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Post by jdb on Jul 12, 2024 10:41:18 GMT -5
I still think the easiest way to improve the team is to get a defensive SS. We have the worst OAA at both SS and 2B. Get a Kevin Newman or Nick Ahmed type and let Hamilton slide over to 2B and hopefully platoon with Grissom if he gets healthy.
Only way I can see us getting a big RH bat is to drastically change things. It’s dumping Masa somehow or trading Abreu. I wouldn’t be opposed to trading Abreu if we can get a young starter but I think it’s doubtful mid season. Probably best to get a cheaper innings eater.
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Post by ematz1423 on Jul 12, 2024 10:48:53 GMT -5
I still think the easiest way to improve the team is to get a defensive SS. We have the worst OAA at both SS and 2B. Get a Kevin Newman or Nick Ahmed type and let Hamilton slide over to 2B and hopefully platoon with Grissom if he gets healthy. Only way I can see us getting a big RH bat is to drastically change things. It’s dumping Masa somehow or trading Abreu. I wouldn’t be opposed to trading Abreu if we can get a young starter but I think it’s doubtful mid season. Probably best to get a cheaper innings eater. The Giants just DFA'd Ahmed so he's certainly available. He's slashing .286/.352/.381 vs lefties this year. Don't think he's any better an option than Gonzalez though.
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Post by carmenfanzone on Jul 12, 2024 11:15:46 GMT -5
I still think the easiest way to improve the team is to get a defensive SS. We have the worst OAA at both SS and 2B. Get a Kevin Newman or Nick Ahmed type and let Hamilton slide over to 2B and hopefully platoon with Grissom if he gets healthy. Only way I can see us getting a big RH bat is to drastically change things. It’s dumping Masa somehow or trading Abreu. I wouldn’t be opposed to trading Abreu if we can get a young starter but I think it’s doubtful mid season. Probably best to get a cheaper innings eater. The Giants just DFA'd Ahmed so he's certainly available. He's slashing .286/.352/.381 vs lefties this year. Don't think he's any better an option than Gonzalez though. He may not be a better option as a hitter, but that is not the point. Is he better defensively at short than Rafaela and Hamilton (I don't know the answer to that)? When the Red Sox traded Nomar and put Cabrera at short in 2004, they didn't do it to improve their hitting. They did it to improve their defense and it worked. And if Ahmed is at short, you can move Hamilton to 2nd and improve the defense at that position as well. Moreover, right now, Gonzalez is platooning at first, not short. The last I knew, the Red Sox had given up the most unearned runs in the Major Leagues. Helping the defense at short and second would help with that problem. Whether it's Ahmed, DeJong, Baez or whomever, getting a good defensive first shortstop would help this team unless you think Rafaela has figured it out defensively and is going to be better in the second half. Having said that, the easiest way to improve the team, imo, is to get at least one more starter.
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Post by scottysmalls on Jul 12, 2024 11:19:05 GMT -5
Problem is they’re bad defensively at shortstop because they’re playing Rafaela there, but they’re playing him there not because they need a shortstop but because they have too many outfielders. Which of Rafaela, O’Neill, Duran, Hamilton or Abreu loses a bunch of playing time for Ahmed?
Maybe if you move O’Neill there’s room but I’m not sure that makes the team better
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Post by incandenza on Jul 12, 2024 11:30:03 GMT -5
You know, none of us knows for certain that Breslow doesn't have the cojones to, say, trade Abreu, Yoshida, Cespedes, and Bleis for Tatis, who then comes in to play SS this season, pushing Rafaela back to CF, and then moves back to RF in 2025.
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Post by puzzler on Jul 12, 2024 11:38:47 GMT -5
You know, none of us knows for certain that Breslow doesn't have the cojones to, say, trade Abreu, Yoshida, Cespedes, and Bleis for Tatis, who then comes in to play SS this season, pushing Rafaela back to CF, and then moves back to RF in 2025. I would probably do that trade at this point. I don't think the Padres would though.
