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Post by strike23 on May 15, 2024 20:38:46 GMT -5
I don't remember a sox team that's struck out as often as this one
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Post by dirtywaterinla on May 15, 2024 20:42:07 GMT -5
Man, Cora went from one of his best managed games last night to one of his worst managed games of the season tonight.
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Post by cheers on May 15, 2024 20:42:37 GMT -5
Owie. Tough loss. Really needed 3 of 4 this series.
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Post by notstarboard on May 15, 2024 20:43:14 GMT -5
This result was expected the second Houck came back out for the 6th. Yes, a lot of other things went wrong that could have prevented this. But my god am I tired of brutal tactical errors by the manager. I've had to miss a lot of games lately but it seems nothing has changed.
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Post by dirtdog on May 15, 2024 20:43:21 GMT -5
These are kind of losses that will keep this team hovering around 500 all season. The good news is down on the farm.
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Post by kevfc89 on May 15, 2024 20:43:22 GMT -5
12 more strikeouts: no late inning magic.
We now have a rare Sox case of great pitching, but poor hitting team. Always wondered which kind of team is more fun to watch, and for pure entertainment value I'm taking a great hitting bad pitching team.
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Post by dirtdog on May 15, 2024 20:44:57 GMT -5
I don't remember a sox team that's struck out as often as this one This is modern baseball according the Ivy league stat boys running the league these days. A strike out is no different from any other out.
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Post by notstarboard on May 15, 2024 20:45:15 GMT -5
12 more strikeouts: no late inning magic. We now have a rare Sox case of great pitching, but poor hitting team. Always wondered which kind of team is more fun to watch, and I'm taking a great hitting bad pitching team for entertainment value. I'm totally fine with a great pitching, poor hitting team BUT they have to play good defense and not make mental mistakes. The impact of each mistake is amplified when they're not scoring effectively.
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Post by asm18 on May 15, 2024 20:46:04 GMT -5
Cooper Criswell vs Zach Littell for the “good starter out of literally nowhere” belt tomorrow
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Post by trapperdan on May 15, 2024 20:48:04 GMT -5
If this team wants to show a little life (& dignity, & accountability), they'd ditch Fatse, Cooper, and Dom tonight. Give the two new 40 spots to Meidroth and Kavadas, and give Raffy some DH time until Yoshida returns. No serious team should be putting up with this level of absurdity, just pissing away winnable games every other day. Never seen an offensive approach this weak & scattered.
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Post by scottysmalls on May 15, 2024 20:53:14 GMT -5
If this team wants to show a little life (& dignity, & accountability), they'd ditch Fatse, Cooper, and Dom tonight. Give the two new 40 spots to Meidroth and Kavadas, and give Raffy some DH time until Yoshida returns. No serious team should be putting up with this level of absurdity, just pissing away winnable games every other day. Never seen an offensive approach this weak & scattered. Cooper’s error tonight stunk, as have many of the other high leverage ones this year (seriously I would love to see a defensive version of the clutch metric because I’m sure theirs is also terrible), but swapping him out for one of those guys would only make the team worse. Also Devers has been fine defensively this year, I’m not in a rush to DH him.
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Post by kevfc89 on May 15, 2024 20:55:06 GMT -5
12 more strikeouts: no late inning magic. We now have a rare Sox case of great pitching, but poor hitting team. Always wondered which kind of team is more fun to watch, and I'm taking a great hitting bad pitching team for entertainment value. I'm totally fine with a great pitching, poor hitting team BUT they have to play good defense and not make mental mistakes. The impact of each mistake is amplified when they're not scoring effectively. yea I was just speaking for entertainment value, I think it's more fun to watch your team rake than it is to watch them pitch well. We've had arguably the best pitching, but combined with our often inept offense it's made for some boring affairs where not much is happening. the dodgers have the best hitting and a middle-of-the-pack team FIP, but every day their fans get to watch an offense filled with stars that can explode at any time.
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Post by art on May 15, 2024 20:55:08 GMT -5
I don't remember a sox team that's struck out as often as this one I'm just guessing, but I don't think there has been one. I've been following this team for 70+ years.
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Post by dirtdog on May 15, 2024 20:58:45 GMT -5
I don't remember a sox team that's struck out as often as this one I'm just guessing, but I don't think there has been one. I've been following this team for 70+ years. Damn you saw Ted play. He retired the year before I was born.
