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Post by markm7 on Jul 12, 2024 16:56:01 GMT -5
Never said dump him. I’d prefer to keep him and let him play but based on the Red Sox actions so far they have no interest in that so if that’s the case move him while his value is high because it could crash at any time What are you suggesting? That they just call up Mayer to the majors tomorrow? I’m suggesting he should have already been moved up to AAA. I’m not advocating to skip AAA. All im saying is he should have been promoted already and the fact he hasn’t suggests to me they don’t believe in him so if that’s the case then trade him
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jul 12, 2024 17:00:35 GMT -5
So the Sox have a #1 prospect who's pretty young, he's playing really well and because he hasn't been promoted before the all star break you've decided they should dump him because he must not be in their future plans, even though they have the SS stability of a Banana Republic? Just checking to see if I have the logic correct? Never said dump him. I’d prefer to keep him and let him play but based on the Red Sox actions so far they have no interest in that so if that’s the case move him while his value is high because it could crash at any time So if they dont rush him to the majors then they should trade him? How does that make sense? There's no reason to jump him from AA to the majors. He needs to rake at AA which he's doing and he should rake at AAA first which takes time. Marcelo Mayer was never in the big league plans in 2024, so why does that mean they should trade him? How do you get out of his not jumping from AA to the majors on 3 months as a position that it increases his risk of failing in the majors? One thing has absolutely nothing to do with the other. Mayer probably comes up at some point in 2025, probably toward midseason. There's no need to rush him and say well you cant help in 24 so we should trade you because of course that means you're less likely to succeed in the majors. Again, how does that make sense? Geez they should trade Anthony and Teel as well as they're useless to the Sox in 24 so of course they're less likely to succeed in the majors down the road. Makes sense. Might as well dump the whole farm system, too, I suppose? In not one who usually agrees with a lot of the groupthink around here, but man, your views are really out there.
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Post by congusgambler33 on Jul 12, 2024 17:00:40 GMT -5
Mayer has been hitting the ball well, but nobody is commenting about the amount of errors he has committed. He would fit right in with the Red Sox. He has had a ton of throwing errors this year.
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Post by markm7 on Jul 12, 2024 17:03:54 GMT -5
Never said dump him. I’d prefer to keep him and let him play but based on the Red Sox actions so far they have no interest in that so if that’s the case move him while his value is high because it could crash at any time So if they dont rush him to the majors then they should trade him? How does that make sense? There's no reason to jump him from AA to the majors. He needs to rake at AA which he's doing and he should rake at AAA first which takes time. Marcelo Mayer was never in the big league plans in 2024, so why does that mean they should trade him? How do you get out of his not jumping from AA to the majors on 3 months as a position that it increases his risk of failing in the majors? One thing has absolutely nothing to do with the other. Mayer probably comes up at some point in 2025, probably toward midseason. There's no need to rush him and say well you cant help in 24 so we should trade you because of course that means you're less likely to succeed in the majors. Again, how does that make sense? Geez they should trade Anthony and Teel as well as they're useless to the Sox in 24 so of course they're less likely to succeed in the majors down the road. Makes sense. Might as well dump the whole farm system, too, I suppose? In not one who usually agrees with a lot of the groupthink around here, but man, your views are really out there. Never said to jump him to the majors that’s incredibly stupid and a quick way to ruin a prospect look at Holliday and him being rushed. All I’m saying is he should have been in AAA by now and the fact he’s not suggests that the Red Sox don’t believe in him so if that’s the case than he should be traded.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jul 12, 2024 17:04:40 GMT -5
What are you suggesting? That they just call up Mayer to the majors tomorrow? I’m suggesting he should have already been moved up to AAA. I’m not advocating to skip AAA. All im saying is he should have been promoted already and the fact he hasn’t suggests to me they don’t believe in him so if that’s the case then trade him That does not say they dont believe in him. It says they're looking for him to accomplish some specific task(s) before putting him in AAA, which for all we know could come in the next week or two. That does NOT mean that they dont think he's the SS of the near future. Hell, coming off an injury plagued season they could have traded him for that cost controlled pitcher Breslow always talks about acquiring yet no such trade ever happened. That's because barring acquiring a young Pedro Martinez, he's very much in their plans.
