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Post by geostorm on Oct 1, 2024 9:06:59 GMT -5
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Oct 1, 2024 9:12:13 GMT -5
Cubs fired 1st Base Coach Mike Napoli. Cubs had a 82.91% stolen base succes rate. That works. Bring Nap back to Boylston Street. Although I can't say I've ever discussed this with anyone, I'm going to suggest that at the major league level, the first base coach has nothing to do with the team's stolen base success rate (unless he's also the baserunning coach or something in a capacity entirely unrelated to coaching first). In MLB, the first base coach is pretty much a glorified coat rack. Maybe an exaggeration but not by much.
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Post by jimmydugan on Oct 1, 2024 9:20:12 GMT -5
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Post by puzzler on Oct 1, 2024 9:33:16 GMT -5
In terms of roster count, trade by a land slide - but I think in terms of where the WAR came from, it's probably closer to even between homegrown and trade.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Oct 1, 2024 9:39:31 GMT -5
In terms of roster count, trade by a land slide - but I think in terms of where the WAR came from, it's probably closer to even between homegrown and trade. And keep in mind "trade" likely includes minor league trades, so that's how guys like Abreu, Hamilton and Wong would count.
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Post by Oregon Norm on Oct 1, 2024 11:11:39 GMT -5
That's the first thing that came to mind, the judicious trades that helped restock the farm: players who worked their way onto the 26-man.
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Post by bellhorndingers21 on Oct 1, 2024 11:48:52 GMT -5
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Post by grandsalami on Oct 1, 2024 11:53:42 GMT -5
Montgomery should opt out after that. Not sure he would feel welcome after the teams owner threw him under the bus liek that
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Post by bellhorndingers21 on Oct 1, 2024 11:59:08 GMT -5
Montgomery should opt out after that. Not sure he would feel welcome after the teams owner threw him under the bus liek that And what, sign a minor league deal? You think he'd get anywhere close to 20 million?
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Post by julyanmorley on Oct 1, 2024 12:00:26 GMT -5
Montgomery should opt out after that. Not sure he would feel welcome after the teams owner threw him under the bus liek that That would appear to be the intended effect of the owner's comment.
Thinking about the alternate universe where we signed Montgomery for 5/100, which most people would have thought was a good deal.
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Post by ematz1423 on Oct 1, 2024 12:06:04 GMT -5
I'd take Montgomery off their hands if they wanted to pay part of that contract, I think with a normal ST there is a real chance he bounces back to being a viable SP. At this point that is probably the most likely scenario after the owner went scorched earth on the contract and the likelihood being very low that Montgomery would walk away from that type of money to sign for 10-20% of that if he's lucky.
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Post by threeifbaerga on Oct 1, 2024 12:19:13 GMT -5
I'm firmly in the camp that Montgomery has not turned into a pumpkin and will bounce back, John Lackey style, next year with a regular off-season and spring training.
I think I'd rather pick up Montgomery at 1/$24 than Pivetta at 1/$20.
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Post by asm18 on Oct 1, 2024 12:30:21 GMT -5
Jesus - he can’t leak unflattering details to local reporters like a normal owner? I can’t recall the last time of an owner singling someone out like that.
It’d be understandable if Montgomery wasn’t as good as last year, but him going from the 2nd best pitcher on a World Series team (against the D’backs!) to one of the worst in baseball was not a reasonable guess. Did Monty’s player option vest? I thought they kept him from getting enough starts for it to vest but not sure?
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Post by ematz1423 on Oct 1, 2024 12:37:50 GMT -5
Jesus - he can’t leak unflattering details to local reporters like a normal owner? I can’t recall the last time of an owner singling someone out like that. It’d be understandable if Montgomery wasn’t as good as last year, but him going from the 2nd best pitcher on a World Series team (against the D’backs!) to one of the worst in baseball was not a reasonable guess. Did Monty’s player option vest? I thought they kept him from getting enough starts for it to vest but not sure? Far as I can tell he had a vesting option that escalated. Assuming he opts in it is a player option that vested at 22.5M with 18 starts made, he made 21.
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Post by incandenza on Oct 1, 2024 12:50:10 GMT -5
So many confusing misdirections here. First, you'd think from Nightengale's wording at the beginning of the tweet that the owner was going to be blaming someone else, but he's actually blaming himself. Except (second) he's blaming "himself" by blaming Montgomery. And but (third) it was actually a totally reasonable signing for that price; he obviously came much cheaper than anyone expected and it just didn't work out this season. Meanwhile, Eduardo Rodriguez gets off scot-free, despite being injured for most of the year, then posting a >5 ERA and even worse xERA (worse than Montgomery's too), and still having 3/60 left on his contract.
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Post by oldfaithful2019 on Oct 1, 2024 12:58:25 GMT -5
So many confusing misdirections here. First, you'd think from Nightengale's wording at the beginning of the tweet that the owner was going to be blaming someone else, but he's actually blaming himself. Except (second) he's blaming "himself" by blaming Montgomery. And but (third) it was actually a totally reasonable signing for that price; he obviously came much cheaper than anyone expected and it just didn't work out this season. Meanwhile, Eduardo Rodriguez gets off scot-free, despite being injured for most of the year, then posting a >5 ERA and even worse xERA (worse than Montgomery's too), and still having 3/60 left on his contract. Eduardo does not have an opt out until 2027. Monty has one now. Perhaps an attempt to influence his decision by making him feel unwelcome ? Last thing Monty needs at this point though is another off season of uncertainty.
