMT -5
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Post by ematz1423 on Aug 22, 2024 13:18:26 GMT -5
The Angels gave their GM an extension. Moreno is absolutely clueless.
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Post by asm18 on Aug 22, 2024 13:35:09 GMT -5
I mean is there something Scott Servais has actively done to turn Jerry DiPoto off-season acquisitions Jorge Polanco, Mitch Garver, Mitch Haniger, and Luis Urias into bad players
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Post by ramireja on Aug 22, 2024 13:54:00 GMT -5
I mean is there something Scott Servais has actively done to turn Jerry DiPoto off-season acquisitions Jorge Polanco, Mitch Garver, Mitch Haniger, and Luis Urias into bad players The collective spike in K% for Polanco, Garver, and Urias is kind of insane and doesn't seem random. Not saying it's Servais vs. some other organizational hitting approach thing, but strikes me as odd.
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Post by wanderingdude on Aug 22, 2024 14:05:02 GMT -5
I mean is there something Scott Servais has actively done to turn Jerry DiPoto off-season acquisitions Jorge Polanco, Mitch Garver, Mitch Haniger, and Luis Urias into bad players The collective spike in K% for Polanco, Garver, and Urias is kind of insane and doesn't seem random. Not saying it's Servais vs. some other organizational hitting approach thing, but strikes me as odd. I don’t know if it’s still the case but about a week ago Justin Turner was also striking out a 26% clip with the mariners which is insane for him. Teoscar has talked about the batters eye since leaving and it has to be something with the park.
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Post by julyanmorley on Aug 22, 2024 14:26:17 GMT -5
That park has always increased strikeouts by a lot I think
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Post by badfishnbc on Aug 22, 2024 14:42:23 GMT -5
Yeah, that batter's eye thing is well-documented (people have been complaining about it from a video game standpoint as far back as 7 years ago!). The flip side of it is that it's such a favorable environment for pitchers that I'd be hesitant to expect the same levels of success from one of their pitchers if we were to deal for one in the offseason.
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Post by wanderingdude on Aug 22, 2024 15:06:02 GMT -5
Yeah, that batter's eye thing is well-documented (people have been complaining about it from a video game standpoint as far back as 7 years ago!). The flip side of it is that it's such a favorable environment for pitchers that I'd be hesitant to expect the same levels of success from one of their pitchers if we were to deal for one in the offseason.
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Post by cba82 on Aug 22, 2024 15:07:11 GMT -5
Dom Smith to the Reds.
Fair winds and following seas, Dom. Thank you for your service.
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Post by ematz1423 on Aug 22, 2024 15:09:39 GMT -5
Yeah, that batter's eye thing is well-documented (people have been complaining about it from a video game standpoint as far back as 7 years ago!). The flip side of it is that it's such a favorable environment for pitchers that I'd be hesitant to expect the same levels of success from one of their pitchers if we were to deal for one in the offseason. I'd still take any of Woo, Miller, Castillo and maybe even Hancock as Hancock only has 3 games pitched on the road so that's a SSS but woof that is a bad away ERA. Obviously would like Gilbert or Kirby too but don't want the Sox to pay the price that I'm thinking it would cost in my head to acquire either of them. Woo, Miller and Castillo all seem like they could be acquirable for not too harmful a package. I do need to ask, does anyone know what specifically it is about the batters eye that causes the concerns? Is it just something structurally about how the park was built or is it something they could probably just fix if they so chose to?
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Post by wanderingdude on Aug 22, 2024 15:13:47 GMT -5
I'd still take any of Woo, Miller, Castillo and maybe even Hancock as Hancock only has 3 games pitched on the road so that's a SSS but woof that is a bad away ERA. Obviously would like Gilbert or Kirby too but don't want the Sox to pay the price that I'm thinking it would cost in my head to acquire either of them. Woo, Miller and Castillo all seem like they could be acquirable for not too harmful a package. I do need to ask, does anyone know what specifically it is about the batters eye that causes the concerns? Is it just something structurally about how the park was built or is it something they could probably just fix if they so chose to? Woo is fascinating because he’s been outright dominant and probably their best pitcher, and he’s doing it striking out guys at a considerably less rate compared to last year. He is 10th percentile in Whiffs and 26th percentile in k rate and has a 2.32 expected ERA. He doesn’t walk anyone and has done a tremendous job at limiting hard contact.