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Post by carmenfanzone on Jul 12, 2024 17:05:20 GMT -5
From an article on the Major League Rumors site about the 50 top trade deadline candidates (Flaherty is no. 1 on their list):
38. Paul DeJong, SS, White Sox
Another South Side rental, DeJong is hitting .229/.280/.438 on the season as Chicago’s primary shortstop. The average and OBP are characteristically unimpressive, but DeJong has belted 16 dingers and tallied a dozen doubles. His once-premium defensive grades have tanked, but he has a strong track record as a plus defender. That, plus this year’s power surge, should get the White Sox a modest return.
I'm not thrilled about starting Hamilton at short and Westbrook at 2nd in the opener of the biggest series of the season so far. Don't know how far DeJong's defense has fallen off, but I would guess he is still better than Hamilton at short. Hamilton can move to second base and Valdez and Westbrook can play for Wooster.
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Post by benogliviesbrother on Jul 12, 2024 17:06:44 GMT -5
Never said dump him. I’d prefer to keep him and let him play but based on the Red Sox actions so far they have no interest in that so if that’s the case move him while his value is high because it could crash at any time So if they dont rush him to the majors then they should trade him? How does that make sense? There's no reason to jump him from AA to the majors. He needs to rake at AA which he's doing and he should rake at AAA first which takes time. Marcelo Mayer was never in the big league plans in 2024, so why does that mean they should trade him? How do you get out of his not jumping from AA to the majors on 3 months as a position that it increases his risk of failing in the majors? One thing has absolutely nothing to do with the other. Mayer probably comes up at some point in 2025, probably toward midseason. There's no need to rush him and say well you cant help in 24 so we should trade you because of course that means you're less likely to succeed in the majors. Again, how does that make sense? Geez they should trade Anthony and Teel as well as they're useless to the Sox in 24 so of course they're less likely to succeed in the majors down the road. Makes sense. Might as well dump the whole farm system, too, I suppose? In not one who usually agrees with a lot of the groupthink around here, but man, your views are really out there. I'll be on the lookout for that, yeah?
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Post by keninten on Jul 12, 2024 17:08:50 GMT -5
So if they dont rush him to the majors then they should trade him? How does that make sense? There's no reason to jump him from AA to the majors. He needs to rake at AA which he's doing and he should rake at AAA first which takes time. Marcelo Mayer was never in the big league plans in 2024, so why does that mean they should trade him? How do you get out of his not jumping from AA to the majors on 3 months as a position that it increases his risk of failing in the majors? One thing has absolutely nothing to do with the other. Mayer probably comes up at some point in 2025, probably toward midseason. There's no need to rush him and say well you cant help in 24 so we should trade you because of course that means you're less likely to succeed in the majors. Again, how does that make sense? Geez they should trade Anthony and Teel as well as they're useless to the Sox in 24 so of course they're less likely to succeed in the majors down the road. Makes sense. Might as well dump the whole farm system, too, I suppose? In not one who usually agrees with a lot of the groupthink around here, but man, your views are really out there. Never said to jump him to the majors that’s incredibly stupid and a quick way to ruin a prospect look at Holliday and him being rushed. All I’m saying is he should have been in AAA by now and the fact he’s not suggests that the Red Sox don’t believe in him so if that’s the case than he should be traded. Are you having fun winding everyone up?
