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Post by trotman on Jul 11, 2024 7:30:44 GMT -5
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Post by threeifbaerga on Jul 11, 2024 7:44:54 GMT -5
I really, really don’t see the point of trading for Vladdy when he’s a free agent in a year’s time. Can you explain this part? Why not?
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Post by ematz1423 on Jul 11, 2024 8:11:18 GMT -5
The jays have said they aren't dealing anyone who isnt an upcoming FA this year so vlad isn't going anywhere anyway.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jul 11, 2024 8:45:50 GMT -5
I believe AC made the statement a few days ago that Wink would now be used in relief. An obvious sign they do t trust him or see him as a starter. At least not this season. Then Criswell or trade for his rotation slot. Yeah it was basically implied Criswell is coming back up tomorrow, at least as I read between the lines.
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Post by asm18 on Jul 11, 2024 9:27:13 GMT -5
The starter part makes sense (although getting the vibes that it's going to be more of a veteran 4/5 starter as opposed to anything sexy) - for the right handed bat, curious what position they have in mind for this person?
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Post by ematz1423 on Jul 11, 2024 9:30:07 GMT -5
Well it's Jim Bowden so take anything he says with a grain of salt. I'm sure in a perfect world they could find a RHH power bat but are there any on the market? Pitcher yes, they definitely need to go out and get at least a 4 type starter in my opinion anyway but I don't think they end up dealing for any bats.
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Post by grandsalami on Jul 11, 2024 9:52:49 GMT -5
Well it's Jim Bowden so take anything he says with a grain of salt. I'm sure in a perfect world they could find a RHH power bat but are there any on the market? Pitcher yes, they definitely need to go out and get at least a 4 type starter in my opinion anyway but I don't think they end up dealing for any bats. Sorry I will never call Bowden anything other than Ralph for the rest of my life
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Post by crossedsabres8 on Jul 11, 2024 10:02:02 GMT -5
I feel like there are 4 types of "buying" trades to be made that people are mentioning
1. Cheap Rentals: Get depth for the back end of the rotation and maybe for 1B/3B that doesn't cost very much, maybe just fringe rule-5 eligible guys.
2. Expensive Rentals: Get a high quality guy on the last year of his deal that helps raise the ceiling of the team. Would probably have to be a pitcher to make a significant difference since as has been said it would be very hard for a position player to make a huge difference right now.
3. Exchange contracts: Use the financial strength the sox have to get a higher quality player for cheaper due to their contract, or ship out one of their own contracts (like Yoshida) to improve their longterm financial position and roster building. But what is the actual financial strength of the sox right now, especially if they want to stay under the luxury tax?
4. Cost-controlled players: Depending on the quality, these would obviously cost a lot, and once you are reaching for guys like Crochet and Miller, would have to give up at least one of the big 3, which doesn't sound like something the FO or any fans really want to do.
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Post by scottysmalls on Jul 11, 2024 10:26:30 GMT -5
Where do people imagine they're going to play this right handed power bat? They have no position open for one
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Post by threeifbaerga on Jul 11, 2024 10:31:09 GMT -5
Where do people imagine they're going to play this right handed power bat? They have no position open for one Anyone who can play 1st/3rd/COF can get plenty of ABs and have an impact.
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Post by asm18 on Jul 11, 2024 10:32:32 GMT -5
Justin Turner
2023: .276/.345/.455
2024: .239/.344/.357
Weirdly... his xWOBA is identical for both years so far: .336.
JT still provides a great at-bat (still excellent with making contact and swing decisions) but the power has dropped and he doesn't have a Green Monster in Toronto to help him out. He's barely played in the field this year - 13 games combined between 1B and 3B.
I would take him over say, Jamie Westbrook, in a heartbeat. And with Casas still coming back from injury maybe you need some 1B insurance. But if he's acquired (or someone like him) it's going to be with the idea that he's a bench bat. Whether he would excel at or be chill with that is unclear.
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Post by asm18 on Jul 11, 2024 10:38:10 GMT -5
Where do people imagine they're going to play this right handed power bat? They have no position open for one Jamie Westbrook/the Valdez spot? I know Valdez had like a .400 xwOBA in June but it's unclear if they believe that's what he really is because they just sent him down. In theory Grissom comes back and kinda fits that hole, but who knows where he is with his rehab right now.
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Post by wanderingdude on Jul 11, 2024 10:42:46 GMT -5
Where do people imagine they're going to play this right handed power bat? They have no position open for one Anyone who can play 1st/3rd/COF can get plenty of ABs and have an impact. They already have 4 outfielders that need to play everyday unless they commit to Ceddanne at short everyday, and that’s not including refsnyder. I guess you could sit masa at DH and DH devers or Casas when he’s back, but Masa probably has more upside than any guy they’re going to acquire.
