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Post by 1toolplayer on Apr 25, 2024 10:23:36 GMT -5
Yeah this is really weird at this point. Devers being at DH I at least get if his knee is still bothering him, but not sure why you couldn't just start Yoshida in left and have Refsnyder come in defensively later... Pablo Reyes has a .422 OPS. Bobby Dalbec has a .206 OPS and they’re both playing today rather than having Yoshida in. Absolutely inexcusable Masa plays the corner IF now?
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Post by bg23 on Apr 25, 2024 10:26:44 GMT -5
Pablo Reyes has a .422 OPS. Bobby Dalbec has a .206 OPS and they’re both playing today rather than having Yoshida in. Absolutely inexcusable Masa plays the corner IF now? Refsnyder can play first. Seems like a pretty easy swap.
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Post by asm18 on Apr 25, 2024 10:27:20 GMT -5
Kinda wondering about this point by Ed. Before Opening Day, Cora said of Yoshida: “He’s in a good spot. He finished strong in spring training. I had a conversation with him not too long ago. And I basically said, ‘You’re a freaking good hitter, man. You’ve done it all your career. Hit it in the air, hit it on a line, hit hard ground balls. Go hit .320.’” I can't fathom that he suddenly has it out for the guy after 4 weeks.
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Post by 1toolplayer on Apr 25, 2024 10:28:35 GMT -5
Masa plays the corner IF now? Refsnyder can play first. Seems like a pretty easy swap. Ref at 1st and Masa in LF is a possibility- but an easy swap?
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Post by wanderingdude on Apr 25, 2024 10:32:15 GMT -5
Breslow being a pitching guy seemingly really values defense, and the Red Sox are starting a guy who doesn’t strike people out and succeeds on getting weak balls put in play. I think it’s very easy to see why they don’t want to downgrade two defensive positions. They have won this year by not allowing runs, and are leaning into it.
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Post by 1toolplayer on Apr 25, 2024 10:33:53 GMT -5
Breslow being a pitching guy seemingly really values defense, and the Red Sox are starting a guy who doesn’t strike people out and succeeds on getting weak balls put in play. I think it’s very easy to see why they don’t want to downgrade two defensive positions. They have won this year by not allowing runs, and are leaning into it. This is exactly it.
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Post by bg23 on Apr 25, 2024 10:34:45 GMT -5
Refsnyder can play first. Seems like a pretty easy swap. Ref at 1st and Masa in LF is a possibility- but an easy swap? Masa has played the majority of his MLB games in left, and Ref has ~80 career MLB games in the infield including nearly 40 at first. He also got work at first during his rehab assignment. So to me that seems like a pretty easy swap to get some better bats in the lineup.
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Post by patford on Apr 25, 2024 10:35:09 GMT -5
Glad to see Dalbec at 1B. It'll pay off. He's overdue and the best current option.
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Post by asm18 on Apr 25, 2024 10:38:32 GMT -5
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Post by dcsoxfan15 on Apr 25, 2024 10:41:50 GMT -5
Breslow being a pitching guy seemingly really values defense, and the Red Sox are starting a guy who doesn’t strike people out and succeeds on getting weak balls put in play. I think it’s very easy to see why they don’t want to downgrade two defensive positions. They have won this year by not allowing runs, and are leaning into it. This would be a better argument if Reyes weren’t one of the worst defenders in baseball!
