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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jul 10, 2024 13:11:48 GMT -5
My two cents is that Watson is playing for a regular or two way contract. While also giving you time to see if some Veteran like Saric takes a minimum level deal.
I'd go sign Kessler Edwards to a 3 year deal, at Veteran minimum with last two years team options. Then sign Watson to a two way deal. Let Walsh battle Edwards.
A lot of good stuff to watch on summer league, but how does Springer look? He should look good given his experience, but we'll see.
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Post by cdj on Jul 10, 2024 19:01:40 GMT -5
My two cents is that Watson is playing for a regular or two way contract. While also giving you time to see if some Veteran like Saric takes a minimum level deal. I'd go sign Kessler Edwards to a 3 year deal, at Veteran minimum with last two years team options. Then sign Watson to a two way deal. Let Walsh battle Edwards. A lot of good stuff to watch on summer league, but how does Springer look? He should look good given his experience, but we'll see. Saric signed with the nuggets then promptly got choked out by a bouncer at a club (totally serious)
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Post by philarhody on Jul 11, 2024 7:58:29 GMT -5
Sam Vecenie was mentioning that the Celtics could potentially get under the 2nd apron if they traded Payton Pritchard, Springer and something else. If that’s the case, you gotta do it. Trading Pritchard for an extra year or two of Jrue/White is worth it imo.
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Post by rjp313jr on Jul 11, 2024 10:23:28 GMT -5
Sam Vecenie was mentioning that the Celtics could potentially get under the 2nd apron if they traded Payton Pritchard, Springer and something else. If that’s the case, you gotta do it. Trading Pritchard for an extra year or two of Jrue/White is worth it imo. Sure, if Jones will sign for the vet min.
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Post by benogliviesbrother on Jul 11, 2024 12:29:07 GMT -5
Sam Vecenie was mentioning that the Celtics could potentially get under the 2nd apron if they traded Payton Pritchard, Springer and something else. If that’s the case, you gotta do it. Trading Pritchard for an extra year or two of Jrue/White is worth it imo. Clearly you two do not believe in an afterlife -- know that it will be VERY hot down there.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jul 11, 2024 12:44:07 GMT -5
The NBA is finalizing a new TV contract for 75 Billion, which means maximum 10% growth in cap for years! One of these days I have to do research to see if the new CBA tax tiers grow with the cap, as I pointed out it would make a massive difference! It makes perfect sense, revenue with explode, yet spending will be capped because once again the Warriors signing Durant.
That money hits next year when the tax bills will start to get crazy.
You get a new owner willing to pay it and see how they do, there's an opening after Porzingis contract expires to get back under if you want.
Imagine breaking off pieces of the Warriors after they first Won a championship! Nevermind Curry talking about Warriors being last dynasty really upsets me, let's at least give them a chance!
It's in two years that keeping Pritchard will cost crazy money. I've seen minimum guys will cost $20 million in tax.
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Post by rjp313jr on Jul 11, 2024 14:17:30 GMT -5
The NBA is finalizing a new TV contract for 75 Billion, which means maximum 10% growth in cap for years! One of these days I have to do research to see if the new CBA tax tiers grow with the cap, as I pointed out it would make a massive difference! It makes perfect sense, revenue with explode, yet spending will be capped because once again the Warriors signing Durant. That money hits next year when the tax bills will start to get crazy. You get a new owner willing to pay it and see how they do, there's an opening after Porzingis contract expires to get back under if you want. Imagine breaking off pieces of the Warriors after they first Won a championship! Nevermind Curry talking about Warriors being last dynasty really upsets me, let's at least give them a chance! It's in two years that keeping Pritchard will cost crazy money. I've seen minimum guys will cost $20 million in tax. Tax does grow same 10%
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Post by Don Caballero on Jul 11, 2024 23:12:56 GMT -5
Sam Vecenie was mentioning that the Celtics could potentially get under the 2nd apron if they traded Payton Pritchard, Springer and something else. If that’s the case, you gotta do it. Trading Pritchard for an extra year or two of Jrue/White is worth it imo. Soxprospect user Don Caballero talked about it too earlier in the thread. Trouble is, who are you going to replace Fast PP with? I love Sam Hauser, but I don’t trust him to be our whole bench offense. And if Jrue or White go down, you’re boned.
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Post by jmei on Jul 12, 2024 6:18:55 GMT -5
I’d rather have better depth next year in what I know will be a legitimate championship window than worry about theoretical cap benefits a few years from now.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jul 12, 2024 12:48:15 GMT -5
Jaylen Brown stealing the show with his new GF at ESPY awards show.
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Post by rjp313jr on Jul 12, 2024 13:20:25 GMT -5
Jaylen Brown stealing the show with his new GF at ESPY awards show. Maybe it’s because I’m getting old or maybe because it’s because I have young daughters but my first reaction to her dress was “why do women just wear lingerie and call it a dress?”