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Post by asm18 on Jul 11, 2024 10:52:26 GMT -5
"No you're not getting a starting pitcher for Ennmanuel Valdez - other teams watch baseball too" 🤣
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Post by incandenza on Jul 11, 2024 10:54:19 GMT -5
Justin Turner has a 106 wRC+. He's 39. He broke down at the end of last season. I don't think he's a very safe bet to not be kind of disastrous.
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Post by ematz1423 on Jul 11, 2024 11:08:01 GMT -5
About the only RHH thumper that comes to mind is Vlady Jr but the Jays said they won't trade anyone that is controlled past this year, which may or may not be posturing. If it is not the cost is still likely to be more than what I'd want to see them pay and even then would probably take some roster gymnastics to make it fit anyway. Now if Casas has a setback then we may need to re-assess at that point.
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Post by scottysmalls on Jul 11, 2024 11:14:27 GMT -5
Where do people imagine they're going to play this right handed power bat? They have no position open for one Anyone who can play 1st/3rd/COF can get plenty of ABs and have an impact. How? Once Casas is back they full time players at all those positions, and they actually have a surplus of outfielders. Even if they dumped Yoshida all you gain is the lift from the new righty vs. righties compared to Yoshida vs. righties (because I don't know if there's anyone who is gonna be better than Refsnyder vs. lefties) and there just aren't many guys who are likely to give you that.
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Post by seamus on Jul 11, 2024 11:44:54 GMT -5
Bummer that the Mets had a resurgence in the last month, as Alonso would have been a solid target. I hope Casas comes back and can contribute right away, but 1B is the spot where they can most readily add power and it is a gamble to count on Casas to effectively be their major deadline acquisition.
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Post by Underwater Johnson on Jul 11, 2024 12:01:07 GMT -5
Aim high. Aim Vladdy. I'd also love to see Tanner Scott and/or Chris Bassitt in red socks. I really, really don’t see the point of trading for Vladdy when he’s a free agent in a year’s time. Marlins asking price for Scott is just gonna be too high and with Hendricks coming back, I just don’t see the fit. Bassist also scares me — his stuff isn’t that impressive. Much rather take my chances with Fedde or Taillon. I'm aiming high. I would also love the extra year for whatever he gets in arb, not only because he's a legit middle-of-the-order thumper but also to allow the Sox coaches to get under the hood and see if they can tap back into his ceiling and see if they want to sign him longer term. I love that Yoshida just had the biggest hit of the year but that doesn't change my overall assessment of him as a one-tool player whose one tool is hardly guaranteed. Swapping out Masa for Vladdy would be a huge improvement through the end of 2025. Scott is in his walk year so the price will be what it will be. The more Weisserts and Andersons and Kellers and Campbells we can push out of the Fenway bullpen, from the top down, the better. Teams have been trying to emulate the 2015 Royals for nine years; I don't see how having a deep, heavy back end of the bullpen would be a bad thing. Not sure what scares you about Bassitt -- it would be hard to find a more consistent performer the past 5+ seasons. He's also a guy with a 6-pitch mix that I think would excel in the Bailey Breslow Pitching Academy. Drill down on the three most effective offerings and he could turn into a monster.
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Post by dirtywaterinla on Jul 11, 2024 12:19:03 GMT -5
Anyone who can play 1st/3rd/COF can get plenty of ABs and have an impact. How? Once Casas is back they full time players at all those positions, and they actually have a surplus of outfielders. Even if they dumped Yoshida all you gain is the lift from the new righty vs. righties compared to Yoshida vs. righties (because I don't know if there's anyone who is gonna be better than Refsnyder vs. lefties) and there just aren't many guys who are likely to give you that. I mean, see my post about Christian Walker. I think it would be smart to get an impact RHH bat that can play 1B as we don’t know how Casas is going to respond when he gets back. If he responds well, then the both of them can platoon @ DH w/ Yoshida.
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Post by ematz1423 on Jul 11, 2024 12:40:16 GMT -5
How? Once Casas is back they full time players at all those positions, and they actually have a surplus of outfielders. Even if they dumped Yoshida all you gain is the lift from the new righty vs. righties compared to Yoshida vs. righties (because I don't know if there's anyone who is gonna be better than Refsnyder vs. lefties) and there just aren't many guys who are likely to give you that. I mean, see my post about Christian Walker. I think it would be smart to get an impact RHH bat that can play 1B as we don’t know how Casas is going to respond when he gets back. If he responds well, then the both of them can platoon @ DH w/ Yoshida. The D'Backs are 1.5 games out of a WC spot so if they were to trade Walker it probably would cost a lot for a rental. I agree if they get some bad news on Casas they need to pivot to get a 1st baseman if they can. That being said, if all goes well with Casas I don't really think it wise to pay the price for Walker to have him platoon with Yoshida. Walker would be a guy I would like to see them make a run at in the offseason if they can move Yoshida though, feels like a guy tailor made to slide in between Rafi and Casas for a couple years.
