TearsIn04
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Post by TearsIn04 on Aug 4, 2024 19:29:50 GMT -5
It's reasonable to express surprise that MM hasn't been moved up to AAA yet. But the whole thing about CB2 not having a clue what he's doing and either he or his farm director being "inept"...well, um, I'm not even sure how to respond to that.
MM didn't hit the IL until a few days ago, so they had plenty of time to promote him pre-injury if they thought it was the right move. He's had well north of 500 AA PAs now and that feels about right, maybe even a bit on the high side, for a premier MI prospect with an .850 OPS.
I actually have a doggie in the fight. I've been putting off my first visit to the Woo until at least one of the Big Three is promoted.
I'd be surprised if we don't see MM and quite possibly Teel there before the end of the minor league season.
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Post by rhswanzey on Aug 4, 2024 19:34:22 GMT -5
Have to imagine the 2023 shoulder injury PA were discounted a bit
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Post by nonothing on Aug 4, 2024 20:27:57 GMT -5
It's reasonable to express surprise that MM hasn't been moved up to AAA yet. But the whole thing about CB2 not having a clue what he's doing and either he or his farm director being "inept"...well, um, I'm not even sure how to respond to that. MM didn't hit the IL until a few days ago, so they had plenty of time to promote him pre-injury if they thought it was the right move. He's had well north of 500 AA PAs now and that feels about right, maybe even a bit on the high side, for a premier MI prospect with an .850 OPS. I actually have a doggie in the fight. I've been putting off my first visit to the Woo until at least one of the Big Three is promoted. I'd be surprised if we don't see MM and quite possibly Teel there before the end of the minor league season. Mayer was hurt last yr and not good in the PAs last yr and had bad numbers against LHPs early in the season. Those have come up to respectable enough, but pretty recently. IIRC, Mayer also made more than a couple of errors early in the season. I am imagining the people making these decisions wanted to see Mayer look better defensively and against same-handed pitching (this has actually been articulated in interviews) before the promotion. Then he got hurt -- and I do suspect he was about to be promoted, but now there is at least a bit of a wait. But I frankly don't think he has been ready for a long time. The other guys didn't have platoon issues. Roman is very young and has hit 50 pts below the others. There is no reason to rush him. A month longer in AA til he is hopefully killing it there is probably smart for him. Teel has seemed ready offensively, but C is the hardest developmental position, and I think they have been working on little things to help him be the best C he can be. I don't think they are slow playing this. I think they care about the development of their prospects, and they are working a plan. It's silly to criticize the dev team because fans want to see a guy a step closer. I think fans can chill. They will likely all be in AAA soon enough.
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Post by wanderingdude on Aug 5, 2024 8:52:07 GMT -5
It's reasonable to express surprise that MM hasn't been moved up to AAA yet. But the whole thing about CB2 not having a clue what he's doing and either he or his farm director being "inept"...well, um, I'm not even sure how to respond to that. MM didn't hit the IL until a few days ago, so they had plenty of time to promote him pre-injury if they thought it was the right move. He's had well north of 500 AA PAs now and that feels about right, maybe even a bit on the high side, for a premier MI prospect with an .850 OPS. I actually have a doggie in the fight. I've been putting off my first visit to the Woo until at least one of the Big Three is promoted. I'd be surprised if we don't see MM and quite possibly Teel there before the end of the minor league season. Mayer was hurt last yr and not good in the PAs last yr and had bad numbers against LHPs early in the season. Those have come up to respectable enough, but pretty recently. IIRC, Mayer also made more than a couple of errors early in the season. I am imagining the people making these decisions wanted to see Mayer look better defensively and against same-handed pitching (this has actually been articulated in interviews) before the promotion. Then he got hurt -- and I do suspect he was about to be promoted, but now there is at least a bit of a wait. But I frankly don't think he has been ready for a long time. The other guys didn't have platoon issues. Roman is very young and has hit 50 pts below the others. There is no reason to rush him. A month longer in AA til he is hopefully killing it there is probably smart for him. Teel has seemed ready offensively, but C is the hardest developmental position, and I think they have been working on little things to help him be the best C he can be. I don't think they are slow playing this. I think they care about the development of their prospects, and they are working a plan. It's silly to criticize the dev team because fans want to see a guy a step closer. I think fans can chill. They will likely all be in AAA soon enough. We also don’t know how Breslow views AAA developmentally. Under Dombrowski they didn’t value it at all and would skip it for certain prospects, and Chaim spoke publicly about how much they valued it as a development step. Maybe Breslow is in between, where he won’t skip it entirely but doesn’t view it all that much more challenging compared to double A. There is a chance they’re not rushing to promote them because they just don’t think it provides all that much more of a challenge compared to what they’re facing right now anyway.
