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Post by redsoxfan2 on Jun 27, 2024 18:26:00 GMT -5
It's pretty wild how much the Lakers are bending over backwards for a 39, soon to be 40 year old, regardless of how good of a career he's had. Juxtapose that with the just turned 38 year old Al Horford who people are mildly surprised he's coming back for another year and how much his minutes needs to be limited.
Even if James is elite this year it's not like there's any longevity there.
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Jun 27, 2024 19:46:12 GMT -5
The Lonzo thing is hilarious in hindsight.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jun 27, 2024 22:39:08 GMT -5
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Post by cdj on Jun 27, 2024 23:45:01 GMT -5
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Post by rjp313jr on Jun 28, 2024 5:56:38 GMT -5
Fwiw…
2024: Celtics worked out both Scheierman and Watson.
2023: both Walsh (only draft pick) and Drew Peterson who we later signed after a stint he had with Miami.
2022: only had the late second rounder but did not work out Davidson.
2021: they worked out Juhann Begarin
So something to keep an eye on next year as we are trying to guess who they may take under Stevens.
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Post by cdj on Jun 28, 2024 6:51:46 GMT -5
Watson seems like an interesting possible end of bench guy. Can switch 1 through 5. Until further notice he is our new Ojeleye (Semi is crushing it in Europe btw)
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Post by dcb26 on Jun 28, 2024 8:34:09 GMT -5
Watson seems like an interesting possible end of bench guy. Can switch 1 through 5. Until further notice he is our new Ojeleye (Semi is crushing it in Europe btw) Yeah, the part of me that doesn't love the pick thinks "his absolute upside is something like Daniel Theis" (not that that would be a bad outcome, just unremarkable) - but the other part of me hears about a strong versatile defender with good size, who shot over 40% from 3 last year, and is apparently an elite teammate/intangibles guy, and can't help but be intrigued
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Post by rjp313jr on Jun 28, 2024 9:00:16 GMT -5
Watson seems like an interesting possible end of bench guy. Can switch 1 through 5. Until further notice he is our new Ojeleye (Semi is crushing it in Europe btw) Yeah, the part of me that doesn't love the pick thinks "his absolute upside is something like Daniel Theis" (not that that would be a bad outcome, just unremarkable) - but the other part of me hears about a strong versatile defender with good size, who shot over 40% from 3 last year, and is apparently an elite teammate/intangibles guy, and can't help but be intrigued If you get anything useful out of that part of the draft, it’s a huge win.
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Post by cdj on Jun 28, 2024 9:20:38 GMT -5
Watson seems like an interesting possible end of bench guy. Can switch 1 through 5. Until further notice he is our new Ojeleye (Semi is crushing it in Europe btw) Yeah, the part of me that doesn't love the pick thinks "his absolute upside is something like Daniel Theis" (not that that would be a bad outcome, just unremarkable) - but the other part of me hears about a strong versatile defender with good size, who shot over 40% from 3 last year, and is apparently an elite teammate/intangibles guy, and can't help but be intrigued Speak of the devil Honestly? I’d love it
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jun 28, 2024 11:04:58 GMT -5
There's a massive difference in switching 1-5 in College and doing it in the NBA. The very best College teams aren't filled with tons of good elite athletes. Look at Connecticut and some teams that have some like Kentucky, they are mostly freshman.
It takes elite defenders to be able to truly guard 1-5 in NBA, guys like KG and Robert Williams. Watson isn't close to an elite athlete. Run jump he's like Scheierman, but he's way slower in speed and agility tests. Lesser vertical than Hauser, but weighs more with a bigger wingspan. So if he's mastered playing physical and reached his absolutely peak he could be good. He's still not guarding 1-5 in the NBA right now. He needs another 10-15 pounds to handle most centers and he needs to get a lot quicker to guard the quick guards in the NBA.
If you loved him, you could have easily done a deal to sign him right after the draft. Heck Minnesota traded all it's late picks because they had a deal lined up for Justin Edwards. So they got a bunch of extra picks and the guy they would have drafted. It's part of the draft and they even talked about it on TV.
I don't have anything against Watson, but Kevin McCullar Jr was there for the taking. A player who's a defender like Holiday and White. Even if his shot never fully develops he's a similar type guy to Smart. He only dropped because he was injured and couldn't workout. Was front runner for College player of the year before he got injured. Worst yet Suns traded him to Knicks, because that great defensive coach wanted him. Draft McCullar Jr and then sign Watson, Stevens has a grand slam draft. I had McCullar as a fringe first rounder and that's basically because he's injured.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jun 28, 2024 11:06:39 GMT -5
Yeah, the part of me that doesn't love the pick thinks "his absolute upside is something like Daniel Theis" (not that that would be a bad outcome, just unremarkable) - but the other part of me hears about a strong versatile defender with good size, who shot over 40% from 3 last year, and is apparently an elite teammate/intangibles guy, and can't help but be intrigued Speak of the devil Honestly? I’d love it Didn't we already learn that he's not a great fit in a switch everything D? He was great with Stevens playing under his defensive system, but our current system is much different and he was a huge disappointment in his 2nd stint.
