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Post by dirtywaterinla on Jul 11, 2024 13:14:57 GMT -5
Dom Smith has a 114 wRC+ going back to June 1. I’m not saying he’s a star or that he can’t be improved upon, but it’s not gonna be trivial to find a better first baseman. The players that will probably be available—Andrew Vaughn? Josh Bell?—have been worse this season. And it’s not like the market is flush with power-hitting second basemen. If they want to add a righty power bat, it’s probably gonna have to be in the outfield—which has been a main strength of the team for two years now—or at DH, where Rob Refsnyder has been one of the better hitters in baseball and is running a 161 wRC+ against lefties. Not gonna be easy to add a righty bat by any means. Honestly outside of Luis Robert Jr, you’re right — there’s zero known RHH power candidates out there that make sense for this team.
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Post by asm18 on Jul 11, 2024 14:02:08 GMT -5
Honestly outside of Luis Robert Jr, you’re right — there’s zero known RHH power candidates out there that make sense for this team. Luis Roberts Jr, Vladdy Jr… ya’ll are thinking of stars or starting caliber players, which I get. But the team seems pretty comfortable with the starting lineup they could have once healthy (AKA Casas return) - it’s the bench they might look to upgrade, which is where the “RH bat” thing floated out probably comes from. I like Romy Gonzalez - he’s toolsy and versatile and has had some clutch hits - but is there someone out there they like more? When do they expect Vaughn Grissom back? And if he comes back, do they plan to have him be the everyday 2B again as originally planned? What do they actually think of Enmannuel Valdez who they sent down ahead of a couple lefty starters? Your only other RHH on the 40 man are… Jamie Westbrook and Bobby Dalbec. I would imagine they’re not super comfortable with either one of those as playoff options… I’m not going to go out on a limb and say improving on these guys would be all that important or massive of an impact… but I doubt they’re looking at this group being like, “we can’t do better,” even if it’s just a minor addition.
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Post by dirtywaterinla on Jul 11, 2024 14:05:55 GMT -5
Honestly outside of Luis Robert Jr, you’re right — there’s zero known RHH power candidates out there that make sense for this team. Luis Roberts Jr, Vladdy Jr… ya’ll are thinking of stars or starting caliber players, which I get. But the team seems pretty comfortable with the starting lineup they could have once healthy (AKA Casas return) - it’s the bench they might look to upgrade, which is where the “RH bat” thing floated out probably comes from. I like Romy Gonzalez - he’s toolsy and versatile and has had some clutch hits - but is there someone out there they like more? When do they expect Vaughn Grissom back? And if he comes back, do they plan to have him be the everyday 2B again as originally planned? What do they actually think of Enmannuel Valdez who they sent down ahead of a couple lefty starters? Your only other RHH on the 40 man are… Jamie Westbrook and Bobby Dalbec. I would imagine they’re not super comfortable with either one of those as playoff options… I’m not going to go out on a limb and say improving on these guys would be all that important or massive of an impact… but I doubt they’re looking at this group being like, “we can’t do better.” If it’s more of a bench/role RHH player, maybe Taylor Ward might be a fit? Can play OF and a little 1B & 3B.
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Post by asm18 on Jul 11, 2024 15:02:29 GMT -5
Aaron Civale with a pitching duel against Paul Skenes today… Who’s an underperforming starter you can buy low on like Brewers seemingly just did?
(Told him to ditch 4 seamers hmmmm…)
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Post by ematz1423 on Jul 11, 2024 15:04:07 GMT -5
Ha yea maybe the Sox should have been all over Civale, sounds like the Brewers gave him the Sox pitching gameplan of scrapping 4 seamers.
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Post by julyanmorley on Jul 11, 2024 15:04:40 GMT -5
Kinda interesting that guy has hopped from smart team to smart team to smart team and each one wanted him to completely overhaul what he was doing. I would think there would be more agreement
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Post by ematz1423 on Jul 11, 2024 15:08:41 GMT -5
Kinda interesting that guy has hopped from smart team to smart team to smart team and each one wanted him to completely overhaul what he was doing. I would think there would be more agreement Good point here, if I put together a power ranking of teams that seem to be able to develop and harness pitchers better than just about anyone in the league the Guardians, Rays and Brewers would be maybe the top 3. Yet here we are and each team has seemingly asked him to do something else within the span of a year or so now. Just goes to show you that there is no one size fits all plan with pitchers in the MLB.
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Post by jimoh on Jul 11, 2024 16:21:23 GMT -5
Justin Turner has a 106 wRC+. He's 39. He broke down at the end of last season. I don't think he's a very safe bet to not be kind of disastrous. Turner's certainly old and certainly a risk, it seems important to notice that he was hitting 213 .298 .339 .637 on June 4 and has hit .300 .440 .400 .840 in the 25 games since then.