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Post by tjb21 on Jul 12, 2024 11:41:29 GMT -5
You know, none of us knows for certain that Breslow doesn't have the cojones to, say, trade Abreu, Yoshida, Cespedes, and Bleis for Tatis, who then comes in to play SS this season, pushing Rafaela back to CF, and then moves back to RF in 2025. I would probably do that trade at this point. I don't think the Padres would though. Same. Padres would need one of the 3 larger names involved.
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Post by melvinhoggs on Jul 12, 2024 11:47:33 GMT -5
I would probably do that trade at this point. I don't think the Padres would though. Same. Padres would need one of the 3 larger names involved. I'd still do it. Even if Tatis isn't a 7-WAR guy, he's a locked-up star whose contract doesn't go too deep into his 30s.
I just wish the Padres were further out of contention.
Also, in regards to the Bichette discussion, three bad months doesn't scare me in the slightest. I do not think at 26, after being one of the most consistent players in the league for three consecutive years, that Bichette has suddenly turned into a pumpkin. If he could be had at a discount, I would be very into that.
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Post by ematz1423 on Jul 12, 2024 11:58:01 GMT -5
Same as the Vlad Jr talk, if you take the Jays at their word that they aren't inclined to deal anyone who isn't an FA at the end of the year then you probably cannot get Bichette without giving up one of the big 3 which would not be a trade I would want to see made for 1.5 years of him.
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Post by incandenza on Jul 12, 2024 12:00:42 GMT -5
Same. Padres would need one of the 3 larger names involved. I'd still do it. Even if Tatis isn't a 7-WAR guy, he's a locked-up star whose contract doesn't go too deep into his 30s.
I just wish the Padres were further out of contention.
My thinking was that they have kind of a righty-heavy lineup, and this gives them two additional lefties that could help them this season. And they'd get out from one of their many long-term mega-contracts, which their ownership might be interested in. It would be both a short-term and a long-term move for both the Red Sox and the Padres.
Anway, not to get too trade proposal-y. I was just thinking of the general idea that the only way for the Red Sox to improve their lineup would be through a fairly dramatic re-arrangement of the various parts, and this scenario came to mind.
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Post by melvinhoggs on Jul 12, 2024 12:02:53 GMT -5
Same as the Vlad Jr talk, if you take the Jays at their word that they aren't inclined to deal anyone who isn't an FA at the end of the year then you probably cannot get Bichette without giving up one of the big 3 which would not be a trade I would want to see made for 1.5 years of him. Agree. I'm talking about the hypothetical where his value has supposedly dropped enough to get him at a steep discount.
I do not at all think the Blue Jays are looking at his wRC+ by month and think he's cooked.
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Post by chaimtime on Jul 12, 2024 12:24:05 GMT -5
They should focus all their resources on adding starting pitching. As has been discussed, there are just too many moving parts involved to improve the offense without adding a very good player who is likely to be prohibitively expensive. They’re probably not finding offensive upgrades to Refsnyder/Gonzalez/O’Neill in the roles they fill. The solution in the middle infield is probably to play Romy up the middle more and let Dom Smith hit against lefties. He doesn’t have big platoon splits for his career and actually has reverse splits this year, so it’s probably feasible until Casas comes back.
Add a Scherzer, Eovaldi, Eflin, Fedde—someone from that upper-middle tier who can slot into the rotation and potentially take a spot in the playoff rotation. Shouldn’t cost a ton prospect-wise if they’re taking on all the money.
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Post by chaimtime on Jul 12, 2024 12:27:44 GMT -5
I'd still do it. Even if Tatis isn't a 7-WAR guy, he's a locked-up star whose contract doesn't go too deep into his 30s.
I just wish the Padres were further out of contention.
My thinking was that they have kind of a righty-heavy lineup, and this gives them two additional lefties that could help them this season. And they'd get out from one of their many long-term mega-contracts, which their ownership might be interested in. It would be both a short-term and a long-term move for both the Red Sox and the Padres.
