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Post by kevfc89 on May 31, 2024 20:11:18 GMT -5
ump is awful
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Post by soxfansince67 on May 31, 2024 20:15:12 GMT -5
Didn't Butch Hobson have 100 RBI from the 9 hole a long time ago? 77 or 78 and hit around 200 1977 - .265-30-112. Also struck out 162 times. And made 23 errors - but in 1978 he made 43!
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Post by dirtdog on May 31, 2024 20:23:55 GMT -5
77 or 78 and hit around 200 1977 - .265-30-112. Also struck out 162 times. And made 23 errors - but in 1978 he made 43! Then a few years later traded him for Carney Lansford.
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Post by Oregon Norm on May 31, 2024 20:24:41 GMT -5
Ceddanne would be on pace for a passable 1+ WAR season if you pretend his bad metrics at SS were replaced by more of his excellent CF metrics If you're referencing Fangraphs and it's numbers you can have them, please. I'm not sure what's going on with that site but their estimates fail the eye test. By comparison, BR has Rafaela's defense with positive WAR and the offense will probably be increasing now that he's starting to hit. This is his MO from the minors I'll add. He would move to a new level and it would take him a while to start cranking, then the hits came. I'm glad the team has been patient with him.
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Post by oldfaithful2019 on May 31, 2024 20:25:48 GMT -5
I wish people tracked RBI per men on base. It would be interesting to see whether Ceddanne is just driving everyone in or if he's getting a lot of chances with men on base from the 9-spot. Years ago the broadcast ( wsbk ? ) prior to the nesn days would show the BA, HR, RBI the first time a hitter come up. In subsequent AB's they would focus on and flash one different stat about that hitter and talk about it. I would love to hear more talk about B.A.R.I.S.P. RBI as a raw stat is an opportunity based number based on what other batters did. BARISP tells the tale of how the batter did with those opportunities which is really what matters.
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Post by soxfansince67 on May 31, 2024 20:43:30 GMT -5
Ceddanne - Tanner - and Hamilton.
Nice effort. Back to .500. Got to turn that magnet off and start getting above that level.
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Post by Foulke_In_Athol on May 31, 2024 20:44:16 GMT -5
Another nice Houck night and Rafeala takes another step toward showing what he can be.
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Post by bluechip on May 31, 2024 20:46:19 GMT -5
Can I say, the Apple TV reporter looks ridiculous wearing those Apple headphones interviewing players.
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Post by soxfansince67 on May 31, 2024 20:49:30 GMT -5
The future core is emerging. Duran - Raffy - Abreu - Cedanne - Connor. Not sold on Grissom yet.
Bello - Houck - Crawford - Slaten - Whitlock.
Then the help that will come that are playing at Portland.
Going to take some patience.
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Post by Guidas on May 31, 2024 20:54:25 GMT -5
Great win!
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Post by soxfansince67 on May 31, 2024 21:44:09 GMT -5
Spitballing a possible way forward - keep the outfield of Duran, Rafaela and Abreu. Keep the infield of Devers, Hamilton....put Valdez at second, DH Romy, or Romy at first and DH Refsnyder - send Grissom to Woo to get his stroke back, bring Bobby D back up to get some time in somewhere - and Wong as primary C.
Getting Smith, Cooper and Grissom out of the line up would hopefully provide some offensive consistency.
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Post by kevfc89 on May 31, 2024 23:59:49 GMT -5
The MLB.com article on tonight's game mentioned the change in Rafaela's setup/hand positioning that I noticed a few days ago. I don't know how much I trust Fatse guiding Rafaela's hitting tweaks, but it was a promising outcome tonight and hopefully it works for him and he gets in a groove here.
'BOSTON -- In recent days, at the suggestion of members of the coaching staff, Ceddanne Rafaela lowered his hands in his setup, hoping to emerge from a batting slump that has hovered over him for most of the last two months.
If Friday night was any indication, the tweaks are starting to pay off.....
While the defense has always been Rafaela’s natural gift, he had spent a substantial amount of time working on his new hand positioning in the batting cage before the tweaks were game ready.
“Yeah, I think working in the cage is where it started and then when I was 100 percent [confident] about it, I did it in the game,” Rafaela said. “I think at this level, you have to make adjustments.”'
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Post by gerry on Jun 1, 2024 1:43:40 GMT -5
The game announcers mentioned that he hit abysmally in his first 27 games and since then is batting .260. Higher now. He, Abreu and Hamilton were generally expected to start the season in AAA. Injuries brought them up. Look at them now. And these rookies keep getting better. In fact about a dozen on this MLB team, like Romy and Criswell, began the season elsewhere. Over .500 on June 1 is quite an accomplishment. And some core players are getting well. Nice.
