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Post by blizzards39 on Jul 13, 2024 10:53:14 GMT -5
Bot sure the cost or if hes even available. But what about Bo Bichette. Having an aweful year but 1- RH power 2- SS. Not the best defence but solid. 3- 1 more year on deal. Could always retrade him in offseason or keep and trade Story.
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Post by trotnixon7 on Jul 13, 2024 13:30:34 GMT -5
Bot sure the cost or if hes even available. But what about Bo Bichette. Having an aweful year but 1- RH power 2- SS. Not the best defence but solid. 3- 1 more year on deal. Could always retrade him in offseason or keep and trade Story. You'd probably have to eat a big chunk of story's deal and if they planned on eating a decent chunk of any contract, I'd rather it be yoshidas.
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Post by blizzards39 on Jul 13, 2024 14:34:48 GMT -5
Zac eflin and Yandy Diaz
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Post by cheers on Jul 13, 2024 15:14:06 GMT -5
Yeah agree your option would be keep Dom or have a fourth MI (likely Valdez/Westbrook or Grissom when he’s ready), and then when Casas returns you choose between Canha and the fourth MI for the roster spot. Canha is a good thought, too. Him and Flaherty could help the Sox. I fail to see how Canha is a significant upgrade over Romy.
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Post by scottysmalls on Jul 13, 2024 15:24:47 GMT -5
Canha is a good thought, too. Him and Flaherty could help the Sox. I fail to see how Canha is a significant upgrade over Romy. he doesn’t replace Romy he replaces Westbrook or Smith
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Post by cdj on Jul 13, 2024 16:04:11 GMT -5
Paredes is my #1 target for bats
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Jul 13, 2024 17:00:36 GMT -5
I'm pounding my fist on the desk on this.
Bring back Eovaldi.
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Post by gregblossersbelly on Jul 13, 2024 17:52:18 GMT -5
I’d be pretty comfortable with Hauck, Kutter and Eovaldi going into a 3gm wild card series.
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Post by blizzards39 on Jul 13, 2024 19:24:17 GMT -5
Paredes is my #1 target for bats Parades and Rooker will be costly. Are you willing to part with 1 of big 3. That will be the asking. I think I'd rather make a move at yandy Diaz or Bo Bichette. Probably better players, just with less control and more $$ owed. If going to part with a large prospect package id say make a push for Robert
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Post by puzzler on Jul 13, 2024 19:27:20 GMT -5
Paredes is my #1 target for bats Parades and Rooker will be costly. Are you willing to part with 1 of big 3. That will be the asking. I think I'd rather make a move at yandy Diaz or Bo Bichette. Probably better players, just with less control and more $$ owed. If going to part with a large prospect package id say make a push for Robert I don't think Paredes is getting a top 100 prospect, but I'd love to hear why he would and Bichette wouldn't. Regardless Bichette is not available and not being traded. EDIT: I'd be supportive of adding Yandy Diaz though. Just like Arozarena, his numbers over the last month have been fantastic and he's exactly the kind of hitter that can boost Devers and Casas. He really should not cost much in terms of prospects. The only issue with him is long term - does he fit on the roster. He's really only a 1B or DH.
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Post by julyanmorley on Jul 13, 2024 19:30:46 GMT -5
Parades has one of the slowest bats in the majors + major xwOBA overperformer. Too scary for me
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Post by melvinhoggs on Jul 13, 2024 20:04:29 GMT -5
Parades and Rooker will be costly. Are you willing to part with 1 of big 3. That will be the asking. I think I'd rather make a move at yandy Diaz or Bo Bichette. Probably better players, just with less control and more $$ owed. If going to part with a large prospect package id say make a push for Robert I don't think Paredes is getting a top 100 prospect, but I'd love to hear why he would and Bichette wouldn't. Regardless Bichette is not available and not being traded. EDIT: I'd be supportive of adding Yandy Diaz though. Just like Arozarena, his numbers over the last month have been fantastic and he's exactly the kind of hitter that can boost Devers and Casas. He really should not cost much in terms of prospects. The only issue with him is long term - does he fit on the roster. He's really only a 1B or DH. Paredes has 3.5 years of team control left and is on pace to put up back-to-back 4+ WAR seasons. Bichette is awesome but he's a free agent after next year and he's currently having his worst season since he debuted.
To be clear, I think the cost for either would be very high – but I don't think there's a prayer of getting Paredes without a headlining (top-100 type) prospect.
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Post by puzzler on Jul 13, 2024 20:17:00 GMT -5
I don't think Paredes is getting a top 100 prospect, but I'd love to hear why he would and Bichette wouldn't. Regardless Bichette is not available and not being traded. EDIT: I'd be supportive of adding Yandy Diaz though. Just like Arozarena, his numbers over the last month have been fantastic and he's exactly the kind of hitter that can boost Devers and Casas. He really should not cost much in terms of prospects. The only issue with him is long term - does he fit on the roster. He's really only a 1B or DH. Paredes has 3.5 years of team control left and is on pace to put up back-to-back 4+ WAR seasons. Bichette is awesome but he's a free agent after next year and he's currently having his worst season since he debuted.
To be clear, I think the cost for either would be very high – but I don't think there's a prayer of getting Paredes without a headlining (top-100 type) prospect.
Well, you may be right - but I'm not giving up a top 100 guy for some pop and a pretty good eye. Everything else about Paredes screams not here for a long time to me. Literally 'bottom of the barrel' in barrel percentage, hard hit percentage and bat speed - at age 25 and at his size. I'm wary.
