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Red Sox Sign 1B Dom Smith to a Major League Deal
nomar
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Post by nomar on May 1, 2024 13:29:34 GMT -5
I definitely want to see Cooper for the most part. Unless they see a real reason why Smith would fare better against the opposing SP, just start the better hitter.
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Post by entrylevelhitman on May 1, 2024 14:18:23 GMT -5
So in very short order, we are likely swapping Reyes for Cooper, Valdez for Grissom, Hamilton for Short, and Dalbec for Smith? I'm not sure it makes sense to platoon Smith and Cooper, so this might mean Yoshida's hand is in bad shape? We have to get at least one DFA to get Smith a roster spot, too. Why wouldn't it make sense to platoon Smith/Cooper? They seem like a pretty good platoon combo at first base to me. Cooper has some positional flexibility too so it's not like they'll be keeping two first base only guys for platooning. I'm struggling to articulate what I think. A straight 1B platoon with a healthy Yoshida just feels...odd...since Yoshida offers close to zero positional flexibility already and frankly shortens the bench. So if he really is the full-time DH, that suggests to me that Smith-Cooper would really be sharing one position with token emergency duty in LF; Smith was only really a LF in the days before the NL adopted the DH and the Mets wanted his bat in the lineup since he and Alonso played the same position and you're not sitting Pete. Smith offers video game positional flexibility, but I'm not convinced his career outfield experience is going to result in much actual on-field decision relief. Frankly, same with Cooper. He played a few innings in LF this year for the Cubs, but has otherwise been 1B/DH only since 2021. I mean, we have 4 corner outfielders and all 4 are hitting the snot out of the ball, so you're not sitting them in favor of Smith-Cooper, nor are you doing late-game defensive replacements since all of our outfielders can field. Does that make sense? I feel like there's a way to say that in 75 words, but I'm not sure how. Basically, if either of them could play third, I'd be more excited about positional flexibility, but backup-to-the-backup Corner outfielder doesn't move a needle much for me any more than "Christian Arroyo, right fielder" did. Ultimately I think another shoe is going to drop that helps this all make sense (guessing it's "Yoshida to the IL"), because right now I'm not sure I see it as-is. I bet this Smith signing is brought to you by some really bad news re: Yoshida's imaging.
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Post by ericmvan on May 1, 2024 14:23:37 GMT -5
It seems to me that they believe that Smith will be more valuable on the roster, down the road, than Dalbec (who also gets to play every day and locale his talent) and ditto for Short and Hamilton. Not much of a downside if they prove to be wrong, except for the need to open up a 40-man slot. The latter makes the idea that they are just covering for Yoshida's IL stint less credible.
One possibility for the latter is to trade Mata to a team with thin pitching where he projects to be valuable enough to keep on the MLB roster down the road ... which does not seem to be the case with us.
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Post by trotman on May 1, 2024 14:30:39 GMT -5
Cotillo just said no roster move yet but "could very well be Dom Smith taking Yoshida's roster spot". Does that mean he's going to the 60 day? I thought they just needed a 40-man spot?