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Post by trapperdan on May 15, 2024 20:59:53 GMT -5
If this team wants to show a little life (& dignity, & accountability), they'd ditch Fatse, Cooper, and Dom tonight. Give the two new 40 spots to Meidroth and Kavadas, and give Raffy some DH time until Yoshida returns. No serious team should be putting up with this level of absurdity, just pissing away winnable games every other day. Never seen an offensive approach this weak & scattered. Cooper’s error tonight stunk, as have many of the other high leverage ones this year (seriously I would love to see a defensive version of the clutch metric because I’m sure theirs is also terrible), but swapping him out for one of those guys would only make the team worse. Also Devers has been fine defensively this year, I’m not in a rush to DH him. I hear you — and I don't want to overreact to a small sample size, but we're just not getting a professional level of play from Cooper or Smith. I'm not sure ditching the former makes the team worse; can Kavadas do better than a .523 OPS? Can he field a routine grounder? The bar is beneath the floor right now — and, numbers aside, this team might benefit from mixing things up.
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Post by asm18 on May 15, 2024 21:02:28 GMT -5
The hitting coaches on the staff include:
Pete Fatse - Hitting Coach Luis Ortiz - Assistant Hitting Coach Ben Rosenthal - Assistant Hitting Coach
If folks seriously want to jettison Pete Fatse on May 15th, who exactly is taking his place? Most elite hitting coaches aren’t like sitting on their couches waiting to get hired by someone mid- season.
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Post by congusgambler33 on May 15, 2024 21:03:39 GMT -5
cora says making adjustments for the strikeouts Boy that makes a ton of sense. Lets see if we can strikeout an average of 16 times a game. fatse is worthless and if they don't fire him they are going to be treading water all year.
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Post by art on May 15, 2024 21:08:00 GMT -5
I'm just guessing, but I don't think there has been one. I've been following this team for 70+ years. Damn you saw Ted play. He retired the year before I was born. Saw him live for the first time in '54. Saw him homer on home opening day in '60. Several other times in between.
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Post by asm18 on May 15, 2024 21:10:05 GMT -5
Damn you saw Ted play. He retired the year before I was born. Saw him live for the first time in '54. Saw him homer on home opening day in '60. Several other times in between. That’s so cool. What was it like watching him in person?
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Post by scottysmalls on May 15, 2024 21:23:48 GMT -5
I don't remember a sox team that's struck out as often as this one I'm just guessing, but I don't think there has been one. I've been following this team for 70+ years. There hasn’t been, 26.7% K rate this year before today, the team’s second worst ever was 23.7% in 2020.
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Post by scottysmalls on May 15, 2024 21:24:24 GMT -5
Cooper’s error tonight stunk, as have many of the other high leverage ones this year (seriously I would love to see a defensive version of the clutch metric because I’m sure theirs is also terrible), but swapping him out for one of those guys would only make the team worse. Also Devers has been fine defensively this year, I’m not in a rush to DH him. I hear you — and I don't want to overreact to a small sample size, but we're just not getting a professional level of play from Cooper or Smith. I'm not sure ditching the former makes the team worse; can Kavadas do better than a .523 OPS? Can he field a routine grounder? The bar is beneath the floor right now — and, numbers aside, this team might benefit from mixing things up. Moving forward I think Cooper is more likely to do both those things than Kavadas is
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Post by art on May 15, 2024 21:24:47 GMT -5
Saw him live for the first time in '54. Saw him homer on home opening day in '60. Several other times in between. That’s so cool. What was it like watching him in person? In '54 I don't think I fully appreciated what a great player he was. I mean, I knew he was a really good player, but at age 8 you don't have a very wide perspective. In '60 it was well known that it was his last year. I took the B&M train to Boston on my own, managed to find my way to Fenway and suffered through a pretty cold day to watch him.
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Post by greenmonster on May 15, 2024 21:29:50 GMT -5
F_eeling A_wful after T_on of S_trikeouts E_verynight
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Post by jbur521 on May 15, 2024 21:40:40 GMT -5
Saw him live for the first time in '54. Saw him homer on home opening day in '60. Several other times in between. That’s so cool. What was it like watching him in person? Went to Ted Williams Camp at 15yo in 1965 and was pitching with Ted behind the backstop. Was on the mound waiting for the catcher to get his gear on, when I heard a booming "Hell, I'll warm you up" . Ted grabbed a bat and I threw 8 warmup pitches to Ted Williams , who hit 8 perfect one-hoppers back to me. Thrill of a lifetime!
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Post by rhswanzey on May 15, 2024 21:40:49 GMT -5
MLB-wide BABIP is the lowest it’s been at any point in the 21st century - .288
Amazing that none of the recent years without shift restrictions beat this year.
edit: unsaid implication is that run prevention is noticeably ahead of hitters league wide; see prior post about all of the hitting rate stats being the lowest they’ve been in decades
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