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4/23-4/25 Red Sox @ Guardians Series Thread
radiohix
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Post by radiohix on Apr 24, 2024 14:02:49 GMT -5
Breslow is a genius! Getting all the injuries clustered for the beginning of the season and then it’s a smooth sealing to the playoffs when all the other teams are having their star players hitting the IL left and right.
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Post by rhswanzey on Apr 24, 2024 14:07:07 GMT -5
What is going to happen to the outfield, and maybe even during this trade deadline is going to be one of the more fascinating things for me to watch. I still am on high alert for them to sell on Duran, i don’t think he’s the cleanest fit for this roster moving forward while also carrying a lot of trade value. I understand selling high in general has its appeal, but trading Duran right now seems insane to me.
He's finally playing good defense, he's improved his BB% and cut his K%. He's shown positive adjustments at every level. He's dynamic, athletic, young and cheap.
For a team that isn't ready to go all-in yet, that's exactly the kind of player you want to keep around.
+1, Duran is one of our best players… I want to specifically add that he’s 10 for 26 with 5 BB and 7 K against LHP so far this year, and if you go back to the beginning of 2023, it’s 23 for 71 with 8 BB and 22 K. Being overwhelmingly left handed is for sure a roster build/synergy concern, but with Duran specifically, he is no longer a player we have to shield from LHP. He doesn’t have to have a caddy.
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Post by alexcorahomevideo on Apr 24, 2024 14:07:20 GMT -5
At this point you just have to laugh at Bello getting hurt. Literally every single foundational piece on the MLB other than Rafaella and maybe Duran are now hurt. If this team is not 10 games under by mid June it will be a big accomplishment.
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Post by asm18 on Apr 24, 2024 14:07:59 GMT -5
Breslow is a genius! Getting all the injuries clustered for the beginning of the season and then it’s a smooth sealing to the playoffs when all the other teams are having their star players hitting the IL left and right. " And there is Craig Breslow's medical background"
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Post by keninten on Apr 24, 2024 14:15:10 GMT -5
At this point you just have to laugh at Bello getting hurt. Literally every single foundational piece on the MLB other than Rafaella and maybe Duran are now hurt. If this team is not 10 games under by mid June it will be a big accomplishment. I wish you hadn`t said that about Rafaela and Duran.
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Post by alexcorahomevideo on Apr 24, 2024 14:16:28 GMT -5
At this point you just have to laugh at Bello getting hurt. Literally every single foundational piece on the MLB other than Rafaella and maybe Duran are now hurt. If this team is not 10 games under by mid June it will be a big accomplishment. I wish you hadn`t said that about Rafaela and Duran. Yeah...sorry I put that out there
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Post by ematz1423 on Apr 24, 2024 14:18:52 GMT -5
I understand selling high in general has its appeal, but trading Duran right now seems insane to me.
He's finally playing good defense, he's improved his BB% and cut his K%. He's shown positive adjustments at every level. He's dynamic, athletic, young and cheap.
For a team that isn't ready to go all-in yet, that's exactly the kind of player you want to keep around.
+1, Duran is one of our best players… I want to specifically add that he’s 10 for 26 with 5 BB and 7 K against LHP so far this year, and if you go back to the beginning of 2023, it’s 23 for 71 with 8 BB and 22 K. Being overwhelmingly left handed is for sure a roster build/synergy concern, but with Duran specifically, he is no longer a player we have to shield from LHP. He doesn’t have to have a caddy. I'm not angling to deal Duran but I can see his rationale, in the right deal I would certainly make him available. What that deal might be, I couldn't say. Perhaps a deal for a RHH OF of similar control/ability just to balance out the lineup.
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Post by carl4sox on Apr 24, 2024 14:23:21 GMT -5
No way. Duran is our sparkplug, especially with Rafaela at shortstop. The outfield is great. The pitching is great. The catchers are very good.
Just fix the infield.