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jul 12, 2024 15:38:39 GMT -5
Jaylen Brown stealing the show with his new GF at ESPY awards show. Maybe it’s because I’m getting old or maybe because it’s because I have young daughters but my first reaction to her dress was “why do women just wear lingerie and call it a dress?” It could be multiple reasons, but if I had to guess it's money and one of those once in a lifetime career moves. Given it seems her Basketball career might be over. Her and Brown just got so much free advertising it's not even funny. Heck she might help Brown get some endorsements. He's been a rather private person and things like this change that in a big way. It's funny you talk about getting old, I dont think I'm that old, but wow how things change with the younger generations. I was first generation with explosion of internet, most houses having computers and everyone having cellphones when I hit college. The new generation is the generation of everyone has a smart phone usually before they even get a job. The money to be made in social media is crazy.
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Post by philarhody on Jul 12, 2024 18:23:24 GMT -5
I’d rather have better depth next year in what I know will be a legitimate championship window than worry about theoretical cap benefits a few years from now. I get it but it’s Payton Pritchard. There’s a legitimate chance that Baylor Scheierman and Jordan Walsh are better than he is now.
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Post by rjp313jr on Jul 12, 2024 20:49:54 GMT -5
I’d rather have better depth next year in what I know will be a legitimate championship window than worry about theoretical cap benefits a few years from now. I get it but it’s Payton Pritchard. There’s a legitimate chance that Baylor Scheierman and Jordan Walsh are better than he is now. Can I get a percentage for this “legitimate” word you are using? 5% is the max I’m willing to go and that’s for Baylor, less a lot less for Walsh.
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Post by philarhody on Jul 12, 2024 20:52:05 GMT -5
I get it but it’s Payton Pritchard. There’s a legitimate chance that Baylor Scheierman and Jordan Walsh are better than he is now. Can I get a percentage for this “legitimate” word you are using? 5% is the max I’m willing to go and that’s for Baylor, less a lot less for Walsh. 43.7 percent. How did you embed that nifty gif?
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Post by jmei on Jul 12, 2024 22:21:18 GMT -5
Pritchard is a legitimately good player on a good contract. They’re just so deep that it’s easy to overlook him.
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Post by cdj on Jul 13, 2024 1:25:52 GMT -5
Da’Ron Holmes tore his Achilles, that sucks. Nuggets will always have a chance with Jokic/Murray but the vibe seems off there now, I think they’re getting further away from a championship not closer
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jul 13, 2024 1:34:35 GMT -5
Given how good the team was, how good Pritchard and Hauser were is kinda lost in the shuffle. They were both very good, starting level players on playoff teams good. It's one of the reasons we were so dominant. Mavs fans are talking themselves into a guy like Marshall being a difference makers as a starter for a Championship. We have arguably better reserves.
Walsh is likely years away, I'd love for him to start by replacing Brissett. That would be a great solid start. I love Scheierman and he'll help next year, not likely close to Pritchard level though. NBA a big adjustment for any rookie and he likely needs a year or two to get his D right like Hauser.
Then again if you think Walsh is the best defender on the Celtics you see things differently than I do.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jul 13, 2024 1:36:41 GMT -5
Da’Ron Holmes tore his Achilles, that sucks. Nuggets will always have a chance with Jokic/Murray but the vibe seems off their now, I think they’re getting further away from a championship not closer The simple fact that's a big blow tells it all. Owners placing the tax over Championships. They have lost a lot of pieces from that Championship team. I do feel for Holmes, love the guy and that sucks.
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Post by rjp313jr on Jul 13, 2024 6:22:08 GMT -5
Can I get a percentage for this “legitimate” word you are using? 5% is the max I’m willing to go and that’s for Baylor, less a lot less for Walsh. 43.7 percent. How did you embed that nifty gif? I use the app on my phone and there’s a GIF button at the bottom next to where the photo button is.