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Post by dcb26 on Jun 28, 2024 11:36:18 GMT -5
To clarify my original statement about Watson-as-Theis, that would absolutely be a huge win for a late 2nd-rounder - just not that exciting of a possibility to dream on. I do agree that I don't see Theis as a great fit on this team at this point, though. As Umass says he didn't seem to fit the new defensive style very well, and the offense tended to go completely stagnant as well as soon as he got on the court (to be fair, that may have had as much to do with Theis and Smart being on the court together a fair amount, as two offensive black holes are a lot harder to work around than one.) Mostly though, I just think he would be something like the 9th or 10th best player on the Celtics if they brought him back - something I doubt he'd be happy with, and I'd rather see them play small more or give young/longshot players more of a chance to develop. Porzingis should hopefully be back by the time it starts to matter anyway.
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Post by cdj on Jun 28, 2024 15:43:21 GMT -5
I don’t think Theis is particularly good but if they’re looking for a veteran big at league min he’s probably one of the better options. Maybe they can entice a guy like Drummond but he’s not an ideal fit either. The guys that can switch everything are probably going for more than league min
Plus I’d like to see him come back and win a ring for sentimental purposes, being an important piece on some of those teams that laid the foundation for them to be where they are today
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Post by rjp313jr on Jun 28, 2024 15:54:34 GMT -5
I don’t think Theis is particularly good but if they’re looking for a veteran big at league min he’s probably one of the better options. Maybe they can entice a guy like Drummond but he’s not an ideal fit either. The guys that can switch everything are probably going for more than league min Plus I’d like to see him come back and win a ring for sentimental purposes, being an important piece on some of those teams that laid the foundation for them to be where they are today I’d take Mo Bamba on a league minimum deal.
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Post by cdj on Jun 28, 2024 16:05:04 GMT -5
I don’t think Theis is particularly good but if they’re looking for a veteran big at league min he’s probably one of the better options. Maybe they can entice a guy like Drummond but he’s not an ideal fit either. The guys that can switch everything are probably going for more than league min Plus I’d like to see him come back and win a ring for sentimental purposes, being an important piece on some of those teams that laid the foundation for them to be where they are today I’d take Mo Bamba on a league minimum deal. He’d be a very good add I think Plus I can see him having a big game against Philly that makes us all chuckle
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jun 28, 2024 21:11:00 GMT -5
Well the first clues come tomorrow, June 29th is the option date for all of our non-guaranteed contracts. Hauser, Walsh and Queta. I want to see more Queta personally, then again I'm biased as I loved him as a prospect out of Utah State.
I would absolutely go after Mo Bamba but it likely means no Kornet and that's fine with me, yet some of you love him.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jun 28, 2024 21:25:57 GMT -5
To clarify my original statement about Watson-as-Theis, that would absolutely be a huge win for a late 2nd-rounder - just not that exciting of a possibility to dream on. I do agree that I don't see Theis as a great fit on this team at this point, though. As Umass says he didn't seem to fit the new defensive style very well, and the offense tended to go completely stagnant as well as soon as he got on the court (to be fair, that may have had as much to do with Theis and Smart being on the court together a fair amount, as two offensive black holes are a lot harder to work around than one.) Mostly though, I just think he would be something like the 9th or 10th best player on the Celtics if they brought him back - something I doubt he'd be happy with, and I'd rather see them play small more or give young/longshot players more of a chance to develop. Porzingis should hopefully be back by the time it starts to matter anyway. My response was about Theis coming back. I don't think Watson is currently Theis either. Maybe as he gets older and yeah it wouldn't be a horrible outcome. I just think Watson is more of a PF, guy to replace Brissett on the cheap than a center like Theis. Let's hope he can play good D without fouling the way Theis did in our current switch everything D. It certainly isn't a horrible pick, I just bitch because I loved McCullar Jr and I get way too into the draft process. If he's switchable on D, plays good D, keeps playing high IQ basketball and keeps improving his 3 point shot it could be a very good pick. I'd just say he's a better more skilled version of Brissett than Theis.
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Post by Don Caballero on Jun 28, 2024 21:47:16 GMT -5
I’d take Theis over Mid Bamba 11 times out of 10, this is not even a question for me. When in doubt, always sign OUR guys!