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Post by 1toolplayer on Apr 25, 2024 10:43:52 GMT -5
Ref at 1st and Masa in LF is a possibility- but an easy swap? Masa has played the majority of his MLB games in left, and Ref has ~80 career MLB games in the infield including nearly 40 at first. He also got work at first during his rehab assignment. So to me that seems like a pretty easy swap to get some better bats in the lineup. Ok, so who plays 3rd? It a better bat in the lineup, not bat(s), and I don't think they think an IF of Reyes-Raffa-Hamilton-Ref and an OF of Masa Duran Abreu is a good enough defensive alignment, with a bullpen game and contact oriented lineup and I'm surprised you do to
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Post by dcsoxfan15 on Apr 25, 2024 10:46:37 GMT -5
Masa has played the majority of his MLB games in left, and Ref has ~80 career MLB games in the infield including nearly 40 at first. He also got work at first during his rehab assignment. So to me that seems like a pretty easy swap to get some better bats in the lineup. Ok, so who plays 3rd? It a better bat in the lineup, not bat(s), and I don't think they think an IF of Reyes-Raffa-Hamilton-Ref and an OF of Masa Duran Abreu is a good enough defensive alignment, with a bullpen game and contact oriented lineup and I'm surprised you do to This is really easy. Duran - CF Devers - DH Refsynder - 1B Abreu - RF Masa - LF Dalbec - 3B McGuire - C Valdez - 2B Rafaela - SS
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Post by asm18 on Apr 25, 2024 10:53:30 GMT -5
Ok, so who plays 3rd? It a better bat in the lineup, not bat(s), and I don't think they think an IF of Reyes-Raffa-Hamilton-Ref and an OF of Masa Duran Abreu is a good enough defensive alignment, with a bullpen game and contact oriented lineup and I'm surprised you do to This is really easy. Duran - CF Devers - DH Refsynder - 1B Abreu - RF Masa - LF Dalbec - 3B McGuire - C Valdez - 2B Rafaela - SS I would be fine with this lineup, but the counter-argument would be you have a DH in left field & someone re-learning first base out there with uh.... Chase Anderson pitching. Like I don't think this is an easy no-brainer decision, even if I personally wish they would at least try those guys there.
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Post by nomar on Apr 25, 2024 10:53:56 GMT -5
McKenzie has been a walk machine so hopefully they put in good at bats today and see some pitches. This isn’t a “do damage” type of lineup anyway. Get to their bullpen early
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Post by 1toolplayer on Apr 25, 2024 10:54:06 GMT -5
Ok, so who plays 3rd? It a better bat in the lineup, not bat(s), and I don't think they think an IF of Reyes-Raffa-Hamilton-Ref and an OF of Masa Duran Abreu is a good enough defensive alignment, with a bullpen game and contact oriented lineup and I'm surprised you do to This is really easy. Duran - CF Devers - DH Refsynder - 1B Abreu - RF Masa - LF Dalbec - 3B McGuire - C Valdez - 2B Rafaela - SS Wait, now you want Bobby to play?
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Post by wanderingdude on Apr 25, 2024 10:54:44 GMT -5
Breslow being a pitching guy seemingly really values defense, and the Red Sox are starting a guy who doesn’t strike people out and succeeds on getting weak balls put in play. I think it’s very easy to see why they don’t want to downgrade two defensive positions. They have won this year by not allowing runs, and are leaning into it. This would be a better argument if Reyes weren’t one of the worst defenders in baseball! Well the other we have legitimately one of the worst defenders in the sport in left and a guy playing first who last played the position in a professional game four years ago. I’d much rather have Reyes play third than yoshida in left and Refsnyder at first.
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Post by Smittyw on Apr 25, 2024 10:59:46 GMT -5
Sorry guys, I can't summon the strength to be mad about not seeing Yoshida in the field. I just can't do it.
Until this club gets reinforcements, no lineup is going to look anywhere close to ideal.
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Post by incandenza on Apr 25, 2024 11:01:58 GMT -5
Seeing how much they hate Yoshida's fielding I guess there wasn't a lot to those offseason Jorge Soler rumors Or there was more to those offseason Yoshida trade rumors than we might have thought.
Reporters keep hinting that there are upper-level decisions being made about certain things, like playing Hamilton over Rafaela at short and like Yoshida not playing in the field. I'm now wondering if Cora's pissiness and frustration is actually because he's being told he can't play Yoshida in LF even if he wants to. Whatever his faults, he's not a manager who's typically liable to bury a guy for no reason.
