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Post by dirtywaterinla on Apr 25, 2024 11:19:48 GMT -5
This whole Masa saga is just fascinating to me. I genuinely believe the staff and FO simply have given up on him. This is all just too weird.
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Post by kevfc89 on Apr 25, 2024 11:22:59 GMT -5
For a while they allowed Hamilton day after day to fart around at SS but Yoshida can never play left field?
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Post by wanderingdude on Apr 25, 2024 11:26:37 GMT -5
For a while they allowed Hamilton day after day to fart around at SS but Yoshida can never play left field? They have better left fielders than yoshida that are playing. They were hesitant to play Rafaela at short and didn’t have anyone better than Hamilton.
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Post by nomar on Apr 25, 2024 11:28:32 GMT -5
For a while they allowed Hamilton day after day to fart around at SS but Yoshida can never play left field? Yeah nothing quite adds up IMO. Maybe we have ourselves an Ime Udoka situation lol
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Post by costpet on Apr 25, 2024 11:30:10 GMT -5
If the Sox get tired of Dalbec's 3k games, like every other day, why not elevate Niko Kavades? I know he's not on the 40, but he's off to another great season. I have no idea about his defense, but he can hit the ball and has been doing it throughout his minor league career. I noticed he's not in our top 60 either. Why not?
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Post by wanderingdude on Apr 25, 2024 11:32:59 GMT -5
If the Sox get tired of Dalbec's 3k games, like every other day, why not elevate Niko Kavades? I know he's not on the 40, but he's off to another great season. I have no idea about his defense, but he can hit the ball and has been doing it throughout his minor league career. I noticed he's not in our top 60 either. Why not? Best guess is they are just trying to survive until the May 1st opt outs in which case they will make an outside addition. It wouldn’t make sense to add Kavadas to the 40 man just to DFA him a week later.
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Post by incandenza on Apr 25, 2024 11:35:02 GMT -5
Aside from everything else, I appreciate Cora's comedic timing in making a big show of his frustration at being challenged on why Yoshida wasn't playing, acting like it was absurd to question him on it, guaranteeing that he'd be the DH in the next game, and then... sitting him again.
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Post by dirtywaterinla on Apr 25, 2024 11:35:50 GMT -5
If the Sox get tired of Dalbec's 3k games, like every other day, why not elevate Niko Kavades? I know he's not on the 40, but he's off to another great season. I have no idea about his defense, but he can hit the ball and has been doing it throughout his minor league career. I noticed he's not in our top 60 either. Why not? The fact he’s not in the top 60 should be indicative of how he’s not a legitimate MLB option at this point. And yes, defense is not good.
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Post by dirtywaterinla on Apr 25, 2024 11:45:19 GMT -5
This whole Masa saga is just fascinating to me. I genuinely believe the staff and FO simply have given up on him. This is all just too weird. Devers is too important to the Red Sox to risk having him missing from the lineup, and right now, if making him the DH keeps him in the lineup and off the DL list, then Yoshida rides the pine. But why can’t he be in LF? It’s not like he’s incompetent out there…
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Post by incandenza on Apr 25, 2024 11:45:25 GMT -5
...and another thing. Suppose they are just down on Yoshida for whatever reason. If you simply looked at his stats to-date without acknowledging the possibility of the common theory (advanced by Yoshida and Cora themselves, among others) that he wore down late last season, then maybe you'd be pessimistic about his potential. But you have to give him a *chance* to prove himself, don't you? And don't we regularly hear that some guys need regular ABs to stay start? Was Cora himself saying that about Abreu just recently? (Though maybe it was just a reporter saying that.) But here they're giving Yoshida so much time off that it might screw him up - just when he had gotten on a hot streak in the last week or so.
It's just impossible to believe that a team that has given Dalbec this much run at the plate, and gave Hamilton as much run as it did at SS, finds the thought of Yoshida in LF so sub-optimal that it simply can't be entertained. Here is the *ideal* time to put him out there. And they're just not doing it.
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Post by melvinhoggs on Apr 25, 2024 11:46:11 GMT -5
This whole Masa saga is just fascinating to me. I genuinely believe the staff and FO simply have given up on him. This is all just too weird. Devers is too important to the Red Sox to risk having him missing from the lineup, and right now, if making him the DH keeps him in the lineup and off the DL list, then Yoshida rides the pine. Nobody's arguing playing Yoshida over Devers at DH.