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Post by dirtywaterinla on Jul 11, 2024 12:49:12 GMT -5
I mean, see my post about Christian Walker. I think it would be smart to get an impact RHH bat that can play 1B as we don’t know how Casas is going to respond when he gets back. If he responds well, then the both of them can platoon @ DH w/ Yoshida. The D'Backs are 1.5 games out of a WC spot so if they were to trade Walker it probably would cost a lot for a rental. I agree if they get some bad news on Casas they need to pivot to get a 1st baseman if they can. That being said, if all goes well with Casas I don't really think it wise to pay the price for Walker to have him platoon with Yoshida. Walker would be a guy I would like to see them make a run at in the offseason if they can move Yoshida though, feels like a guy tailor made to slide in between Rafi and Casas for a couple years. All good points. Yeah, this is more a pipe dream seeing the D-Backs are within striking distance of a WC spot. Only way I think they consider this if they somehow tank in the next couple of weeks and even still I think their asking price might be high (e.g. Kristian Campbell). EDIT: Also find it odd that the D-Backs haven’t extended him in the last couple of years. He’s legit one of the top 5 1B in the league.
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Post by scottysmalls on Jul 11, 2024 13:00:58 GMT -5
Walker presents sort of a tricky dynamic in that a big part of his value is that he's the best defensive 1B in baseball, so you want to play him there. But Casas is your 1B of the present and future and probably wouldn't want to have that taken away and you probably want him to keep working there, where he's made big strides year over year.
Also if you acquire a 1B/DH only guy it means your infielders can only be Rafaela/Romy/Hamilton once Casas is back (as long as you're keeping Yoshida and Refsnyder), and I don't love that plan either. Personally prefer either Valdez or Grissom or a guy who can play good defense at short on the roster, and to allow Rafaela to play CF as much as possible.
If you could acquire Walker it's going to cost a lot for what is to me uncertain to be a big upgrade. You have to take PT from Casas, Yoshida and Refsnyder and limit your defensive flexibility elsewhere.
I also agree Walker isn't getting traded anyways unless the D-Backs fall way off in the next couple weeks.
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Post by dirtywaterinla on Jul 11, 2024 13:07:07 GMT -5
Walker presents sort of a tricky dynamic in that a big part of his value is that he's the best defensive 1B in baseball, so you want to play him there. But Casas is your 1B of the present and future and probably wouldn't want to have that taken away and you probably want him to keep working there, where he's made big strides year over year. Also if you acquire a 1B/DH only guy it means your infielders can only be Rafaela/Romy/Hamilton once Casas is back (as long as you're keeping Yoshida and Refsnyder), and I don't love that plan either. Personally prefer either Valdez or Grissom or a guy who can play good defense at short on the roster, and to allow Rafaela to play CF as much as possible. If you could acquire Walker it's going to cost a lot for what is to me uncertain to be a big upgrade. You have to take PT from Casas, Yoshida and Refsnyder and limit your defensive flexibility elsewhere. I also agree Walker isn't getting traded anyways unless the D-Backs fall way off in the next couple weeks. All good points. I think my thought process here is that it makes sense for really the 2nd half as there’s no guarantees with Casas at the moment. As you mentioned, only way Walker makes sense beyond this year is if you managed to dump Yoshida. As far as the IF picture you put out, I really don’t mind is Rafaela is the starting SS for the rest of this season given Duran has been close to elite in CF himself. I also think Romy is the one who gets the boot if/when Grissom is ready, but honestly I have a gut feeling we might not see him the rest of this season. EDIT: I also do think if in the small chance you’d get Walker, you’d have to trade TON or dump Yoshida to have it make roster sense (the latter of which I don’t think is very likely to happen this season).
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Post by chaimtime on Jul 11, 2024 13:11:46 GMT -5
Dom Smith has a 114 wRC+ going back to June 1. I’m not saying he’s a star or that he can’t be improved upon, but it’s not gonna be trivial to find a better first baseman. The players that will probably be available—Andrew Vaughn? Josh Bell?—have been worse this season.
And it’s not like the market is flush with power-hitting second basemen. If they want to add a righty power bat, it’s probably gonna have to be in the outfield—which has been a main strength of the team for two years now—or at DH, where Rob Refsnyder has been one of the better hitters in baseball and is running a 161 wRC+ against lefties. Not gonna be easy to add a righty bat by any means.
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