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5/24-5/26 Red Sox vs. Brewers Series Thread
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Post by manfred on May 26, 2024 15:55:35 GMT -5
Eight pages for a three game series? I know its a holiday weekend but that seems real light. People losing interest all ready? I admit it… I’ve lost interest. I’ll lurk, but after 5 years, what is there to say? I just find this team insanely boring. I peek in to see Duran, but even having bought the MLB package, I’ve not been watching. Change the names, comments from last year, year before pretty much apply.
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Post by dirtdog on May 26, 2024 16:00:42 GMT -5
Eight pages for a three game series? I know its a holiday weekend but that seems real light. People losing interest all ready? I admit it… I’ve lost interest. I’ll lurk, but after 5 years, what is there to say? I just find this team insanely boring. I peek in to see Duran, but even having bought the MLB package, I’ve not been watching. Change the names, comments from last year, year before pretty much apply. The reason I bring it up from time to time is because I wonder if the board is a microcosm of the fan base. IE: How much good will has Henry banked and when do people start voting with their feet? And thanks for your honesty.
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Post by cba82 on May 26, 2024 16:17:32 GMT -5
Just got home from Fenway.
Beautiful day, tight ballgame, well-pitched game by the Red Sox, timely eighth inning hitting, nice tidy two-and-a-quarter hour game.
Loved the bad feelings between the two teams this weekend, to include the coaching staffs, nice to see some passion.
Like this team, and especially the speed, which made a difference today.
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Post by Guidas on May 26, 2024 16:23:02 GMT -5
Eight pages for a three game series? I know its a holiday weekend but that seems real light. People losing interest all ready? I've been eyes deep in a massive project but have watched some or all of nearly every game. Just so frustrating to see them waste all this surprise pitching and another year of Devers and Duran. Having fun watching Abreu (thanks, Chaim! - you got that one right), although I'm still waiting for the league to adjust. If they don't he's a legit ROY candidate. It may get better when Casas returns, but with that injury, I don't expect him to hit the ground running. As they say in life, timing is everything. My biggest frustration game-to-game is the knowledge that a bit more smart spending last couple years and maybe a trade or two and this team could be in second place challenging for first instead of treading around .500. They still can make a run at the last WC spot, but boy have they pissed away a good 6 to 10 games already. I wonder if ownership is feeling the empty seats yet? Or are ticket sales gravy at this point with all the other revenue streams? (and Lord knows how much owners are passing around after the Roku deal, to go with all the cash they pulled from the Apple TV and sale of the MLB data group that they hid from the players until after the CBA was done).
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Post by incandenza on May 26, 2024 16:28:38 GMT -5
Eight pages for a three game series? I know its a holiday weekend but that seems real light. People losing interest all ready? I'll likely watch every game. But reading/posting in this thread can be a drag -- so much negativity & mocking of the players. Blocking just one or two congenitally sour participants can really do wonders for the experience. Eight pages for a three game series? I know its a holiday weekend but that seems real light. People losing interest all ready? I admit it⦠Iâve lost interest. Iâll lurk, but after 5 years, what is there to say? I just find this team insanely boring. I peek in to see Duran, but even having bought the MLB package, Iâve not been watching. Change the names, comments from last year, year before pretty much apply. ...I don't count manfred as one of the above. But: this team feels SO different from the last couple of years to me. Compare rooting for Rafaela to rooting for Kiké; rooting for Abreu vs. rooting for Duvall (or Verdugo if you prefer); rooting for Crawford vs. rooting for Wacha; rooting for Duran vs. rooting for Renfroe. After years of getting by with a patchwork of low-cost mercenaries, everywhere you look is a home-grown player that is flashing exciting talent and should be a part of the team's future for years to come.
Granted, they aren't a flawless team. But at 2 games out of a wild card with 109 to play I guess I'm not ready to write their obituary yet.