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jul 12, 2024 17:09:04 GMT -5
So if they dont rush him to the majors then they should trade him? How does that make sense? There's no reason to jump him from AA to the majors. He needs to rake at AA which he's doing and he should rake at AAA first which takes time. Marcelo Mayer was never in the big league plans in 2024, so why does that mean they should trade him? How do you get out of his not jumping from AA to the majors on 3 months as a position that it increases his risk of failing in the majors? One thing has absolutely nothing to do with the other. Mayer probably comes up at some point in 2025, probably toward midseason. There's no need to rush him and say well you cant help in 24 so we should trade you because of course that means you're less likely to succeed in the majors. Again, how does that make sense? Geez they should trade Anthony and Teel as well as they're useless to the Sox in 24 so of course they're less likely to succeed in the majors down the road. Makes sense. Might as well dump the whole farm system, too, I suppose? In not one who usually agrees with a lot of the groupthink around here, but man, your views are really out there. I'll be on the lookout for that, yeah? If that's what you live for, I wont stop you.
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Post by benogliviesbrother on Jul 12, 2024 17:11:35 GMT -5
I'll be on the lookout for that, yeah? If that's what you live for, I wont stop you. You read quite a lot into my comment, yeah?
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Post by finaliz3d on Jul 12, 2024 17:23:10 GMT -5
From an article on the Major League Rumors site about the 50 top trade deadline candidates (Flaherty is no. 1 on their list): 38. Paul DeJong, SS, White Sox Another South Side rental, DeJong is hitting .229/.280/.438 on the season as Chicago’s primary shortstop. The average and OBP are characteristically unimpressive, but DeJong has belted 16 dingers and tallied a dozen doubles. His once-premium defensive grades have tanked, but he has a strong track record as a plus defender. That, plus this year’s power surge, should get the White Sox a modest return. I'm not thrilled about starting Hamilton at short and Westbrook at 2nd in the opener of the biggest series of the season so far. Don't know how far DeJong's defense has fallen off, but I would guess he is still better than Hamilton at short. Hamilton can move to second base and Valdez and Westbrook can play for Wooster. Paul DeJong didn't go for much last year, really think the Sox could get him and Fedde at a good cost. Not exciting obviously, but moves Rafaela to center, kicks O'Neill to DH, and Masa to the bench, gives us another righty bat for the lineup and another pitcher for the rotation.
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Post by rickasadoorian on Jul 12, 2024 17:28:43 GMT -5
So the Sox have a #1 prospect who's pretty young, he's playing really well and because he hasn't been promoted before the all star break you've decided they should dump him because he must not be in their future plans, even though they have the SS stability of a Banana Republic? Just checking to see if I have the logic correct? Never said dump him. I’d prefer to keep him and let him play but based on the Red Sox actions so far they have no interest in that so if that’s the case move him while his value is high because it could crash at any time Ok. So they don't have faith in him. But 5 days ago in the 2025 lineup thread you posted Mayer as the most likely starting SS and were convinced there's no way the Sox would play Story over him. So an extra 5 days in AA has changed your stance from 2025 starting SS to the Redsox not believing in Mayer. Good take. i think mayer or teel could make the opening day roster, but probably only one. i'd bet Teel beats out McGuire in camp and Mayer comes up like a month or two into the season. in this case i'm assuming it's a right handed starter so Teel is in the lineup: 1: Jarren Duran LF 2: Trevor Story SS 3: Rafael Devers 3B 4: Triston Casas 1B 5: Wilyer Abreu RF 6: RHB Acquisition/Grissom/Yorke/Meidroth 2B (basically, whoever wins the job out of camp) 7: Masataka Yoshida DH (ideally you trade off of his deal and get another righty to better balance the lineup. you could also just bench him i suppose, but there isn't really a much better option for DH) 8: Kyle Teel C 9: Ceddane Rafaela CF SP: Tanner Houck Just a gut feeling I highly doubt they play Story over Mayer, and Abreu isn’t going to make it to spring next season The thought of them starting all 3 of Mayer Teel and Anthony in the minors is laughable. Mayer is probably their best middle IF right now, Teel will be 23 after tearing up AA for a full season highly unlikely they don’t start him opening day. Plus it gives them 2 shots at the pick, disaster scenario they start in the minors mid May they come up because they’re tearing it up and Story is hurt for the 500th time and Wong regressed then one wins the ROY you don’t get pick and they burn a full year of service. Duran Devers O’Neill (Yoshida gone TO signed) Casas RH DH Mayer Story (Yorke/Grissom by game 4) Teel Rafaela
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jul 12, 2024 17:32:21 GMT -5
If that's what you live for, I wont stop you. You read quite a lot into my comment, yeah? As about as much as you read into my initial comment about me often disagreeing with consensus opinion. Didnt see what was particularly controversial about that, given my usually differing viewpoint, that it merited a sarcastic remark.