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Post by cdj on Jun 1, 2024 7:43:50 GMT -5
Ceddanne is addicted to RBI
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Post by scottysmalls on Jun 1, 2024 8:08:39 GMT -5
Ceddanne would be on pace for a passable 1+ WAR season if you pretend his bad metrics at SS were replaced by more of his excellent CF metrics If you're referencing Fangraphs and it's numbers you can have them, please. I'm not sure what's going on with that site but their estimates fail the eye test. By comparison, BR has Rafaela's defense with positive WAR and the offense will probably be increasing now that he's starting to hit. This is his MO from the minors I'll add. He would move to a new level and it would take him a while to start cranking, then the hits came. I'm glad the team has been patient with him. The numbers aren’t that different. He rates really poorly at shortstop by every defensive metric, just slightly worse by OAA than DRS. Given that DRS does not consider positional data I don’t know why you’d ever use it over OAA for infielders, but it doesn’t really matter. I also think Fangraphs uses a better base running metric now that they use Savant’s XBR, though I don’t know which site rates him more favorably on the bases. Also, I disagree with what you say about the eye test. He looked bad at shortstop to me and looks awesome in centerfield and that’s exactly what the numbers say. I wouldn’t play him in the infield again unless they have to. In the end though I think we’re all excited about Rafaela moving forward.
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Post by scottysmalls on Jun 1, 2024 8:26:51 GMT -5
I wish people tracked RBI per men on base. It would be interesting to see whether Ceddanne is just driving everyone in or if he's getting a lot of chances with men on base from the 9-spot. Not exactly what you’re asking but his average with men in scoring position is .276 compared to .192 with the bases empty. I think it’s just a fluke thing though. Most of his success is coming in low leverage moments so basically men in scoring position, game not close is when he is performing the best. Although, he has only 20 high leverage PAs, but those have been really good (150 wRC+), in medium leverage he has a -14. His batted ball profile is a lot different with men on vs the bases empty but it’s also different in medium vs low leverage situations, it all just seems noisy and random to me right now.
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Post by shagworthy on Jun 1, 2024 8:28:27 GMT -5
Looking like Casas is going to be out for an extended period of time based on the article on WEEI about him not even swinging yet because he still has residual pain.
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Post by ephus on Jun 1, 2024 8:47:51 GMT -5
I wish people tracked RBI per men on base. It would be interesting to see whether Ceddanne is just driving everyone in or if he's getting a lot of chances with men on base from the 9-spot. Ceddanne is like a fruit tree. You get rewarded in huge bunches, but you’ll definitely have to buy fruit 11 months of the year. I just wish we could make jam and bbq sauce out of RBIs.
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Post by notstarboard on Jun 1, 2024 8:49:17 GMT -5
Why not have Duran steal there? Very uninspiring play. It came up a few weeks ago....Cora has discouraged him from stealing 🤡
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Post by rhswanzey on Jun 1, 2024 8:56:24 GMT -5
I wish people tracked RBI per men on base. It would be interesting to see whether Ceddanne is just driving everyone in or if he's getting a lot of chances with men on base from the 9-spot. Ceddanne is like a fruit tree. You get rewarded in huge bunches, but you’ll definitely have to buy fruit 11 months of the year. I just wish we could make jam and bbq sauce out of RBIs. Are sliders low and away the Japanese Beetles devouring his leaves in this simile? Perhaps there is some sort of spin recognition mason jar we can preserve more of the fruit in.
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Post by nomar on Jun 1, 2024 9:21:16 GMT -5
Rafaela with some interesting splits:
Low Leverage 115 wRC+ Medium Leverage -14 High Leverage 150
Bases Empty 49 Runners On 86 RISP 114
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Post by asm18 on Jun 1, 2024 9:31:27 GMT -5
The MLB.com article on tonight's game mentioned the change in Rafaela's setup/hand positioning that I noticed a few days ago. I don't know how much I trust Fatse guiding Rafaela's hitting tweaks, but it was a promising outcome tonight and hopefully it works for him and he gets in a groove here. 'BOSTON -- In recent days, at the suggestion of members of the coaching staff, Ceddanne Rafaela lowered his hands in his setup, hoping to emerge from a batting slump that has hovered over him for most of the last two months.
If Friday night was any indication, the tweaks are starting to pay off.....
While the defense has always been Rafaela’s natural gift, he had spent a substantial amount of time working on his new hand positioning in the batting cage before the tweaks were game ready.
“Yeah, I think working in the cage is where it started and then when I was 100 percent [confident] about it, I did it in the game,” Rafaela said. “I think at this level, you have to make adjustments.”' They made this same change (lowering hand position) with Devers and Wong as well in Spring Training. With how late Ceddanne had been on fastballs something like this always made sense, but I would imagine it’s hard for anybody - much less a rookie - to make such sort of tweaks during the season. Kudos to Ceddanne for adjusting
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Post by ancientsoxfogey on Jun 1, 2024 11:02:12 GMT -5
I just wish he wasn't our RBI leader a third of the way through the season out of the 9 hole with a 210 BA. When it comes to offense gotta take what we are given at this point though apparently. Didn't Butch Hobson have 100 RBI from the 9 hole a long time ago? 1977
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Post by asm18 on Jun 1, 2024 11:30:22 GMT -5
Duran LF, Abreu RF, Smith 1B, Devers 3B, Valdez DH, Grissom 2B, McGuire C, Rafaela CF, Hamilton SS
I’m sure everyone is going to be super chill about this lineup
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Post by scottysmalls on Jun 1, 2024 11:36:11 GMT -5
Is there any news on Cooper's health? He's been bad lately, but primarily in a PH role which he's historically struggled in, and generally seems like he should be a better player than Smith so I'd really like to start transitioning that way.
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