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Post by jimoh on Jul 11, 2024 16:22:48 GMT -5
Luis Roberts Jr, Vladdy Jr… ya’ll are thinking of stars or starting caliber players, which I get. But the team seems pretty comfortable with the starting lineup they could have once healthy (AKA Casas return) - it’s the bench they might look to upgrade, which is where the “RH bat” thing floated out probably comes from. I like Romy Gonzalez - he’s toolsy and versatile and has had some clutch hits - but is there someone out there they like more? When do they expect Vaughn Grissom back? And if he comes back, do they plan to have him be the everyday 2B again as originally planned? What do they actually think of Enmannuel Valdez who they sent down ahead of a couple lefty starters? Your only other RHH on the 40 man are… Jamie Westbrook and Bobby Dalbec. I would imagine they’re not super comfortable with either one of those as playoff options… I’m not going to go out on a limb and say improving on these guys would be all that important or massive of an impact… but I doubt they’re looking at this group being like, “we can’t do better.” If it’s more of a bench/role RHH player, maybe Taylor Ward might be a fit? Can play OF and a little 1B & 3B. Yesterday: "Pirates, Angels Reportedly Discussing Taylor Ward Trade" www.mlbtraderumors.com/2024/07/pirates-trade-rumors-taylor-ward-angels.html
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Post by dirtywaterinla on Jul 11, 2024 16:37:00 GMT -5
Yes, but was updated that nothing is close.
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Post by seamus on Jul 11, 2024 17:03:04 GMT -5
Reid Detmers is my dream target, but I feel like the Angels are almost as inscrutable as the Rockies. They might demand a king's ransom, and they also might trade him fora three-day old cup of Dunkin.
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Post by jimoh on Jul 11, 2024 17:17:15 GMT -5
Yes, but was updated that nothing is close. sure, not trying to squash your good idea, just offering info.
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Post by dirtywaterinla on Jul 11, 2024 17:37:22 GMT -5
Reid Detmers is my dream target, but I feel like the Angels are almost as inscrutable as the Rockies. They might demand a king's ransom, and they also might trade him fora three-day old cup of Dunkin. If Craig can get Deitmers as well as one of Fedde, Eflin or Taillon, that puts the SP rotation in pretty good shape this season and next.
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Post by LoneStarSox on Jul 11, 2024 17:50:03 GMT -5
Two words.
Brent Rooker
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Post by puzzler on Jul 11, 2024 18:17:30 GMT -5
I like Yoshida, but if he could be swapped out for Rooker, I'd probably do it. That said, Rooker may be pretty dang expensive (prospect wise). Phillies were reportedly interested. He probably is going to get very expensive next year (money wise), so Oakland may get the most for him now. He also can really only fill in occasionally in the outfield, so he's not a great fit unless you clear Yoshida. But as last night proves, this team desperately needs more good RH hitters and he would slot in perfectly between Devers and Casas.
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Post by nomar on Jul 11, 2024 18:20:27 GMT -5
I’d have an easier time believing they will go get a good DH if I thought it was possible to ditch Yoshida’s contract.
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Post by keninten on Jul 11, 2024 21:04:43 GMT -5
MLBTradeRumors doesn`t have the Sox as sellers at all. Hope we can get Flaherty.
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Post by carmenfanzone on Jul 11, 2024 21:21:16 GMT -5
Flaherty pitched really well for the Tigers against a good Cleveland team in his first game back from a sore back. Still wary of him because of his back, but we have to have at least one starter added before the trade deadline if we hope to stay in the race.
How much would the Tigers discount the price for Flaherty, a rental, if we took Baez's contract and gave them back Yoshida's contract? Baez's contract is 7 million a year more than Yoshida's for the same number of years. Baez is horrible right now as a hitter, but is probably a better defensive shortstop than anyone the Red Sox have other than Story. We could then use Hamilton exclusively at second and Rafaela mainly in center where they are both better than at short. Yoshida isn't taking our at bats at DH so we could rotate our extra outfielders there or get another right handed power bat to use there.
How much more would he Tigers want to balance the deal? And they wouldn't be interested in any of our numerous 2nd basemen since Colt Keith, after a slow start, looks like he might be the best rookie position player this year. Maybe that Garcia outfielder with the OPS over 1.000?
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Post by ematz1423 on Jul 11, 2024 21:28:22 GMT -5
Flaherty pitched really well for the Tigers against a good Cleveland team in his first game back from a sore back. Still wary of him because of his back, but we have to have at least one starter added before the trade deadline if we hope to stay in the race. How much would the Tigers discount the price for Flaherty, a rental, if we took Baez's contract and gave them back Yoshida's contract? Baez's contract is 7 million a year more than Yoshida's for the same number of years. Baez is horrible right now as a hitter, but is probably a better defensive shortstop than anyone the Red Sox have other than Story. We could then use Hamilton exclusively at second and Rafaela mainly in center where they are both better than at short. Yoshida isn't taking our at bats at DH so we could rotate our extra outfielders there or get another right handed power bat to use there. How much more would he Tigers want to balance the deal? And they wouldn't be interested in any of our numerous 2nd basemen since Colt Keith, after a slow start, looks like he might be the best rookie position player this year. Maybe that Garcia outfielder with the OPS over 1.000? So you want to take Flaherty and baez and give them yoshida and ask how much more the sox would have to give? The Tigers would have to give the sox back in insane package back for it to make any sense for the Sox to take baez. He's absolutely useless now.