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Post by harv on Jul 12, 2024 17:39:17 GMT -5
OF appears to be a strong point with the roster, current and future. Duran, Rafaela and Abreu are solid, young and lefthanded. O'Neill is a solid RH veteran, Refsnyder (RH) a solid 4th OF who kills lefties, and Yoshida (LH) though not much in the field, can add value with his bat. Anthony is probably less that a year away, Bleis maybe 3 years. There may not be room for everyone. Can Breslow find a way to leverage this into the arm(s) we need? Not advocating anything in particular, but there may be room for a move here, value for value. Maybe off season if not by trade deadline?
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Post by wanderingdude on Jul 12, 2024 17:39:31 GMT -5
For all of the talk about rays hitters recently, i’m actually curious what the cost of Isaac Parades would be. He hits a ton of pulled flyballs, doesn’t strikeout all that much and walks a decent clip. Three more years of control but i believe was super 2 so he’s already in Arbitration and will only get more expensive. He’s played all four infield positions, but a majority at 3rd, with some second and first and 11 innings at short. Ideally he would slot in at 2nd, but could also platoon at first or give raffy days at DH playing third.
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Post by ematz1423 on Jul 12, 2024 17:40:19 GMT -5
What are you suggesting? That they just call up Mayer to the majors tomorrow? I’m suggesting he should have already been moved up to AAA. I’m not advocating to skip AAA. All im saying is he should have been promoted already and the fact he hasn’t suggests to me they don’t believe in him so if that’s the case then trade him By recent reports he's likely to be moved to AAA in the next week or two. I don't understand at all how you're leaping to "they don't believe in him". Also all the reports this offseason said that Mayer was off limits in trade talks so not exactly a guy they don't believe in.
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Post by ematz1423 on Jul 12, 2024 17:59:11 GMT -5
For all of the talk about rays hitters recently, i’m actually curious what the cost of Isaac Parades would be. He hits a ton of pulled flyballs, doesn’t strikeout all that much and walks a decent clip. Three more years of control but i believe was super 2 so he’s already in Arbitration and will only get more expensive. He’s played all four infield positions, but a majority at 3rd, with some second and first and 11 innings at short. Ideally he would slot in at 2nd, but could also platoon at first or give raffy days at DH playing third. Funny you mention parades. Just saw on MLBTR that his name has been coming up in trade talks. Not sure if there is a fit there in a deal but he could make sense if he's actually available.
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Post by benogliviesbrother on Jul 12, 2024 20:34:15 GMT -5
You read quite a lot into my comment, yeah? As about as much as you read into my initial comment about me often disagreeing with consensus opinion. Didnt see what was particularly controversial about that, given my usually differing viewpoint, that it merited a sarcastic remark. Had you, in fact, said, "I often disagree with consensus opinion," I wouldn't have commented. That would be your assessment of your posting and entirely your business. Plus, I typically don't pay close enough to attention to the posting habits of any particular poster to know what they do, or do not, usually post. But you said "groupthink," which I find both incorrect and insulting. So I commented, perhaps sarcastically. But now it occurs to me you've never read Orwell, and thus use a more modern definition of the word that shades closer to an individual reluctance to shuck consensus norms? I disagree with that claim too, but usually I'd just ignore such a comment rather than take offense to it and reply. So now that we've heard each other maybe we drop it and move on, yeah?