Anway, not to get too trade proposal-y. I was just thinking of the general idea that the only way for the Red Sox to improve their lineup would be through a fairly dramatic re-arrangement of the various parts, and this scenario came to mind.
Tatis is the only mega-contract they have that doesn’t look like a disaster. No chance they move him without one of the big 3, let alone with Yoshida thrown in there. Like you said, substantially improving the lineup probably requires either a huge shakeup that will be hard to pull off at the deadline, or a sequence of deals that will be even harder to pull off at the deadline. Hence why they should just go hard for a pitcher and figure out the lineup in the offseason.
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Post by markm7 on Jul 12, 2024 12:37:42 GMT -5
If ownership was willing to pay him and extend him I wouldn’t be opposed to trading for Bo Bichette and having a long term lead off hitter and shortstop that allows Rafaela to move back to CF and Duran in LF This got me curious to look up his numbers and man he just keeps getting worse.
wRC+ by month:
April: 65 May: 107 June: 54 July -5
Anyways, I'll take my chances with Mayer for tens of millions fewer dollars, thanks.
I’d be fine waiting for Mayer if he was coming up but they haven’t promoted him to even AAA even though he’s been tearing up AA all year and has looked ready for promotion since June. So if they don’t trust him trade him no reason to just keep a guy who they refuse to call up
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Post by notstarboard on Jul 12, 2024 12:45:21 GMT -5
This got me curious to look up his numbers and man he just keeps getting worse.
wRC+ by month:
April: 65 May: 107 June: 54 July -5
Anyways, I'll take my chances with Mayer for tens of millions fewer dollars, thanks.
I’d be fine waiting for Mayer if he was coming up but they haven’t promoted him to even AAA even though he’s been tearing up AA all year and has looked ready for promotion since June. So if they don’t trust him trade him no reason to just keep a guy who they refuse to call up He just eclipsed 500 PA at AA. All signs point to him being called up to AAA before long. Unless he gets hurt or stumbles he should be in the mix to make next year's team out of camp.
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Post by ematz1423 on Jul 12, 2024 12:56:14 GMT -5
This got me curious to look up his numbers and man he just keeps getting worse.
wRC+ by month:
April: 65 May: 107 June: 54 July -5
Anyways, I'll take my chances with Mayer for tens of millions fewer dollars, thanks.
I’d be fine waiting for Mayer if he was coming up but they haven’t promoted him to even AAA even though he’s been tearing up AA all year and has looked ready for promotion since June. So if they don’t trust him trade him no reason to just keep a guy who they refuse to call up Sure, let's trade Mayer because they aren't promoting him fast enough for your liking..
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Post by dirtywaterinla on Jul 12, 2024 14:01:01 GMT -5
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Post by wcsoxfan on Jul 12, 2024 14:05:48 GMT -5
I liked Merrifield this off-season, but with the current team, I don't see a role for him. No need for a RHH outfielder and there are equal/better 2b options in-house.
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Post by chaimtime on Jul 12, 2024 15:21:58 GMT -5
One thing worth considering at the deadline—if I recall correctly, a big reason that San Diego needed to take out a loan to cover payroll is that their budget assumed they would make the playoffs, and when they didn’t they missed out on tens of millions of additional revenue. I haven’t been able to find any numbers on what the financial benefit of making the playoffs is, but if it’s really that significant then there’s a reason ownership and the front office might be willing to be more aggressive this year.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jul 12, 2024 15:23:24 GMT -5
This got me curious to look up his numbers and man he just keeps getting worse.
wRC+ by month: April: 65 May: 107 June: 54 July -5 Anyways, I'll take my chances with Mayer for tens of millions fewer dollars, thanks.