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Post by incandenza on Oct 1, 2024 13:01:58 GMT -5
So many confusing misdirections here. First, you'd think from Nightengale's wording at the beginning of the tweet that the owner was going to be blaming someone else, but he's actually blaming himself. Except (second) he's blaming "himself" by blaming Montgomery. And but (third) it was actually a totally reasonable signing for that price; he obviously came much cheaper than anyone expected and it just didn't work out this season. Meanwhile, Eduardo Rodriguez gets off scot-free, despite being injured for most of the year, then posting a >5 ERA and even worse xERA (worse than Montgomery's too), and still having 3/60 left on his contract. Eduardo does not have an opt out until 2027. Monty has one now. Perhaps an attempt to influence his decision by making him feel unwelcome ? Last thing Monty needs at this point though is another off season of uncertainty. That may be what the owner is doing but it seems dumb. a) Montgomery on 1/25 for next season is not the end of the world; he might bounce back. b) It could backfire: what if Montgomery says "screw you then I'm definitely taking your $$."
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Post by badfishnbc on Oct 1, 2024 13:13:12 GMT -5
This has all the makings of Montgomery opting in, and a trade happening that leaves the D-Backs on the hook for only part of the salary. I'd take a potential bounceback year for a C-tier prospect and salary-share arrangement.
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Post by ematz1423 on Oct 1, 2024 13:17:59 GMT -5
This has all the makings of Montgomery opting in, and a trade happening that leaves the D-Backs on the hook for only part of the salary. I'd take a potential bounceback year for a C-tier prospect and salary-share arrangement. This is what I'm thinking as well. I'd probably try and go down other avenues first if I'm the sox but if they strikeout on their main SP targets I'd circle back on Montgomery.
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Post by julyanmorley on Oct 1, 2024 13:42:58 GMT -5
Jesus - he can’t leak unflattering details to local reporters like a normal owner? I can’t recall the last time of an owner singling someone out like that. It’d be understandable if Montgomery wasn’t as good as last year, but him going from the 2nd best pitcher on a World Series team (against the D’backs!) to one of the worst in baseball was not a reasonable guess. Did Monty’s player option vest? I thought they kept him from getting enough starts for it to vest but not sure? Yeah it is pretty weird how he was a horse that a team won a for real World Series off the back of, then the rest of the league immediately had next to no interest. If this was fiction then the front office eggheads would be punished for their hubris and Montgomery would continue pitching great but no, he was even worse than everyone thought. It also speaks to the uniformity of thought in the league that not one team wanted to sign him to a better deal. As for the Sox, I think I’d rather have Priester on the mound at this point, and he’s unlikely to make the opening day rotation.
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Post by oldfaithful2019 on Oct 1, 2024 13:59:30 GMT -5
Eduardo does not have an opt out until 2027. Monty has one now. Perhaps an attempt to influence his decision by making him feel unwelcome ? Last thing Monty needs at this point though is another off season of uncertainty. That may be what the owner is doing but it seems dumb. a) Montgomery on 1/25 for next season is not the end of the world; he might bounce back. b) It could backfire: what if Montgomery says "screw you then I'm definitely taking your $$." Yup, his statement was dumb and most likely an emotional reaction to missing post season.
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Post by dirtdog on Oct 1, 2024 16:33:56 GMT -5
This guy has a little George Steinbrenner in him. I don't have a problem with it. Obviously he is doing this at least partly in hopes Monty moves on. Also I like the fact that he owns his mistakes and sounds like he actually cares about winning.
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Post by ephus on Oct 1, 2024 17:04:59 GMT -5
Cubs fired 1st Base Coach Mike Napoli. Cubs had a 82.91% stolen base succes rate. That works. Bring Nap back to Boylston Street. Although I can't say I've ever discussed this with anyone, I'm going to suggest that at the major league level, the first base coach has nothing to do with the team's stolen base success rate (unless he's also the baserunning coach or something in a capacity entirely unrelated to coaching first). In MLB, the first base coach is pretty much a glorified coat rack. Maybe an exaggeration but not by much. Man, I hope Lynn Jones, Luis Alicea, Arnie Beyler and Tom Goodwin don't see this because you may see a glorified coat rack where I see a champion.
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Post by bentossaurus on Oct 2, 2024 3:45:31 GMT -5
4.45 3.93 3.43 4.01 4.67
These are not random numbers, these are Montgomery's xFIP numbers for every year he's been in the league (min: 50IP).
Why people see him as an ace and wanted (want?) to sign him to a premium contract is beyond me. He's also turning 32 this year.
The entire league, bar the Dbacks, pegged him right last offseason.
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Post by julyanmorley on Oct 2, 2024 11:36:22 GMT -5
Diamond Sports is officially ending their deals with the Cards, Reds, Tigers, Royals, Angels, Marlins, Rays, Brewers, Guardians, Twins and Rangers. I think those teams were getting somewhere between 80 and 100% of the money they were owned from their Diamond deals and now have to find something else.
Cards and Twins have already begun to warn their fans that spending is going down
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