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Post by puzzler on Jul 11, 2024 21:32:09 GMT -5
Flaherty pitched really well for the Tigers against a good Cleveland team in his first game back from a sore back. Still wary of him because of his back, but we have to have at least one starter added before the trade deadline if we hope to stay in the race. How much would the Tigers discount the price for Flaherty, a rental, if we took Baez's contract and gave them back Yoshida's contract? Baez's contract is 7 million a year more than Yoshida's for the same number of years. Baez is horrible right now as a hitter, but is probably a better defensive shortstop than anyone the Red Sox have other than Story. We could then use Hamilton exclusively at second and Rafaela mainly in center where they are both better than at short. Yoshida isn't taking our at bats at DH so we could rotate our extra outfielders there or get another right handed power bat to use there. How much more would he Tigers want to balance the deal? And they wouldn't be interested in any of our numerous 2nd basemen since Colt Keith, after a slow start, looks like he might be the best rookie position player this year. Maybe that Garcia outfielder with the OPS over 1.000? So you want to take Flaherty and baez and give them yoshida and ask how much more the sox would have to give? The Tigers would have to give the sox back in insane package back for it to make any sense for the Sox to take baez. He's absolutely useless now. And not the clubhouse presence I would want to add. I'm now more thinking they don't need any offensive additions unless they can find a good hitting utility player for cheap. I'd rather give up a bigger prospect package for just Flaherty.
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Post by blizzards39 on Jul 11, 2024 21:36:02 GMT -5
Id like to circle back TB. Eflin and Arozarena? What would it take and what would you give
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Post by ematz1423 on Jul 11, 2024 21:37:34 GMT -5
Id like to circle back TB. Eflin and Arozarena? What would it take and what would you give Efflin yes, arozarena why? Who is he an improvement on?
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Post by puzzler on Jul 11, 2024 21:42:31 GMT -5
Id like to circle back TB. Eflin and Arozarena? What would it take and what would you give Efflin yes, arozarena why? Who is he an improvement on? I don't think he's a fit for the Red Sox - but the last 23 games/28 days, he's been pretty dang good at the plate. They'd really have to trade an outfielder or Yoshida to really make it work which at this point I think would make the team worse - but he's also a playoff monster.
EDIT: He's also not a free agent until after 2026.
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Post by asm18 on Jul 11, 2024 22:07:49 GMT -5
I’m fine with taking on some salary (or salary risk - like that of a player option) to reduce the prospect cost, but Javy Baez or someone with a similarly long contract is probably on the extreme end of that.
If Sammy Kennedy is telling the truth* and the team “has the resources” at the deadline, more feasible examples of this “we’ll take the money - just give us the player” might include:
-Jack Flaherty - but take on part of Kenta Maeda’s remaining deal instead? (10 mil next year)
-Blake Snell: has a a weird 30 mil player option for next year where half of it seems to be deferred to 2027 were it exercised - which seems unlikely but definitely not impossible at the moment
-Erick Fedde with… the last guaranteed year of Yoan Moncada’s deal? Moncada is making 24.8 mil this year, with a club option of 25 mil next year that might honestly get declined. He’s currently on the 60 Day IL but set to start a rehab soon. Would noted philanthropist Jerry Reinsdorf happily take a lesser return to save 8 million dollars (the remainder of Moncada’s salary at the deadline) before you decline that club option in the winter?
*big if lol
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Post by ematz1423 on Jul 11, 2024 22:12:42 GMT -5
I’m fine with taking on some salary (or salary risk - like that of a player option) to reduce the prospect cost, but Javy Baez or someone with a similarly long contract is probably on the extreme end of that. If Sammy Kennedy is telling the truth* and the team “has the resources” at the deadline, more feasible examples of this “we’ll take the money - just give us the player” might include: -Jack Flaherty - but take on part of Kenta Maeda’s remaining deal instead? (10 mil next year) -Blake Snell: has a a weird 30 mil player option for next year where half of it seems to be deferred to 2027 were it exercised - which seems unlikely but definitely not impossible at the moment -Erick Fedde with… the last guaranteed year of Yoan Moncada’s deal? Moncada is making 24.8 mil this year, with a club option of 25 mil next year that might honestly get declined. He’s currently on the 60 Day IL but set to start a rehab soon. Would noted philanthropist Jerry Reinsdorf happily take a lesser return to save 8 million dollars (the remainder of Moncada’s salary at the deadline) before you decline that club option in the winter? *big if lol I read Kennedys comments more as they'd take on added salary for the future if it was a viable player now. I sure hope he's not angling to take back crappy contracts to get a better deal. I think that'd be the worst thing they could do right now.
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