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Post by grandsalami on Apr 24, 2024 14:36:32 GMT -5
this team is literally cursed
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Post by dirtywaterinla on Apr 24, 2024 14:39:07 GMT -5
Pivetta is supposed to be back in the rotation this next turn, no? If so, that at least prevents calling up more AAA pitching help.
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Post by thegoodthebadthesox on Apr 24, 2024 14:39:45 GMT -5
Not that this is the time for any trade discussion, but if the deadline came around and things weren't better from a health perspective/still on a good track competitiveness-wise, the only logical sell candidates IMO are O'Neill, Martin, and Jansen. '
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Post by dirtywaterinla on Apr 24, 2024 14:40:21 GMT -5
+1, Duran is one of our best players… I want to specifically add that he’s 10 for 26 with 5 BB and 7 K against LHP so far this year, and if you go back to the beginning of 2023, it’s 23 for 71 with 8 BB and 22 K. Being overwhelmingly left handed is for sure a roster build/synergy concern, but with Duran specifically, he is no longer a player we have to shield from LHP. He doesn’t have to have a caddy. I'm not angling to deal Duran but I can see his rationale, in the right deal I would certainly make him available. What that deal might be, I couldn't say. Perhaps a deal for a RHH OF of similar control/ability just to balance out the lineup. Did O’Neill & Refsynder die? EDIT: Given the way the injuries have been piling up, entirely possible they might 💀
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Post by ericmvan on Apr 24, 2024 14:40:38 GMT -5
Justin Slaten has (so far) 3 plus pitches, which is to say, he has starter's stuff, and quite possibly good starter's stuff. He's thrown 34 pitches twice. Stretching him out is a no-brainer.
Meanwhile, Fitts had a great outing a week ago and just had his worst one pitching at 11 AM on six days rest. I'd throw our that outing while projecting him. He'll be here sooner than later.
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Post by dirtywaterinla on Apr 24, 2024 14:43:01 GMT -5
Justin Slaten has (so far) 3 plus pitches, which is to say, he has starter's stuff, and quite possibly good starter's stuffHe's thrown 34 pitches twice. Stretching him out is a no-brainer.
Meanwhile, Fitts had a great outing a week ago and just had his worst one pitching at 11 AM on six days rest. I'd throw our that outing while projecting him. He'll be here sooner than later.
Interesting thought about Slaten starting. Tough call seeing he’s arguably been the most reliable arm out of the ‘pen.
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Post by dirtywaterinla on Apr 24, 2024 14:47:39 GMT -5
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Post by ematz1423 on Apr 24, 2024 14:54:18 GMT -5
I'm not angling to deal Duran but I can see his rationale, in the right deal I would certainly make him available. What that deal might be, I couldn't say. Perhaps a deal for a RHH OF of similar control/ability just to balance out the lineup. Did O’Neill & Refsynder die? EDIT: Given the way the injuries have been piling up, entirely possible they might 💀 My apologies, I'm not saying they should really entertain a Duran trade in-season. I meant after the season is over, especially if Anthony is ready. However even if he Anthony is ready they can certainly figure it out if their OF consists of some combo of Duran/Abreu/Rafaela/Anthony. I should have put it another way, I wouldn't trade Duran just for the sake of trading him to break up the LHH OF issue but I am also of the mindset that no player should really be off limits in trade talks.
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Post by notstarboard on Apr 24, 2024 14:55:28 GMT -5
Per Cora, Raffy playing 3B tomorrow and Yoshida will be back in at DH. He's only not playing tonight because Devers has the DH spot. I am legitimately mad about him sitting Yoshida again. If Masa is healthy it is a no-brainer to play him in LF and put Rob at 1B. It is absolute madness to sit Yoshida and put Dalbec at 1B when you could put Refsnyder there. I don't care if Refsnyder lacks experience there. He came up as an infielder and about 12% of his major league starts have been at 1B. This lineup cannot take having one of these productive OFs on the bench for Dalbec to go 0-4 with 3 Ks. Adequate 1B defense is not worth a black hole in the lineup, especially when Refsnyder can probably give you adequate.