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Post by blizzards39 on Jul 12, 2024 20:39:31 GMT -5
I cant help but think the near perfect deadline additions would be - A high impact pitcher. Someone like Garret Whitlock - A inning eating starting pitcher. Like Lucas Giotillo - A RH hitting middle IF with power that plays defence. STORY
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jul 12, 2024 20:56:50 GMT -5
As about as much as you read into my initial comment about me often disagreeing with consensus opinion. Didnt see what was particularly controversial about that, given my usually differing viewpoint, that it merited a sarcastic remark. Had you, in fact, said, "I often disagree with consensus opinion," I wouldn't have commented. That would be your assessment of your posting and entirely your business. Plus, I typically don't pay close enough to attention to the posting habits of any particular poster to know what they do, or do not, usually post. But you said "groupthink," which I find both incorrect and insulting. So I commented, perhaps sarcastically. But now it occurs to me you've never read Orwell, and thus use a more modern definition of the word that shades closer to an individual reluctance to shuck consensus norms? I disagree with that claim too, but usually I'd just ignore such a comment rather than take offense to it and reply. So now that we've heard each other maybe we drop it and move on, yeah? Fine, works for me. Might have read Orwell when I was very young, but didnt really comprehend it and wound up experiencing the real 1984 anyways, which was Roger Clemens debuting, an Eck for Buck deal, a thunderous Red Sox lineup, and the Tigers getting off to that 35-5 start and dominating everybody.
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Post by pappyman99 on Jul 13, 2024 9:35:36 GMT -5
Perfect Deadline for me….
Eovaldi (yeah I think the Rangers they are already 8 back of the 3rd wild card, and their schedule seems tough the rest of the way)
Brent Rooker to split DH and LF (trade yoshida to someone like the Nariners)
Any solid to good reliever and a defensive Infielder
Rooker because more and more appealing the more I look at everything
Duran Devers Rooker Casas O’Neil/wong
Offers balance, power and protection
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Post by scottysmalls on Jul 13, 2024 9:37:32 GMT -5
How about Mark Canha? Righty 1B/OF. Mashing lefties this year. You could probably get him for basically nothing if you pay his salary. I’d take him over Dom right now and then not worry if you have to DFA him when Casas is back.
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Post by asm18 on Jul 13, 2024 9:45:32 GMT -5
How about Mark Canha? Righty 1B/OF. Mashing lefties this year. You could probably get him for basically nothing if you pay his salary. I’d take him over Dom right now and then not worry if you have to DFA him when Casas is back. I’d like that a lot actually. 148 wRC+ vs lefties this year - can play 1B and corner outfield at a competent level. I don’t even know that’d you have to DFA Dom right away either - they have Romy playing 1B vs lefties. Just send Westbrook back down and have Canha mix in at 1B/LF/DH. It’s a probably more natural fit than Justin Turner, who kinda doesn’t really have a position
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Post by scottysmalls on Jul 13, 2024 9:48:23 GMT -5
How about Mark Canha? Righty 1B/OF. Mashing lefties this year. You could probably get him for basically nothing if you pay his salary. I’d take him over Dom right now and then not worry if you have to DFA him when Casas is back. I’d like that a lot actually. 148 wRC+ vs lefties this year - can play 1B and corner outfield at a competent level. I don’t even know that’d you have to DFA Dom right away either - they have Romy playing 1B vs lefties. Just send Westbrook back down and Canha mix in at 1B/LF/DH. Yeah agree your option would be keep Dom or have a fourth MI (likely Valdez/Westbrook or Grissom when he’s ready), and then when Casas returns you choose between Canha and the fourth MI for the roster spot.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jul 13, 2024 9:52:44 GMT -5
I’d like that a lot actually. 148 wRC+ vs lefties this year - can play 1B and corner outfield at a competent level. I don’t even know that’d you have to DFA Dom right away either - they have Romy playing 1B vs lefties. Just send Westbrook back down and Canha mix in at 1B/LF/DH. Yeah agree your option would be keep Dom or have a fourth MI (likely Valdez/Westbrook or Grissom when he’s ready), and then when Casas returns you choose between Canha and the fourth MI for the roster spot. Canha is a good thought, too. Him and Flaherty could help the Sox.
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