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Post by ematz1423 on May 1, 2024 14:35:45 GMT -5
Why wouldn't it make sense to platoon Smith/Cooper? They seem like a pretty good platoon combo at first base to me. Cooper has some positional flexibility too so it's not like they'll be keeping two first base only guys for platooning. I'm struggling to articulate what I think. A straight 1B platoon with a healthy Yoshida just feels...odd...since Yoshida offers close to zero positional flexibility already and frankly shortens the bench. So if he really is the full-time DH, that suggests to me that Smith-Cooper would really be sharing one position with token emergency duty in LF; Smith was only really a LF in the days before the NL adopted the DH and the Mets wanted his bat in the lineup since he and Alonso played the same position and you're not sitting Pete. Smith offers video game positional flexibility, but I'm not convinced his career outfield experience is going to result in much actual on-field decision relief. Frankly, same with Cooper. He played a few innings in LF this year for the Cubs, but has otherwise been 1B/DH only since 2021. I mean, we have 4 corner outfielders and all 4 are hitting the snot out of the ball, so you're not sitting them in favor of Smith-Cooper, nor are you doing late-game defensive replacements since all of our outfielders can field. Does that make sense? I feel like there's a way to say that in 75 words, but I'm not sure how. Basically, if either of them could play third, I'd be more excited about positional flexibility, but backup-to-the-backup Corner outfielder doesn't move a needle much for me any more than "Christian Arroyo, right fielder" did. Ultimately I think another shoe is going to drop that helps this all make sense (guessing it's "Yoshida to the IL"), because right now I'm not sure I see it as-is. I bet this Smith signing is brought to you by some really bad news re: Yoshida's imaging. I can see your point on positional flexibility and it wouldn't surprise me all that much if Smith is just around long enough for Yoshida to heal up and get off the IL. The hope is he won't be around in a couple months if Casas is able to heal up and return so either way I think Smith is probably just a short term band-aid who can will play against righties while Yoshida is out and platoon with Cooper a little bit until Casas gets back. I think their positional flexibility is fine right now with Grissom back. Short will be the backup 2nd/SS/3rd for now and like you said they have 4 solid OFers in Abreu/Duran/O'Neill/Ref. They may pivot with another roster move if a better more versatile option becomes available than Smith but for now Smith seems like a reasonable addition to me.
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Post by entrylevelhitman on May 1, 2024 14:36:36 GMT -5
Cotillo just said no roster move yet but "could very well be Dom Smith taking Yoshida's roster spot". Does that mean he's going to the 60 day? I thought they just needed a 40-man spot? There's no open 40-man spot. The Sox had two open yesterday, but one went to Bailey Horn and the other went to Zack Short. If Yoshida goes to the 15-day IL, Smith can take his place on the active roster, but someone will need to be removed from the 40-man to get Smith onto the 40-man. If that makes sense...
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Post by trotman on May 1, 2024 14:49:49 GMT -5
Cotillo just said no roster move yet but "could very well be Dom Smith taking Yoshida's roster spot". Does that mean he's going to the 60 day? I thought they just needed a 40-man spot? There's no open 40-man spot. The Sox had two open yesterday, but one went to Bailey Horn and the other went to Zack Short. If Yoshida goes to the 15-day IL, Smith can take his place on the active roster, but someone will need to be removed from the 40-man to get Smith onto the 40-man. If that makes sense... I'm talking about the 40-man roster. My question is what does Cotillo's cryptic tweet mean. They've already announced Yoshida to the IL which clears the spot on the active roster but the way it was written makes it sound like the corresponding 40-man roster spot is also Yoshida. I can't link Twitter here but the tweet almost an hour after the injury news is "No roster move yet. But could very well be Dom Smith taking Yoshida's roster spot."
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Post by soxfanatic on May 1, 2024 15:02:03 GMT -5
Smith is 14 days older than Bobby!
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Post by redsox04071318champs on May 1, 2024 15:11:00 GMT -5
I think it's pretty straight forward. Smith replaces Yoshida while he's on the IL.
I dont think Cora will play it this way, but in a week or so, the lineup against righties could look like this:
CF Duran 2B Grissom 3B Devers LF O'Neill RF Abreu 1B Cooper DH Smith C Wong SS Rafaela
Refsnyder gets in against lefties, likely in RF platooning with Abreu.
Somehow I think Dalbec survives this and perhaps platoons with Smith at DH?
I figure McGuire, Short, and Refsnyder are reserves with space for one more. I'm guessing they keep Dalbec over Hamilton?
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Post by entrylevelhitman on May 1, 2024 15:45:13 GMT -5
There's no open 40-man spot. The Sox had two open yesterday, but one went to Bailey Horn and the other went to Zack Short. If Yoshida goes to the 15-day IL, Smith can take his place on the active roster, but someone will need to be removed from the 40-man to get Smith onto the 40-man. If that makes sense... I'm talking about the 40-man roster. My question is what does Cotillo's cryptic tweet mean. They've already announced Yoshida to the IL which clears the spot on the active roster but the way it was written makes it sound like the corresponding 40-man roster spot is also Yoshida. I can't link Twitter here but the tweet almost an hour after the injury news is "No roster move yet. But could very well be Dom Smith taking Yoshida's roster spot." Oh, I see. Yeah, I have no idea. Sorry. This team usually waits until they have to commit to a lineup before announcing moves, so it wouldn't surprise me if they've been waiting to see if Grissom is healthy enough to play, or waiting to see who can actually get to Fenway in time to play.