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Post by Soxfansince1971 on May 26, 2024 17:10:38 GMT -5
I'll likely watch every game. But reading/posting in this thread can be a drag -- so much negativity & mocking of the players. Blocking just one or two congenitally sour participants can really do wonders for the experience. I admit it⦠Iâve lost interest. Iâll lurk, but after 5 years, what is there to say? I just find this team insanely boring. I peek in to see Duran, but even having bought the MLB package, Iâve not been watching. Change the names, comments from last year, year before pretty much apply. ...I don't count manfred as one of the above. But: this team feels SO different from the last couple of years to me. Compare rooting for Rafaela to rooting for Kiké; rooting for Abreu vs. rooting for Duvall (or Verdugo if you prefer); rooting for Crawford vs. rooting for Wacha; rooting for Duran vs. rooting for Renfroe. After years of getting by with a patchwork of low-cost mercenaries, everywhere you look is a home-grown player that is flashing exciting talent and should be a part of the team's future for years to come.
Granted, they aren't a flawless team. But at 2 games out of a wild card with 109 to play I guess I'm not ready to write their obituary yet.
Agree 100%. Anyone who thinks this team of young, homegrown, or young, trade acquisitions is not comprehending that it is completely different than 2020 to 2023. There are 3 homegrown starters (Houck, Bello, and Crawford). The last homegrown starter was Buchholz in 2007….. There are more prospects on the way. For those who have ‘lost interest’, you will never get it back if you are expecting an all-star studded $240 million payroll…..
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Post by redsox04071318champs on May 26, 2024 19:35:40 GMT -5
I still love the Sox as much as I always have the past 45 years but I cant say I find them to be must watch TV.
They're hovering around .500 where they've been for the greater part of six seasons, looking like they may spend another October on the outside.
Just because I love my Sox doesnt mean thay I turn a blind eye to things I see that I disagree with. I'll always appreciate what ownership did but I'm not going to pretend that they havent put a greater emphasis on profit than they have on their product, which the Sox are now just one of many products that they own.
It's not surprising that the product on the field isnt as compelling as it had been for most of their ownership.
I like that Theo is back although its probably temporary as Theo always seemingly has a career ladder to climb (not a judgment but definitely his history). I like what I've seen thus far from Breslow and am interested in what he could do with less payroll restrictions.
I dont really see why the Sox cant put together a 240 million plus payroll that's filled with stars who supplement a young talented emerging core. I'm not interested in additional profit going into ownerships pocket.
I'm hopeful that within a year or two the Sox get to the point where they're truly compelling, where one feels comfortable penciling them in for 90 plus wins every year and the expectation is that they are to make the generously expanded playoffs just about every year with being the type of team who is considered a real threat to win the Series multiple times.
This is far different from the forever .500 they've been since 2019.
Yes, they're phasing younger players in and Bailey has had a good affect on the pitching staff, but right now they appear to be a .500 team that should hope should be better but likely wont be.
They still have a lot of work to get from here to there but I'm hoping that they're finally pointed in the right direction, but this extended time in purgatory has felt long and I feel could have been avoided to a large extent.
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Post by cdj on May 26, 2024 21:47:31 GMT -5
I’m having a good time watching them but I’m watching for the future not for the present
I love combat sports. In the fight game it’s not the title reign that’s the fun part, it’s the journey to get there. Watching these young players and pitchers emerge is a part of that journey for us- hopefully some of these pieces are building blocks for the next great Sox reign. I feel like they could very well be.
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Post by DesignatedForAssignment on May 26, 2024 22:17:04 GMT -5
Building a winning team doesn't always go well ... as we've seen the last few years. That's why it's so difficult.
For those who follow the top 20 prospects, there's successes every day.
(Except maybe Mondays.)
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Post by threeifbaerga on May 27, 2024 7:10:53 GMT -5
Eight pages for a three game series? I know its a holiday weekend but that seems real light. People losing interest all ready? I avoid GameDay threads when at all possible. Win or lose the insane negativity just isn't something I need every day.