Though I guess this still doesn't explain Heineman getting that start over Yoshida.
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Post by thegoodthebadthesox on Apr 25, 2024 11:02:00 GMT -5
The argument has never been that he can't play shortstop. The scouting consensus is that he's merely above average at SS, but an elite, borderline 80-tier defensive CF. If the bat comes around no one will question him at SS, but he hasn't shown nearly enough with the bat for above average defense at SS to cut it; he has earned every bit of his -0.6 fWAR thus far, mostly due to his offensive limitations.
Until recently the Sox did not have enough healthy outfielders to obligate a Rafaela move to the infield, so this was actually a talking point. Now with 5 healthy OFs, a threadbare IF, and Yoshida already being benched excessively there's no decision to be made. Even if he's replacement level, he's clearly the best man for the job defensively and the Sox need to get their OF bats in the lineup. I think you are seeing what you want to see. Last year there were several comments that given reps he's also a gold glove caliber shortstop. He made tons of great plays at shortstop in the minors and his range is such that he'll make better defenders out of the third baseman, second baseman and left fielder because they can all move a step or two away. I honestly think you are trying to justify a horrible take. Look in general I agree with you that the takes on Rafaela’s shortstop defense weren’t great. On the other hand, accusatory comments that people are seeing what they want to see with Rafaela are EXTREMELY ironic coming from you.
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Post by dcsoxfan15 on Apr 25, 2024 11:04:07 GMT -5
This is really easy. Duran - CF Devers - DH Refsynder - 1B Abreu - RF Masa - LF Dalbec - 3B McGuire - C Valdez - 2B Rafaela - SS I would be fine with this lineup, but the counter-argument would be you have a DH in left field & someone re-learning first base out there with uh.... Chase Anderson pitching. Like I don't think this is an easy no-brainer decision, even if I personally wish they would at least try those guys there. The lineup has been wildly inconsistent, putting out Reyes and Dalbec every day isn’t helping that. I’ll take Dalbec for today because his defense has been pretty solid at third.
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Post by dcsoxfan15 on Apr 25, 2024 11:04:55 GMT -5
This is really easy. Duran - CF Devers - DH Refsynder - 1B Abreu - RF Masa - LF Dalbec - 3B McGuire - C Valdez - 2B Rafaela - SS Wait, now you want Bobby to play? No, but his 3B defense has been far better than Reyes and I’ll take that with Yoshida playing left. Left field defense may be the least important thing in the world, but third is a different story.
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Post by GyIantosca on Apr 25, 2024 11:09:08 GMT -5
I knew it. I knew it. You can not have a full time Yoshida dh.
Try to build his value pay 50% , good bye
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Post by GyIantosca on Apr 25, 2024 11:10:57 GMT -5
Sorry guys, I can't summon the strength to be mad about not seeing Yoshida in the field. I just can't do it. Until this club gets reinforcements, no lineup is going to look anywhere close to ideal. On point .
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Post by nomar on Apr 25, 2024 11:13:43 GMT -5
You guys just don’t see the Yoshida salary dump for Garrett Cooper vision that Craig does. Yoshida and Suzuki get united, the Cubs get an OF to replace Bellinger (IL), the Red Sox get out of a contract they don’t want and off of the Dalbec ride. Every day a Red Sox player plays, they face a 25% chance of losing a limb. We need Mass safe.
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Post by dirtywaterinla on Apr 25, 2024 11:18:15 GMT -5
You guys just don’t see the Yoshida salary dump for Garrett Cooper vision that Craig does. Yoshida and Suzuki get united, the Cubs get an OF to replace Bellinger (IL), the Red Sox get out of a contract they don’t want and off of the Dalbec ride. Every day a Red Sox player plays, they face a 25% chance of losing a limb. We need Mass safe. Oh hmmmm — wouldn’t hate this if the Cubs ate half of the salary. Excellent overall point seeing Bellinger is out long term.
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