If it turns out that Masa is nursing an injury I will be less mad, but Cora is still a moron for repeatedly saying that he's fine.
At least the lineup today is just "normal bad" and less patently ridiculous once we accept the 9 guys who are in it. The only real issues are hitting TON 3rd and stacking all of the righties at the end of the lineup. I'd slide Valdez down to 6 or 7 to improve the L/R balance, then put TON at 5 and Wong at 3 to maximize the value from TON while still keeping reasonable L/R balance at the top of the order.
Cora should have been ruled out for this job from the first trash can bang, but here we are in 2024 still dealing with his poor tactics and having to watch poor fundamental baseball on a nightly basis. /rant
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Post by asm18 on Apr 24, 2024 15:00:05 GMT -5
Per Cora, Raffy playing 3B tomorrow and Yoshida will be back in at DH. He's only not playing tonight because Devers has the DH spot. I am legitimately mad about him sitting Yoshida again. If Masa is healthy it is a no-brainer to play him in LF and put Rob at 1B. It is absolute madness to sit Yoshida and put Dalbec at 1B when you could put Refsnyder there. I don't care if Refsnyder lacks experience there. He came up as an infielder and about 12% of his major league starts have been at 1B. This lineup cannot take having one of these productive OFs on the bench for Dalbec to go 0-4 with 3 Ks. Adequate 1B defense is not worth a black hole in the lineup, especially when Refsnyder can probably give you adequate.
If it turns out that Masa is nursing an injury I will be less mad, but Cora is still a moron for repeatedly saying that he's fine. But Refsnyder's not playing either though. Outfield tonight is O'Neill, Duran, Abreu - which is perfectly reasonable. It's not a Yoshida injury they're worried about - they don't want Devers' knee to explode. So Raffy's DH'ing, which leaves Masa on the bench at the moment. I think it's less a Yoshida thing and more a testament to the other outfielders/Devers injury management.
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Post by wamderingdude on Apr 24, 2024 15:00:58 GMT -5
Did O’Neill & Refsynder die? EDIT: Given the way the injuries have been piling up, entirely possible they might 💀 My apologies, I'm not saying they should really entertain a Duran trade in-season. I meant after the season is over, especially if Anthony is ready. However even if he Anthony is ready they can certainly figure it out if their OF consists of some combo of Duran/Abreu/Rafaela/Anthony. I should have put it another way, I wouldn't trade Duran just for the sake of trading him to break up the LHH OF issue but I am also of the mindset that no player should really be off limits in trade talks. This was probably the wrong thread to start this conversation so i’ll stop after this one and apologies. But my overall thinking was more long term thinking than this year. Trading Duran this deadline would obviously hurt the team tremendously this year, but if they are focused on the long term i would completely get why they would want to do it. My fear is they go into a year with to many outfielders and abreu or Duran get relegated to partial playing time and we lose out on potential to add impact players in a trade involving them. I don’t think it’s likely he gets dealt, but i think it’s a real possibility.
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Post by okin15 on Apr 24, 2024 15:08:32 GMT -5
...not really ever a witch hunt guy but do we have a training staff/conditioning issue or something Is there any chance the plan to throw off their breaking pitches rather than their fastballs is part of the reason for this?
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Post by notstarboard on Apr 24, 2024 15:16:00 GMT -5
I am legitimately mad about him sitting Yoshida again. If Masa is healthy it is a no-brainer to play him in LF and put Rob at 1B. It is absolute madness to sit Yoshida and put Dalbec at 1B when you could put Refsnyder there. I don't care if Refsnyder lacks experience there. He came up as an infielder and about 12% of his major league starts have been at 1B. This lineup cannot take having one of these productive OFs on the bench for Dalbec to go 0-4 with 3 Ks. Adequate 1B defense is not worth a black hole in the lineup, especially when Refsnyder can probably give you adequate.