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Post by asm18 on May 27, 2024 8:47:16 GMT -5
Tyler O’Neill has 0 opposite field hits in the month of May. Not sure if that’s a cause or effect of his struggles this month, but considering the Orioles moved their left field fence back approximately 700 feet, it might help him get back on track to go oppo. He was doing that literally to start the season in Seattle
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Post by Soxfansince1971 on May 27, 2024 8:49:04 GMT -5
I still love the Sox as much as I always have the past 45 years but I cant say I find them to be must watch TV. They're hovering around .500 where they've been for the greater part of six seasons, looking like they may spend another October on the outside. Just because I love my Sox doesnt mean thay I turn a blind eye to things I see that I disagree with. I'll always appreciate what ownership did but I'm not going to pretend that they havent put a greater emphasis on profit than they have on their product, which the Sox are now just one of many products that they own. It's not surprising that the product on the field isnt as compelling as it had been for most of their ownership. I like that Theo is back although its probably temporary as Theo always seemingly has a career ladder to climb (not a judgment but definitely his history). I like what I've seen thus far from Breslow and am interested in what he could do with less payroll restrictions. I dont really see why the Sox cant put together a 240 million plus payroll that's filled with stars who supplement a young talented emerging core. I'm not interested in additional profit going into ownerships pocket. I'm hopeful that within a year or two the Sox get to the point where they're truly compelling, where one feels comfortable penciling them in for 90 plus wins every year and the expectation is that they are to make the generously expanded playoffs just about every year with being the type of team who is considered a real threat to win the Series multiple times. This is far different from the forever .500 they've been since 2019. Yes, they're phasing younger players in and Bailey has had a good affect on the pitching staff, but right now they appear to be a .500 team that should hope should be better but likely wont be. They still have a lot of work to get from here to there but I'm hoping that they're finally pointed in the right direction, but this extended time in purgatory has felt long and I feel could have been avoided to a large extent. When ‘fans’ say they can not see why Henry does not spend more money……. It is not your decision how much of his money should be spent…..Time for you to become a Dodger fan along with all the former Mookie Betts complainers……
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Post by patford on May 27, 2024 8:58:22 GMT -5
Eight pages for a three game series? I know its a holiday weekend but that seems real light. People losing interest all ready? I avoid GameDay threads when at all possible. Win or lose the insane negativity just isn't something I need every day. Same here. Barring a miracle the Sox are not winning the World Series this year. I enjoy seeing what the young talent is doing with the Sox and in the Minor Leagues. The idea of trying to buy a championships doesn't appeal to me at all. If I were a fan of the Dodgers or the Yankees I don't think I would ever watch a game and would have given up following them.
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Post by soxfansince67 on May 27, 2024 9:13:46 GMT -5
We got on the road at 9:30 yesterday morning and rolled into our driveway at 6:30...Stephen King's Duma Key made the ride seem short - and leaving an island and arriving in the mountains was way cool.
Let's not get judgmental on how we choose to support a team. Or whether we are supporting the team at a given moment. We are all different - and can be different on different days.
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Post by Soxfansince1971 on May 27, 2024 9:51:57 GMT -5
We got on the road at 9:30 yesterday morning and rolled into our driveway at 6:30...Stephen King's Duma Key made the ride seem short - and leaving an island and arriving in the mountains was way cool. Let's not get judgmental on how we choose to support a team. Or whether we are supporting the team at a given moment. We are all different - and can be different on different days. ….and use the mute for those that make this great site less fun to be on…..
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Post by redsox04071318champs on May 27, 2024 10:59:23 GMT -5
I still love the Sox as much as I always have the past 45 years but I cant say I find them to be must watch TV. They're hovering around .500 where they've been for the greater part of six seasons, looking like they may spend another October on the outside. Just because I love my Sox doesnt mean thay I turn a blind eye to things I see that I disagree with. I'll always appreciate what ownership did but I'm not going to pretend that they havent put a greater emphasis on profit than they have on their product, which the Sox are now just one of many products that they own. It's not surprising that the product on the field isnt as compelling as it had been for most of their ownership. I like that Theo is back although its probably temporary as Theo always seemingly has a career ladder to climb (not a judgment but definitely his history). I like what I've seen thus far from Breslow and am interested in what he could do with less payroll restrictions. I dont really see why the Sox cant put together a 240 million plus payroll that's filled with stars who supplement a young talented emerging core. I'm not interested in additional profit going into ownerships pocket. I'm hopeful that within a year or two the Sox get to the point where they're truly compelling, where one feels comfortable penciling them in for 90 plus wins every year and the expectation is that they are to make the generously expanded playoffs just about every year with being the type of team who is considered a real threat to win the Series multiple times. This is far different from the forever .500 they've been since 2019. Yes, they're phasing younger players in and Bailey has had a good affect on the pitching staff, but right now they appear to be a .500 team that should hope should be better but likely wont be. They still have a lot of work to get from here to there but I'm hoping that they're finally pointed in the right direction, but this extended time in purgatory has felt long and I feel could have been avoided to a large extent. When ‘fans’ say they can not see why Henry does not spend more money……. It is not your decision how much of his money should be spent…..Time for you to become a Dodger fan along with all the former Mookie Betts complainers…… Time for you to get off your high horse and stop telling other fans how they should see their team. Really, who the hell are you to tell me how I should feel about my team? I dont tell you how you should feel about the Sox. So dont pull that on me.