I’d be fine waiting for Mayer if he was coming up but they haven’t promoted him to even AAA even though he’s been tearing up AA all year and has looked ready for promotion since June. So if they don’t trust him trade him no reason to just keep a guy who they refuse to call up So the Sox have a #1 prospect who's pretty young, he's playing really well and because he hasn't been promoted before the all star break you've decided they should dump him because he must not be in their future plans, even though they have the SS stability of a Banana Republic? Just checking to see if I have the logic correct?
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Post by nomar on Jul 12, 2024 15:24:30 GMT -5
This got me curious to look up his numbers and man he just keeps getting worse.
wRC+ by month: April: 65 May: 107 June: 54 July -5 Anyways, I'll take my chances with Mayer for tens of millions fewer dollars, thanks.
I’d be fine waiting for Mayer if he was coming up but they haven’t promoted him to even AAA even though he’s been tearing up AA all year and has looked ready for promotion since June. So if they don’t trust him trade him no reason to just keep a guy who they refuse to call up Rational
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Post by seamus on Jul 12, 2024 15:50:18 GMT -5
One thing worth considering at the deadline—if I recall correctly, a big reason that San Diego needed to take out a loan to cover payroll is that their budget assumed they would make the playoffs, and when they didn’t they missed out on tens of millions of additional revenue. I haven’t been able to find any numbers on what the financial benefit of making the playoffs is, but if it’s really that significant then there’s a reason ownership and the front office might be willing to be more aggressive this year. Over a decade ago, someone at Fangraphs ( blogs.fangraphs.com/estimating-postseason-revenue-for-players-and-teams/) estimated that a playoff run could a net a team well over $10 million, separate from the money awarded to the players and just from gate receipts. I'd guess that making a deep playoff run nowadays would have to be worth many tens of millions when you factor in all the other revenue streams available.
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Post by rickasadoorian on Jul 12, 2024 16:19:03 GMT -5
Same. Padres would need one of the 3 larger names involved. I'd still do it. Even if Tatis isn't a 7-WAR guy, he's a locked-up star whose contract doesn't go too deep into his 30s.
I just wish the Padres were further out of contention.
Also, in regards to the Bichette discussion, three bad months doesn't scare me in the slightest. I do not think at 26, after being one of the most consistent players in the league for three consecutive years, that Bichette has suddenly turned into a pumpkin. If he could be had at a discount, I would be very into that.
I dunno. Every single year of his pro career, his ISO has dropped. Where did the power go? .260, .211, .186, .179, .168, 0.099. It's not a good trend. Though this year's drop seems attributed to a 1.2% HR rate. Prior to this year, his career HR rate was 3.8%. His exit velocity is trending the wrong way too. He's also had terrible BAbip luck. His career BAbip going into the year was .349. This year it's .265. Nothing really screams out as him being broken though. Its BAbip and HR%. Those things can be attributed to bad luck.
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Post by markm7 on Jul 12, 2024 16:51:00 GMT -5
I’d be fine waiting for Mayer if he was coming up but they haven’t promoted him to even AAA even though he’s been tearing up AA all year and has looked ready for promotion since June. So if they don’t trust him trade him no reason to just keep a guy who they refuse to call up So the Sox have a #1 prospect who's pretty young, he's playing really well and because he hasn't been promoted before the all star break you've decided they should dump him because he must not be in their future plans, even though they have the SS stability of a Banana Republic? Just checking to see if I have the logic correct? Never said dump him. I’d prefer to keep him and let him play but based on the Red Sox actions so far they have no interest in that so if that’s the case move him while his value is high because it could crash at any time
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Post by ematz1423 on Jul 12, 2024 16:53:11 GMT -5
So the Sox have a #1 prospect who's pretty young, he's playing really well and because he hasn't been promoted before the all star break you've decided they should dump him because he must not be in their future plans, even though they have the SS stability of a Banana Republic? Just checking to see if I have the logic correct? Never said dump him. I’d prefer to keep him and let him play but based on the Red Sox actions so far they have no interest in that so if that’s the case move him while his value is high because it could crash at any time What are you suggesting? That they just call up Mayer to the majors tomorrow?
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