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Post by sittingstill on Aug 5, 2024 9:33:39 GMT -5
Brian Abraham spoke before a WooSox game a couple of weeks ago, and as you can imagine the question of promotions came up; he said that the team had specific goals and issues to work on for each player and that they could work on those issues in Portland as easily as they could in Worcester. E.g.--bat speed came up as a discussion point a number of times (not necessarily for any given player). It made me think of the way things were different in the mornings on the back fields in spring training, where there seemed to be much less "let's cycle everyone through the cages for BP" and much more "here is a group of four players working on something seemingly specific and checking the iPads after every session." More data-oriented, more individualized. It may be that for position players they are fine with using Worcester to stash AAAA reserves for now since they can see what they need to see from Portland data for the prospects.
Alex Speier spoke in the same series this past Saturday and talked a bit about young player development and some parallels between the current system and the one he wrote about in Homegrown--he definitely thinks the team sees value in keeping young players together as they develop to lay a foundation for team cohesion and leadership. (I hope they have this series next year, too--$25, comes with sandwiches and chips up in the DCU Club.)
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Post by Oregon Norm on Aug 5, 2024 9:53:26 GMT -5
Does Breslow have any clue what he’s doing because the fact Mayer and Teel hadn’t been promoted to Triple A 6 weeks ago was head scratching by now it’s just plain embarrassing and now it seems Anthony is also ready for a promotion. What is going on over there is he this inept or is this on the farm director? At some point something has to happen right they can’t just waste them away in AA all year. It was a widely held belief they’d be competing for jobs next spring now I’m not sure they’ll even be considered in the first half of next year Please think stuff through. The notion that Breslow is some sort of kingmaker throwing pronouncements out to the minions who do his bidding is... I don't know what it is but it's not the way well-run organizations function. I have no doubt that the decision making process is a team effort. Whether he's even part of that team other than listening in is an open question.
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Post by julyanmorley on Aug 11, 2024 15:25:19 GMT -5
There it is
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Post by cdj on Aug 11, 2024 15:25:29 GMT -5
So close you can almost taste it
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Post by mobaz on Aug 11, 2024 15:27:36 GMT -5
It's all happening!
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Post by soxfan06 on Aug 11, 2024 15:33:45 GMT -5
Did they do this to distract us from that meltdown this weekend??? If so it worked
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Post by finaliz3d on Aug 11, 2024 15:34:50 GMT -5
Atleast it finally happened, so how long do you think it is until people start complaining that they should be up in the majors?
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Post by grandsalami on Aug 11, 2024 15:35:07 GMT -5
Did they do this to distract us from that meltdown this weekend??? If so it worked Lol no. Lets not go conspiracy theory here
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Post by Darwin's Curve on Aug 11, 2024 15:35:45 GMT -5
I think it's great they're keeping them together. That WOR roster is going to be interesting.
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Post by soxfan06 on Aug 11, 2024 15:50:48 GMT -5
Did they do this to distract us from that meltdown this weekend??? If so it worked Lol no. Lets not go conspiracy theory here I wasn’t being serious. Sorry if that wasn’t obvious
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Post by ematz1423 on Aug 11, 2024 15:51:34 GMT -5
Excellent news. Last stop till hopefully three long good careers in Boston!
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Post by awalkinthepark on Aug 11, 2024 16:23:08 GMT -5
For anyone that is able to go to a Woo Sox game, you may get to see Casas, Grissom, Mayer, Teel and Anthony all on the same field. That could legitimately be half the Red Sox starting lineup a year from now.