If it turns out that Masa is nursing an injury I will be less mad, but Cora is still a moron for repeatedly saying that he's fine. But Refsnyder's not playing either though. Outfield tonight is O'Neill, Duran, Abreu - which is perfectly reasonable. It's not a Yoshida injury they're worried about - they don't want Devers' knee to explode. So Raffy's DH'ing, which leaves Masa on the bench at the moment. I think it's less a Yoshida thing and more a testament to the other outfielders/Devers injury management. If Devers can't handle playing 3B, he should be sitting. He has been trying to gut it out all year and has been repeatedly reinjuring himself. I don't know the specifics of his knee injury, but hitting and running the bases should put similar stress on the knee to playing 3B, albeit in a smaller dose.
Even if they insist on making the wrong decision with Devers and sitting Yoshida, under no circumstances should Refsnyder be sitting while Dalbec is in the starting lineup. Dalbec should be off of the MLB roster the second transactions and 40-man health allow, and he should be used as a pure backup in the meantime.
Edit: And injured Devers vs. Yoshida is arguably a side-grade with the bat, so why play the guy who's gimpy and at risk of reinjury? The real benefit of getting Devers back is being able to sit Reyes. Until we can do that, there's little point.
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Post by scottysmalls on Apr 24, 2024 15:24:38 GMT -5
So Cora is saying Yoshida is the everyday DH and they just needed the spot for Devers and O’Neill the last couple days, okay, maybe, but:
1) Why start Heinemen on Sunday when this was a likelihood? Just to be nice to him?
2) Why not play Refsnyder at first yesterday? Is the defensive downgrade from Dalbec to Ref at first and Ref to Yoshida in left really worth the offensive downgrade from Yoshida to Dalbec against a righty? I find that hard to buy.
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Post by dirtywaterinla on Apr 24, 2024 15:49:19 GMT -5
So Cora is saying Yoshida is the everyday DH and they just needed the spot for Devers and O’Neill the last couple days, okay, maybe, but: 1) Why start Heinemen on Sunday when this was a likelihood? Just to be nice to him? 2) Why not play Refsnyder at first yesterday? Is the defensive downgrade from Dalbec to Ref at first and Ref to Yoshida in left really worth the offensive downgrade from Yoshida to Dalbec against a righty? I find that hard to buy. I’m convinced they just don’t want to start Masa in LF at parks where the field of play is too cavernous. But even saying this, you would think they would’ve started him at least in one game in LF @ Fenway…
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Post by dirtywaterinla on Apr 24, 2024 15:50:56 GMT -5
But Refsnyder's not playing either though. Outfield tonight is O'Neill, Duran, Abreu - which is perfectly reasonable. It's not a Yoshida injury they're worried about - they don't want Devers' knee to explode. So Raffy's DH'ing, which leaves Masa on the bench at the moment. I think it's less a Yoshida thing and more a testament to the other outfielders/Devers injury management. If Devers can't handle playing 3B, he should be sitting. He has been trying to gut it out all year and has been repeatedly reinjuring himself. I don't know the specifics of his knee injury, but hitting and running the bases should put similar stress on the knee to playing 3B, albeit in a smaller dose.
Even if they insist on making the wrong decision with Devers and sitting Yoshida, under no circumstances should Refsnyder be sitting while Dalbec is in the starting lineup. Dalbec should be off of the MLB roster the second transactions and 40-man health allow, and he should be used as a pure backup in the meantime.
Edit: And injured Devers vs. Yoshida is arguably a side-grade with the bat, so why play the guy who's gimpy and at risk of reinjury? The real benefit of getting Devers back is being able to sit Reyes. Until we can do that, there's little point.
As someone who has been playing baseball again after a decade long hiatus, I will say that playing in the field vs running the bases is very different movement wise especially with the lower half.
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Post by wildsox on Apr 24, 2024 15:54:05 GMT -5
They said Pivetta was only going to be out 10 days as well
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