I'm pretty low on Yoshida, but this is a lineup with Reyes, Dalbec and Hamilton in it – it would be hard to be that low on Yoshida that you wouldn't find a way to get him in the lineup over those guys.
Especially on a day where O'Neill is sitting AND it's a RH pitcher for CLE.
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Post by yazman67 on Apr 25, 2024 11:47:11 GMT -5
Could they be close to trading Masa and they are keeping him out of the lineup so he doesn’t get hurt? It’s the only thing that makes any sense at this point. I can’t imagine a trade partner unless we are eating a big chunk of his salary which is not this ownerships MO! Time will tell!
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Post by Soxfansince1971 on Apr 25, 2024 11:47:34 GMT -5
Yeah this is really weird at this point. Devers being at DH I at least get if his knee is still bothering him, but not sure why you couldn't just start Yoshida in left and have Refsnyder come in defensively later... Pablo Reyes has a .422 OPS. Bobby Dalbec has a .206 OPS and they’re both playing today rather than having Yoshida in. Absolutely inexcusable Are you suggesting Yoshida play 1st or 3rd replacing Dalbec and Reyes?
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Post by ematz1423 on Apr 25, 2024 11:49:29 GMT -5
Could they be close to trading Masa and they are keeping him out of the lineup so he doesn’t get hurt? It’s the only thing that makes any sense at this point. I can’t imagine a trade partner unless we are eating a big chunk of his salary which is not this ownerships MO! Time will tell! How is eating salary not in ownerships MO? They just ate all of Sale's salary to bring back Grissom.
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Post by dcsoxfan15 on Apr 25, 2024 11:50:24 GMT -5
Pablo Reyes has a .422 OPS. Bobby Dalbec has a .206 OPS and they’re both playing today rather than having Yoshida in. Absolutely inexcusable Are you suggesting Yoshida play 1st or 3rd replacing Dalbec and Reyes? No, as has been explained in multiple other posts, Refsnyder can play 1st, Masa to left, and Bobby to 3rd. Really not a hard switch
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Post by notstarboard on Apr 25, 2024 11:51:24 GMT -5
This is really easy. Duran - CF Devers - DH Refsynder - 1B Abreu - RF Masa - LF Dalbec - 3B McGuire - C Valdez - 2B Rafaela - SS I would be fine with this lineup, but the counter-argument would be you have a DH in left field & someone re-learning first base out there with uh.... Chase Anderson pitching. Like I don't think this is an easy no-brainer decision, even if I personally wish they would at least try those guys there. Marginal downgrades at two corner positions are not more important than the delta between Yoshida's bat and Reyes' bat. And this also means playing Devers when he's not 100% despite that having aready backfired twice this season.
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Post by dirtywaterinla on Apr 25, 2024 11:51:55 GMT -5
...and another thing. Suppose they are just down on Yoshida for whatever reason. If you simply looked at his stats to-date without acknowledging the possibility of the common theory (advanced by Yoshida and Cora themselves, among others) that he wore down late last season, then maybe you'd be pessimistic about his potential. But you have to give him a *chance* to prove himself, don't you? And don't we regularly hear that some guys need regular ABs to stay start? Was Cora himself saying that about Abreu just recently? (Though maybe it was just a reporter saying that.) But here they're giving Yoshida so much time off that it might screw him up - just when he had gotten on a hot streak in the last week or so.
It's just impossible to believe that a team that has given Dalbec this much run at the plate, and gave Hamilton as much run as it did at SS, finds the thought of Yoshida in LF so sub-optimal that it simply can't be entertained. Here is the *ideal* time to put him out there. And they're just not doing it.
Precisely. Not playing Masa runs completely contrary to the actions the team has made thus far w/ others.
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Post by incandenza on Apr 25, 2024 11:52:00 GMT -5
Pablo Reyes has a .422 OPS. Bobby Dalbec has a .206 OPS and they’re both playing today rather than having Yoshida in. Absolutely inexcusable Are you suggesting Yoshida play 1st or 3rd replacing Dalbec and Reyes? People are saying Refsnyder could go to 1st. But personally I would also consider it a no-brainer to just play Yoshida in LF over Refsnyder if the DH spot isn't available.