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jun 28, 2024 22:03:14 GMT -5
Mo Bama rebounds better, blocks more shots, gets more steals and can take way more 3 point shots per 36 minutes than Theis, while being a much better shooter. They both foul too much, at least with Bamba you can dream on the coaching staff developing him as he's still young. There isn't a better place for Bamba than the Celtics and frankly it just feels like it needs to happen.
I love Theis, he was great under Stevens. It's just a much different system and like with Smart, sometimes it's a good thing to move on. I'd prefer Tillman over Theis and can really get behind Queta, Tillman and Bamba as bench bigs.
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Post by Don Caballero on Jun 28, 2024 22:49:48 GMT -5
Mo Bama rebounds better, blocks more shots, gets more steals and can take way more 3 point shots per 36 minutes than Theis, while being a much better shooter. They both foul too much, at least with Bamba you can dream on the coaching staff developing him as he's still young. There isn't a better place for Bamba than the Celtics and frankly it just feels like it needs to happen. I love Theis, he was great under Stevens. It's just a much different system and like with Smart, sometimes it's a good thing to move on. I'd prefer Tillman over Theis and can really get behind Queta, Tillman and Bamba as bench bigs. Just to clarify how I feel on this, if these guys are our options for the role, I'd rather have them (in order): 1- Tillman; 2- Kornet; 3- Queta; 4- Theis; 5- Bamba.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jun 29, 2024 6:18:13 GMT -5
I'd say Tillman, Queta, Bamba, Kornet and not Theis. That's also going off Tillman in prior seasons, not what he did on the Celtics.
If Saric wants to take another Veteran minimum to chase a Championship, I'm all over that. We can use another shooter as a big.
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Post by jodyreidnichols on Jun 29, 2024 10:27:23 GMT -5
I believed all year just as I have for the past 3. Right. I guess I consume sports differently than many of y'all -- I don't need validation of a team's worth for me to enjoy their performances. When they play good team basketball, win or lose, I enjoy watching. I enjoy it more when they win because as Herm Edwards says, That's why they play. Plus I assume that's meaningful for the players, and they just entertained me for 2 1/2 hours, so let them enjoy a meaningful win. Ditto for winning a title. My life changes exactly zero. I neither gain nor lose. But I am happy for the players on my chosen team -- I assume their life improves in some meaningful way, so good for them. It feels good that strangers who I have come to admire & like receive rewards for their efforts that I have enjoyed watching. Good for them. Beyond that, I don't get the fuss. Truly. I heard a guy (celebrity caller who calls all the shows) on SiriusXM call in the Tuesday morning after the Celtics won the title and pronounce, "I am a champion!" The hosts indulged him; I'm not sure why. He's a dude living in Chicago that best I can guess never even attended a game -- what hand did he have in the Celtics winning? What makes him a champion? I guess I need listen to less of that sort of thing or maybe just think less about it. I'm behind in the post here, read some at work but I won't sign in there. You and I and a few others have a healthy view of the process. I can get crazy in the moment but it passes unusually very quickly. Maybe that's wisdom finally happening. The people who often call themselves realist are afraid to fully buy in to protect their own feelings in case the train comes off the track. I find that to be honest rather very pathetic. And frankly I don't care how they feel and view things except when they attempt to bring the masses into their own private (Idaho) quagmire. Misery loves company and that's what it is, misery. The rest of us, the believers and the fence sitters don't need that negativity, that is truly for losers with that mind set. So even after winning it this year, their will be those among us here wo will cry they will never repeat because, insert reason x here. Even if in the end the team does not reach it's goal the journey is as important as the destination, enjoy the process, the failures and the growth the go with it. Without the journey there is no destination it's a ying yang thang. I view sports much like a closer does in baseball. Enjoy the moment and quickly turn the page.
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Post by jodyreidnichols on Jun 29, 2024 21:00:16 GMT -5
Well the first clues come tomorrow, June 29th is the option date for all of our non-guaranteed contracts. Hauser, Walsh and Queta. I want to see more Queta personally, then again I'm biased as I loved him as a prospect out of Utah State. I would absolutely go after Mo Bamba but it likely means no Kornet and that's fine with me, yet some of you love him. i like Kornet and still agree with you.
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Post by cdj on Jun 29, 2024 21:49:19 GMT -5
I like this guy, probably gets more than minimum tho
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Post by Don Caballero on Jun 29, 2024 22:14:29 GMT -5
I'd say Tillman, Queta, Bamba, Kornet and not Theis. That's also going off Tillman in prior seasons, not what he did on the Celtics. If Saric wants to take another Veteran minimum to chase a Championship, I'm all over that. We can use another shooter as a big. I'm a HUGE Saric fan, been pretty vocal about it too, ever since his Philly days. Good shooter, good passer, good defender. Somehow turned 30 just the other day. If he can be had, I hope Brad acts strong and fast.
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