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Post by bojacksoxfan on Aug 11, 2024 16:24:35 GMT -5
It's quite a coincidence that all three players met their individual development goals on the exact same day. Mayer didn't even have to play for a week to do so!
Or maybe in the future we can just accept that that development goals, whatever they may be, are just one factor in when a player gets promoted.
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Post by alexcorahomevideo on Aug 11, 2024 16:48:12 GMT -5
So close you can almost taste it Great news. Obviously there’s a solid chance of all three being in the bigs by May. Well deserved promotions.
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Post by vermontsox1 on Aug 11, 2024 16:58:46 GMT -5
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Post by julyanmorley on Aug 11, 2024 20:00:01 GMT -5
Roman Anthony is about to be the youngest Red Sox player in AAA in 46 years
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Post by bojacksoxfan on Aug 11, 2024 20:53:52 GMT -5
In case you were wondering Wooster has 36 games left. You figure Anthony would be able to get into 30-ish without too much trouble. Harder to say with Teel as a catcher though they do DH him. One would hope Mayer won’t pick up another nagging injury, but who knows with him.
That would be ~125 ABs or so. Big enough sample to get excited if they do well, but too small to say they’ve conquered AAA.
It would probably take until mid-May to get up to 250 which can be enough time for a smaller minor league promotion.
Into June and it’s over 300 and what the hell are they waiting for?
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Post by alnipper on Aug 11, 2024 21:05:50 GMT -5
Strongest top heavy Sox system in years. Now lets keep them!
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Post by Underwater Johnson on Aug 11, 2024 21:06:23 GMT -5
I don't know if it goes back 46 years or not but I would think that Worcester could set some kind of record by carrying 6 catchers once Teel is official. I'm guessing they send one of the others back to Portland.
Koloszvary has appeared in one game since 6/27 (spent some time on dev list). Wouldn't really damage McGuire's value to go to Portland (and he could serve as an ad hoc pitching coach to the AA staff -- also, would he really complain about spending the rest of the summer in Portland rather than Worcester?). Heineman has been donning the tools of ignorance regularly. Hickey has bounced around from C to 1B to DH but still has caught twice in the last 10 days. Gasper has RAKED while also playing some 1B.
I'm personally hoping for 6 backstops...
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Post by foreverred9 on Aug 11, 2024 21:32:29 GMT -5
Roman Anthony is about to be the youngest Red Sox player in AAA in 46 years Glenn Hoffman (Trevor's older brother) was the player from the 1970s. He had just turned 19 when he was promoted in 1977, then stayed in Pawtucket until opening day 1980. Jeff Suppan was young too. What was impressive for Suppan though was how young he was for his MLB debut. He went directly from AA to MLB at 20.5, two months older than Roman is right now. That's younger than Devers, who was 20.75. Suppan was still only 28 when we traded back for him in 2004.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Aug 11, 2024 22:38:49 GMT -5
I don't know if it goes back 46 years or not but I would think that Worcester could set some kind of record by carrying 6 catchers once Teel is official. I'm guessing they send one of the others back to Portland. Koloszvary has appeared in one game since 6/27 (spent some time on dev list). Wouldn't really damage McGuire's value to go to Portland (and he could serve as an ad hoc pitching coach to the AA staff -- also, would he really complain about spending the rest of the summer in Portland rather than Worcester?). Heineman has been donning the tools of ignorance regularly. Hickey has bounced around from C to 1B to DH but still has caught twice in the last 10 days. Gasper has RAKED while also playing some 1B. I'm personally hoping for 6 backstops... They're at 26 and will have a pitcher going up to Boston tomorrow for Bernardino (probably Horn), so they won't even need to make a countermove until Bernardino reports. At that point it's almost certainly Kolozsvary to the dev list. After that, who knows? Activations of Bello, Criswell, Casas are going to push guys down and at that point things will get interesting. As for Portland, I'm curious how this extra roster spot gets filled, as Castro and Jhosty are only going to fill 2 of the 3, and they were already at 27. THey don't need it because they have Ehrhard, but I wonder if they send maybe Kolozsvary or perhaps even Hickey down. Nick Decker didn't play this week and appears to be hurt, but there's no reason to put him on the IL because they don't have anyone to add to the roster anyway (YAY 165-MAN DRL!!!).
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