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Post by benogliviesbrother on May 27, 2024 12:59:59 GMT -5
When ‘fans’ say they can not see why Henry does not spend more money……. It is not your decision how much of his money should be spent…..Time for you to become a Dodger fan along with all the former Mookie Betts complainers…… Time for you to get off your high horse and stop telling other fans how they should see their team. Really, who the hell are you to tell me how I should feel about my team? I dont tell you how you should feel about the Sox. So dont pull that on me. You can feel however you want about your favorite team. But when you turn those feelings into words on a public forum page, should those thoughts not be subject to affirmation or criticism & disagreement?
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Post by redsox04071318champs on May 27, 2024 16:29:49 GMT -5
Time for you to get off your high horse and stop telling other fans how they should see their team. Really, who the hell are you to tell me how I should feel about my team? I dont tell you how you should feel about the Sox. So dont pull that on me. You can feel however you want about your favorite team. But when you turn those feelings into words on a public forum page, should those thoughts not be subject to affirmation or criticism & disagreement? Personal shots are not the same as critiquing (or complementing) a billion dollar franchise. If you can't tell the difference between those two things then I dont know what to tell you. Because you're posting publicly, too, would you like me to throw personal criticism your way regarding your posting mannerisms? I choose not to because it would be inappropriate and the forum is about the Red Sox, not the posters themselves. If you dont like my posts either dont read them or simply block me. Believe me when I say I won't lose any sleep either way.
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Post by benogliviesbrother on May 27, 2024 17:00:42 GMT -5
Do you consider "It is not your decision how much of his money should be spent" a personal shot? I don't. In fact I agree with the sentiment. JH bought the team; he gets to run it; I get to follow the team, or not. How much JH spends is his decision.
Meanwhile, the "JH is cheap" narrative, that some (I'm in this group) find extremely annoying -- it's not necessarily the opinion itself, but the high volume & constant repetition -- often feels like discovering sports talk radio has taken over a former "safe space," ie, a forum designed, presumably, for a more thoughtful, respectful, exchange of information and opinion.
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Post by vermontsox1 on May 27, 2024 17:02:41 GMT -5
Knock off the personal attacks. Let's move on, please.
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Post by Soxfansince1971 on May 27, 2024 18:21:48 GMT -5
Time for you to get off your high horse and stop telling other fans how they should see their team. Really, who the hell are you to tell me how I should feel about my team? I dont tell you how you should feel about the Sox. So dont pull that on me. You can feel however you want about your favorite team. But when you turn those feelings into words on a public forum page, should those thoughts not be subject to affirmation or criticism & disagreement? Agree 100%.
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Post by threeifbaerga on May 28, 2024 5:59:15 GMT -5
Do you consider "It is not your decision how much of his money should be spent" a personal shot? I don't. In fact I agree with the sentiment. JH bought the team; he gets to run it; I get to follow the team, or not. How much JH spends is his decision. This is a sentiment I see a lot in American sports that I really dislike, one that doesn't fly oftentimes in the European soccer world. Henry is an investor. He didn't create the team, he didn't spend his whole life following and going to games and creating memories. The teams belong to the fans - without the fans, his investment is shot. That's why I hate these teams who cry about player payroll - if you as an ownership group can't afford it, sell the effin' team. You didn't create it, you don't have to own it. I'm not saying he shouldn't own it, just saying that he -does- owe us something. It's a sad hallmark of American capitalism that rich guys can buy a good thing, strip it for parts, fire everyone and start making a crappier product and we all shrug or worse, applaud, as we say "Well, he's the billionaire so he can do whatever he wants as long as it makes him another nickel." Okay, pinko commie rant over.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on May 28, 2024 11:39:40 GMT -5
Do you consider "It is not your decision how much of his money should be spent" a personal shot? I don't. In fact I agree with the sentiment. JH bought the team; he gets to run it; I get to follow the team, or not. How much JH spends is his decision. This is a sentiment I see a lot in American sports that I really dislike, one that doesn't fly oftentimes in the European soccer world. Henry is an investor. He didn't create the team, he didn't spend his whole life following and going to games and creating memories. The teams belong to the fans - without the fans, his investment is shot. That's why I hate these teams who cry about player payroll - if you as an ownership group can't afford it, sell the effin' team. You didn't create it, you don't have to own it. I'm not saying he shouldn't own it, just saying that he -does- owe us something. It's a sad hallmark of American capitalism that rich guys can buy a good thing, strip it for parts, fire everyone and start making a crappier product and we all shrug or worse, applaud, as we say "Well, he's the billionaire so he can do whatever he wants as long as it makes him another nickel." Okay, pinko commie rant over. This to the nth degree. Excellent post.