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Post by scottysmalls on May 1, 2024 15:55:22 GMT -5
I think it's pretty straight forward. Smith replaces Yoshida while he's on the IL. I dont think Cora will play it this way, but in a week or so, the lineup against righties could look like this: CF Duran 2B Grissom 3B Devers LF O'Neill RF Abreu 1B Cooper DH Smith C Wong SS Rafaela Refsnyder gets in against lefties, likely in RF platooning with Abreu. Somehow I think Dalbec survives this and perhaps platoons with Smith at DH? I figure McGuire, Short, and Refsnyder are reserves with space for one more. I'm guessing they keep Dalbec over Hamilton? The only argument I could buy for keeping Dalbec over Hamilton is that they want to prioritize Hamilton getting regular PT
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Post by GyIantosca on May 1, 2024 16:45:35 GMT -5
Curious to see who gets DFA'd to add both Short and Smith. Maybe Walter to the 60 day. Dalbec, please, FFS you can't do that, his job to polish that medal they pass around when they hit HR.
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Post by GyIantosca on May 1, 2024 16:47:59 GMT -5
The FO woke up they realized they have a team with some balls. I'm joking I like him. Its funny how things work out.
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Post by terriblehondo on May 1, 2024 16:59:49 GMT -5
I have not watched Smith in a bit. But as I recall he was an absolute butcher with the glove at every position I saw him. He's actually gotten to be above average at 1B, but he's definitely a butcher in the OF. Here are his 1B stats: Year: Innings, DRS, OAA
2021: 70.2, 2, 0 2022: 196, 0, 2 2023: 1244.2, 5, 1
OK, I was thinking he was DH only. I will step back from the cliff.
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Post by bosoxnation on May 1, 2024 17:50:19 GMT -5
Looks like Masa to 10 day IL and Vlad Gutierrez DFA per RED SOX Twitter
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Post by nomar on May 1, 2024 18:22:29 GMT -5
Over 40% of his career fly balls are to opposite field which will serve him well at Fenway at least.
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Post by 1toolplayer on May 1, 2024 18:37:46 GMT -5
At this point, could prob just 60 day Romy, they said last week he wasn't close, we are already approaching 30 days. It's only been 18 days on Romy. It doesn't sound like Walter is particularly close. I wonder if they'd be willing to pay him an MLB salary and have him accrue service time on the 60-day. 21 days for Romy, with a 4/11 retroactive date, so if I was thinking if he's not close as of last week, another 6 weeks sounds reasonable. Walter almost certainly seems like an easy one, I found that odd they didn't do that when they acquired Horn, and esp now that Joely is back
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Post by Chris Hatfield on May 2, 2024 12:20:06 GMT -5
It's only been 18 days on Romy. It doesn't sound like Walter is particularly close. I wonder if they'd be willing to pay him an MLB salary and have him accrue service time on the 60-day. 21 days for Romy, with a 4/11 retroactive date, so if I was thinking if he's not close as of last week, another 6 weeks sounds reasonable. Walter almost certainly seems like an easy one, I found that odd they didn't do that when they acquired Horn, and esp now that Joely is back Ah, good point. They'll probably wait on that one though.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on May 2, 2024 12:58:47 GMT -5
He's acting like Bloom, but the results have been much better. Let's see if he can pull another rabbit out of a hat. This is kinda crazy. Rebuilding the roster one month into the season with cast-offs and guys he's buying for cash as you are playing above expectations. Maybe he does have a great eye for talent.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on May 3, 2024 11:06:14 GMT -5
He's acting like Bloom, but the results have been much better. Let's see if he can pull another rabbit out of a hat. This is kinda crazy. Rebuilding the roster one month into the season with cast-offs and guys he's buying for cash as you are playing above expectations. Maybe he does have a great eye for talent. 1) How is he "acting like Bloom" exactly? 2) I don't know that he's "rebuilding the roster," is he? They acquired 3 guys, none of which they probably bother with if Casas and Story don't suffer long-term injuries (maybe get get one to replace Dalbec, whose spot on the roster has always been tenuous). The other is a guy getting healthy. It's all about the injuries.