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Post by ematz1423 on Aug 22, 2024 15:21:02 GMT -5
I'd still take any of Woo, Miller, Castillo and maybe even Hancock as Hancock only has 3 games pitched on the road so that's a SSS but woof that is a bad away ERA. Obviously would like Gilbert or Kirby too but don't want the Sox to pay the price that I'm thinking it would cost in my head to acquire either of them. Woo, Miller and Castillo all seem like they could be acquirable for not too harmful a package. I do need to ask, does anyone know what specifically it is about the batters eye that causes the concerns? Is it just something structurally about how the park was built or is it something they could probably just fix if they so chose to? Woo is fascinating because he’s been outright dominant and probably their best pitcher, and he’s doing it striking out guys at a considerably less rate compared to last year. He is 10th percentile in Whiffs and 26th percentile in k rate and has a 2.32 expected ERA. He doesn’t walk anyone and has done a tremendous job at limiting hard contact. True, Woo is probably in the same tier as Gilbert/Kirby or close enough that the price on him would probably also be something I would not want to see them do. Pretty crazy how good their pitching staff is even if part of it may or may not have direct correlation to their ballpark.
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Post by James Dunne on Aug 22, 2024 16:55:08 GMT -5
A lot of those are pretty normal home/road splits. Like Logan Gilbert having a 2.53 ERA at home and a 3.38 on the road doesn't make him a "T-mobile merchant."
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Post by thegoodthebadthesox on Aug 22, 2024 17:19:40 GMT -5
A lot of those are pretty normal home/road splits. Like Logan Gilbert having a 2.53 ERA at home and a 3.38 on the road doesn't make him a "T-mobile merchant." The two relievers at the top are really the only ones I look at as being all that extreme
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Post by cba82 on Aug 22, 2024 17:29:45 GMT -5
Jason Heyward DFAd by the Dodgers.
Classy guy, distinguished career, this might be the end of the road for him.
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Post by incandenza on Aug 22, 2024 17:43:02 GMT -5
A lot of those are pretty normal home/road splits. Like Logan Gilbert having a 2.53 ERA at home and a 3.38 on the road doesn't make him a "T-mobile merchant." How about something a little more straightworward?
Mariners home ERA: 2.73, #1 in MLB Mariners road ERA: 4.36, #20 in MLB
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Post by thegoodthebadthesox on Aug 22, 2024 18:04:38 GMT -5
A lot of those are pretty normal home/road splits. Like Logan Gilbert having a 2.53 ERA at home and a 3.38 on the road doesn't make him a "T-mobile merchant." How about something a little more straightworward?
Mariners home ERA: 2.73, #1 in MLB Mariners road ERA: 4.36, #20 in MLB
I'm not trying to be argumentative here, just curious - is that the best home ERA in the MLB and the 20th best road ERA in the MLB, or would their home ERA be #1 relative to the MLB average and the road ERA 20th?
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Post by asm18 on Aug 22, 2024 18:05:01 GMT -5
If Baltimore can move their left field back approximately 900 feet, why can’t Seattle just get a re-design for a more normal batter’s eye
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Post by bentossaurus on Aug 22, 2024 19:22:50 GMT -5
Am I the only one getting a blank post here?
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Post by cdj on Aug 22, 2024 19:29:11 GMT -5
Am I the only one getting a blank post here? Perhaps, I can see it
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Post by bishop on Aug 22, 2024 19:56:22 GMT -5
If Baltimore can move their left field back approximately 900 feet, why can’t Seattle just get a re-design for a more normal batter’s eye I think Safeco also depresses distance hit, but the batter's eye stuff looks like you could even just use some blackout curtains on a couple windows in the center field concourse.
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