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Post by ematz1423 on Apr 25, 2024 11:52:15 GMT -5
Devers is too important to the Red Sox to risk having him missing from the lineup, and right now, if making him the DH keeps him in the lineup and off the DL list, then Yoshida rides the pine. Nobody's arguing playing Yoshida over Devers at DH.
I'm pretty low on Yoshida, but this is a lineup with Reyes, Dalbec and Hamilton in it – it would be hard to be that low on Yoshida that you wouldn't find a way to get him in the lineup over those guys.
Especially on a day where O'Neill is sitting AND it's a RH pitcher for CLE.
These three aren't terribly relevant to me in the why is Yoshida not playing equation as they are all playing IF today. Yoshida would not be replacing any of them at 1st/3rd/2nd. I guess you could maybe play Ref at 1st but it seems like they don't want to do that right now or they'd do it. I would have Yoshida in there over Refsnyder since I don't think the world would implode if he plays LF though.
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Post by notstarboard on Apr 25, 2024 11:54:10 GMT -5
I'm even madder than I was yesterday and I apologize in advance for any snippiness...
Fire Cora. Preferably into the sun, but I'd settle for a trash can in the city of Houston.
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Post by oldfaithful2019 on Apr 25, 2024 11:54:33 GMT -5
Could they be close to trading Masa and they are keeping him out of the lineup so he doesn’t get hurt? It’s the only thing that makes any sense at this point. I can’t imagine a trade partner unless we are eating a big chunk of his salary which is not this ownerships MO! Time will tell! How is eating salary not in ownerships MO? They just ate all of Sale's salary to bring back Grissom. If they could get a player similar in promise to Grissom for Yoshida, no question in my mind they would eat most of the salary. A 1B who can also handle 3rd, or vice versa, would be ideal at this time.
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Post by dirtywaterinla on Apr 25, 2024 11:55:42 GMT -5
Nobody's arguing playing Yoshida over Devers at DH.
I'm pretty low on Yoshida, but this is a lineup with Reyes, Dalbec and Hamilton in it – it would be hard to be that low on Yoshida that you wouldn't find a way to get him in the lineup over those guys.
Especially on a day where O'Neill is sitting AND it's a RH pitcher for CLE.
These three aren't terribly relevant to me in the why is Yoshida not playing equation as they are all playing IF today. Yoshida would not be replacing any of them at 1st/3rd/2nd. I guess you could maybe play Ref at 1st but it seems like they don't want to do that right now or they'd do it. I would have Yoshida in there over Refsnyder since I don't think the world would implode if he plays LF though. I still find this logic odd of not starting Ref @ 1B especially seeing Cora threw Wong over to 1B late in the game on Tuesday despite never playing there in his professional career.
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Post by julyanmorley on Apr 25, 2024 11:56:47 GMT -5
I continue to maintain that none of this is that weird once you accept that they're not going to play him in the field
Nobody would have thought anything of Heineman getting to play his one day in the bigs except for what happened after
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Post by dirtywaterinla on Apr 25, 2024 11:57:10 GMT -5
I'm even madder than I was yesterday and I apologize in advance for any snippiness... Fire Cora. Preferably into the sun, but I'd settle for a trash can in the city of Houston. I get the frustration w/ Cora’s about face, but if he wasn’t the manager this team would be at best a 10-15 team at this point…
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Post by ematz1423 on Apr 25, 2024 11:58:53 GMT -5
These three aren't terribly relevant to me in the why is Yoshida not playing equation as they are all playing IF today. Yoshida would not be replacing any of them at 1st/3rd/2nd. I guess you could maybe play Ref at 1st but it seems like they don't want to do that right now or they'd do it. I would have Yoshida in there over Refsnyder since I don't think the world would implode if he plays LF though. I still find this logic odd of not starting Ref @ 1B especially seeing Cora threw Wong over to 1B late in the game on Tuesday despite never playing there in his professional career. Couldn't really say, Ref hasn't played anywhere but OF for the Sox though. It would seem they don't believe he can play IF anymore since he hasn't done it since 2020 as far as I can tell and that was 20 innings worth. Perhaps they ran him through some IF/1st base reps in practice and figured nope this won't work at all, that'd be my guess as to what happened.
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