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Post by thegoodthebadthesox on May 3, 2024 11:13:38 GMT -5
He's acting like Bloom, but the results have been much better. Let's see if he can pull another rabbit out of a hat. This is kinda crazy. Rebuilding the roster one month into the season with cast-offs and guys he's buying for cash as you are playing above expectations. Maybe he does have a great eye for talent. 1) How is he "acting like Bloom" exactly? 2) I don't know that he's "rebuilding the roster," is he? They acquired 3 guys, none of which they probably bother with if Casas and Story don't suffer long-term injuries (maybe get get one to replace Dalbec, whose spot on the roster has always been tenuous). The other is a guy getting healthy. It's all about the injuries. It feels like some people have become so AJ Preller-pilled that they view any move that isn't a huge signing or splash trade as a Moneyball-level type of intricacy when in reality it's most of the day-to-day of the job
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Post by umassgrad2005 on May 3, 2024 11:56:04 GMT -5
He's acting like Bloom, but the results have been much better. Let's see if he can pull another rabbit out of a hat. This is kinda crazy. Rebuilding the roster one month into the season with cast-offs and guys he's buying for cash as you are playing above expectations. Maybe he does have a great eye for talent. 1) How is he "acting like Bloom" exactly? 2) I don't know that he's "rebuilding the roster," is he? They acquired 3 guys, none of which they probably bother with if Casas and Story don't suffer long-term injuries (maybe get get one to replace Dalbec, whose spot on the roster has always been tenuous). The other is a guy getting healthy. It's all about the injuries. Since 4/18, he's traded for 4 players, signed one to major league contract and signed four minor league free agents. He made zero signings and trades before that since start of the season. If you look at are last two GM, who do these type of moves remind you of them?
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Post by puzzler on May 3, 2024 13:18:59 GMT -5
1) How is he "acting like Bloom" exactly? 2) I don't know that he's "rebuilding the roster," is he? They acquired 3 guys, none of which they probably bother with if Casas and Story don't suffer long-term injuries (maybe get get one to replace Dalbec, whose spot on the roster has always been tenuous). The other is a guy getting healthy. It's all about the injuries. Since 4/18, he's traded for 4 players, signed one to major league contract and signed four minor league free agents. He made zero signings and trades before that since start of the season. If you look at are last two GM, who do these type of moves remind you of them? They remind me of every single GM ever in the history of baseball, especially Dave Dombrowski.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on May 3, 2024 13:35:25 GMT -5
1) How is he "acting like Bloom" exactly? 2) I don't know that he's "rebuilding the roster," is he? They acquired 3 guys, none of which they probably bother with if Casas and Story don't suffer long-term injuries (maybe get get one to replace Dalbec, whose spot on the roster has always been tenuous). The other is a guy getting healthy. It's all about the injuries. Since 4/18, he's traded for 4 players, signed one to major league contract and signed four minor league free agents. He made zero signings and trades before that since start of the season. If you look at are last two GM, who do these type of moves remind you of them? I mean, if you're narrowing the universe of things that one can be to a binary of Chaim Bloom and Dave Dombrowski, a lot of things are going to be "like" one of them that aren't. "Here's a car and a grape. Which of them is this sledgehammer more like?"
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Post by umassgrad2005 on May 3, 2024 14:51:15 GMT -5
Since 4/18, he's traded for 4 players, signed one to major league contract and signed four minor league free agents. He made zero signings and trades before that since start of the season. If you look at are last two GM, who do these type of moves remind you of them? They remind me of every single GM ever in the history of baseball, especially Dave Dombrowski. DD made one trade during the season acquiring a player for cash his entire time in Boston, so you are completely wrong.
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