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Post by philarhody on Jul 13, 2024 7:17:06 GMT -5
Given how good the team was, how good Pritchard and Hauser were is kinda lost in the shuffle. They were both very good, starting level players on playoff teams good. It's one of the reasons we were so dominant. Mavs fans are talking themselves into a guy like Marshall being a difference makers as a starter for a Championship. We have arguably better reserves. Walsh is likely years away, I'd love for him to start by replacing Brissett. That would be a great solid start. I love Scheierman and he'll help next year, not likely close to Pritchard level though. NBA a big adjustment for any rookie and he likely needs a year or two to get his D right like Hauser. Then again if you think Walsh is the best defender on the Celtics you see things differently than I do. I think Pritchard is awesome. He might even start for an nba team or two. But Pritchard was the Celtics’ ninth most important player in the finals. I thought Walsh was the Celtics’ best man defender the day he was drafted. That was wrong. His awareness and effort is inconsistent on that end. For what it is worth, I actually think he is a better overall player than I expected. I thought he was a close to zero offensively and I think he could be much more than that as soon as this season. I think there is a real chance Scheierman becomes a primary for this team at points this season. He’s already talked about how he is working on his pick and roll reads, which tells me that the team is leaning toward him playing with the ball in his hands at times. Again, we are talking about 9th, 10th, and 11th men off the bench. This is not Denver letting their third best player walk for cash, or even the Warriors letting Bogut go.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jul 13, 2024 10:43:26 GMT -5
Pritchard can start for way more than a few teams and his best role is probably 6th man scorer off the bench for a title contender. Dig deeper and you see a crazy efficient scorer based on usage with a very high assist rate, with a very low turnover rate. Like add him to Wolves and he changes that team, why they traded up to get a similar type player in the draft. Heck he's probably a better fit for Mavs playing with Doncic than Irving is.
He's basically become a Lou Williams or Jamal Crawford type player.
While that might be true for the finals when his shot went cold over 5 games, that's not true for the whole season or even rest of the playoffs. He's in the conversation as your top back up with Horford and Hauser. Those 3 combined give you the best bench in the NBA and 100% fit this team's play style. He also sets a great example playing 100% all season long.
You wouldn't judge Hauser by his horrible Pscers series would you?
You need to be crazy careful using G-League stats and highlights to project players roles in the NBA. I like Walsh upside, but he's still years away from coming anywhere near the impactful player Pritchard is on a championship team. Like I said, I'll be happy if he can assume Brissett role and be a 1.5 to 2 winshare player.
Scheierman during a few games when guys are injured could do that, sure he's that skilled on offense. That's not him becoming a 5 or 6 winshare player though and he's further behind on D moving his feet than Pritchard was, he's more like Hauser on D as a rookie. Took Hauser to year 3 for his D to make a huge leap. Remember he's your typical college leading scorer who applies most of his engery on offense and doesn't yet now how to play 100% on both sides of the game.
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Post by philarhody on Jul 13, 2024 20:23:19 GMT -5
Pritchard can start for way more than a few teams and his best role is probably 6th man scorer off the bench for a title contender. Dig deeper and you see a crazy efficient scorer based on usage with a very high assist rate, with a very low turnover rate. Like add him to Wolves and he changes that team, why they traded up to get a similar type player in the draft. Heck he's probably a better fit for Mavs playing with Doncic than Irving is. He's basically become a Lou Williams or Jamal Crawford type player. While that might be true for the finals when his shot went cold over 5 games, that's not true for the whole season or even rest of the playoffs. He's in the conversation as your top back up with Horford and Hauser. Those 3 combined give you the best bench in the NBA and 100% fit this team's play style. He also sets a great example playing 100% all season long. You wouldn't judge Hauser by his horrible Pscers series would you? You need to be crazy careful using G-League stats and highlights to project players roles in the NBA. I like Walsh upside, but he's still years away from coming anywhere near the impactful player Pritchard is on a championship team. Like I said, I'll be happy if he can assume Brissett role and be a 1.5 to 2 winshare player. Scheierman during a few games when guys are injured could do that, sure he's that skilled on offense. That's not him becoming a 5 or 6 winshare player though and he's further behind on D moving his feet than Pritchard was, he's more like Hauser on D as a rookie. Took Hauser to year 3 for his D to make a huge leap. Remember he's your typical college leading scorer who applies most of his engery on offense and doesn't yet now how to play 100% on both sides of the game. You could have just said “I think Payton Pritchard is a better fit in Dallas than Kyrie.” I would have just stopped the back and forth at that point.
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Post by Don Caballero on Jul 13, 2024 20:34:35 GMT -5
I’d rather have better depth next year in what I know will be a legitimate championship window than worry about theoretical cap benefits a few years from now. For the sake of clarity here, I do NOT want to trade Fast PP and there’s no way I could defend such move. My point is, if they WANT to go under the second apron, they flat out could. They shouldn’t, but they could.
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Post by philarhody on Jul 13, 2024 20:36:53 GMT -5
Some G league impressions:
Jaden Springer: great game shooting, didn’t like that he got tunnel vision on drives later in the game. Jordan Walsh: horrendous offensive game. Forced all kinds of threes that weren’t there. Hopefully that’s a sign that the shot is real and he was just forcing things. Scheierman: played within himself after a slow start. Love him coming out of dho’s. Davison: good shooting night! Had some rough turnovers and isn’t a defensive positive. Watson: Loved his play. Didn’t do a single bad thing all night and had some plus moments Jah’mius Ramsey: this guy had a strap coming out of college and was a favorite amongst draft Twitter. I liked him tonight.
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