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Post by gerry on May 28, 2024 12:14:55 GMT -5
For two decades I have assumed that the JH owned leadership group has been a good citizen; capitalism done right by its stakeholders.
During those two decades JH:
-brought championships and Duck Boat parades to “Titletown”; and iconic players and staff to accomplish that goal.
-saved and renovated our Fenway Cathedral. Sure, some still resent the narrow seats, but our historic park has become the Notre Dame of ball parks.
-the environs of that historic ballpark continue to be improved in largely beneficial ways. -created Fenway South, a quantum improvement over the several former training facilities I have enjoyed.
-over and above the improvements to the team and it’s support structures, the JH group has become integral to improving the lives of the people who live in this city/state/NE region. His group has developed THE model for community involvement and support. This is irrefutable. Health and medical support for kids, veterans, cancer patients. Education and scholarships. Inner city development. This is a long list stretching all the way from kids running the bases to Fenway Farms to the Marathon to the Boston Pops on the field playing the Anthem. Pretty amazing, right?
Finally. Lack of investment? Cheap? Building a portfolio? C’mon guys. The John Henry led sports group has revolutionized investing heavily in the community. Has carried one of the top payrolls despite not being a top market (Boston population about 650,000?, MA population less than metro NYC or LA?). And after the loss of one of Boston’s largest companies, John Hancock, what is the problem with a Boston based company having a large and successful international portfolio?
Meanwhile, as Colbert would say, the Sox are hovering just below the tax cap, and around the .500 mark despite crushing injuries while watching young kids take up the slack by developing in the Show, the farm is consistently improving, investment in staff and equipment is at a high point. Not too shabby.
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Post by Soxfansince1971 on May 28, 2024 12:31:55 GMT -5
For two decades I have assumed that the JH owned leadership group has been a good citizen; capitalism done right by its stakeholders. During those two decades JH: -brought championships and Duck Boat parades to “Titletown”; and iconic players and staff to accomplish that goal. -saved and renovated our Fenway Cathedral. Sure, some still resent the narrow seats, but our historic park has become the Notre Dame of ball parks. -the environs of that historic ballpark continue to be improved in largely beneficial ways. -created Fenway South, a quantum improvement over the several former training facilities I have enjoyed. -over and above the improvements to the team and it’s support structures, the JH group has become integral to improving the lives of the people who live in this city/state/NE region. His group has developed THE model for community involvement and support. This is irrefutable. Health and medical support for kids, veterans, cancer patients. Education and scholarships. Inner city development. This is a long list stretching all the way from kids running the bases to Fenway Farms to the Marathon to the Boston Pops on the field playing the Anthem. Pretty amazing, right? Finally. Lack of investment? Cheap? Building a portfolio? C’mon guys. The John Henry led sports group has revolutionized investing heavily in the community. Has carried one of the top payrolls despite not being a top market (Boston population about 650,000?, MA population less than metro NYC or LA?). And after the loss of one of Boston’s largest companies, John Hancock, what is the problem with a Boston based company having a large and successful international portfolio? Meanwhile, as Colbert would say, the Sox are hovering just below the tax cap, and around the .500 mark despite crushing injuries while watching young kids take up the slack by developing in the Show, the farm is consistently improving, investment in staff and equipment is at a high point. Not too shabby. Thanks Gerry that was an awesome read!!! Add to that 4 World Series wins for the fans that only care about that…. It is always worth repeating for those that only care about the results instead of the process. The joy can be in the journey and not just the destination.
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