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Post by cdj on Jul 13, 2024 20:34:18 GMT -5
Paredes has 3.5 years of team control left and is on pace to put up back-to-back 4+ WAR seasons. Bichette is awesome but he's a free agent after next year and he's currently having his worst season since he debuted.
To be clear, I think the cost for either would be very high – but I don't think there's a prayer of getting Paredes without a headlining (top-100 type) prospect.
Well, you may be right - but I'm not giving up a top 100 guy for some pop and a pretty good eye. Everything else about Paredes screams not here for a long time to me. Literally 'bottom of the barrel' in barrel percentage, hard hit percentage and bat speed - at age 25 and at his size. I'm wary. It’s definitely eyebrow raising but it’s been that way since he made his debut. He’s a weird player, he may just be an outlier. Some people just make it work. Dead pull power
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Post by nags112 on Jul 13, 2024 22:03:26 GMT -5
I’d be pretty comfortable with Hauck, Kutter and Eovaldi going into a 3gm wild card series. Imagine saying that like 5 months ago
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Post by dirtywaterinla on Jul 13, 2024 22:47:49 GMT -5
I fail to see how Canha is a significant upgrade over Romy. he doesn’t replace Romy he replaces Westbrook or Smith Completely forgot about Canha. I like this fit. Definitely has some Steve Pearce vibes to it.
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Post by patford on Jul 13, 2024 22:55:52 GMT -5
Looking at what the Royals gave up for Hunter Harvey I think it's time to rethink what it's being proposed would be enough to acquire just about any pitcher with a beating heart. One thing I don't get is Jeff Passan writes, "For the 29-year-old Harvey, Washington will receive the 39th pick in Sunday's MLB draft as well as third baseman Cayden Wallace, one of Kansas City's top prospects..." When did MLB begin allowing teams to trade draft picks?
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Post by wanderingdude on Jul 13, 2024 23:16:14 GMT -5
Looking at what the Royals gave up for Hunter Harvey I think it's time to rethink what it's being proposed would be enough to acquire just about any pitcher with a beating heart. One thing I don't get is Jeff Passan writes, "For the 29-year-old Harvey, Washington will receive the 39th pick in Sunday's MLB draft as well as third baseman Cayden Wallace, one of Kansas City's top prospects..."
When did MLB begin allowing teams to trade draft picks? I believe you have always been able to trade certain comp picks. I don’t think the Red Sox have ever had these picks though, as i believe they are revenue receiving/small market related.
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Post by blizzards39 on Jul 13, 2024 23:41:08 GMT -5
Well, you may be right - but I'm not giving up a top 100 guy for some pop and a pretty good eye. Everything else about Paredes screams not here for a long time to me. Literally 'bottom of the barrel' in barrel percentage, hard hit percentage and bat speed - at age 25 and at his size. I'm wary. It’s definitely eyebrow raising but it’s been that way since he made his debut. He’s a weird player, he may just be an outlier. Some people just make it work. Dead pull power To make myself clear, im also wary of Parades. That said no way the Rays trade him without a solid return. As for Diaz the term is fantastic. Next year at 10M and then 12m$ team option. Talk about surplus value. Unfortunately that rays know this to. Diaz will also not come cheap. Nor would Arozarena
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Post by dirtywaterinla on Jul 13, 2024 23:57:25 GMT -5
It’s definitely eyebrow raising but it’s been that way since he made his debut. He’s a weird player, he may just be an outlier. Some people just make it work. Dead pull power To make myself clear, im also wary of Parades. That said no way the Rays trade him without a solid return. As for Diaz the term is fantastic. Next year at 10M and then 12m$ team option. Talk about surplus value. Unfortunately that rays know this to. Diaz will also not come cheap. Nor would Arozarena After thought and reviewing a lot of the dialogue here, (1) I don’t think any of the Rays hitters are a good match for this team and (2) the Rays ask is going to be unreasonable for any of them given they’re in the same division. I just don’t see any of this happening just as I think that anything with Guerrero or Bichette and the Blue Jays not happening.
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Post by dirtywaterinla on Jul 14, 2024 0:00:14 GMT -5
Looking at what the Royals gave up for Hunter Harvey I think it's time to rethink what it's being proposed would be enough to acquire just about any pitcher with a beating heart. One thing I don't get is Jeff Passan writes, "For the 29-year-old Harvey, Washington will receive the 39th pick in Sunday's MLB draft as well as third baseman Cayden Wallace, one of Kansas City's top prospects..."
When did MLB begin allowing teams to trade draft picks? The Royals are a bad gauge to determine the trade market — they’re just awful at making trades, full stop. This one might be the worst of them all.
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Post by mparker on Jul 14, 2024 0:04:29 GMT -5
I hope the royals trade doesn’t set the market unreasonably high
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Post by cdj on Jul 14, 2024 0:39:30 GMT -5
Looking at what the Royals gave up for Hunter Harvey I think it's time to rethink what it's being proposed would be enough to acquire just about any pitcher with a beating heart. One thing I don't get is Jeff Passan writes, "For the 29-year-old Harvey, Washington will receive the 39th pick in Sunday's MLB draft as well as third baseman Cayden Wallace, one of Kansas City's top prospects..."
When did MLB begin allowing teams to trade draft picks? ….kinda makes me wanna throw Kenley out there
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Post by puzzler on Jul 14, 2024 0:40:32 GMT -5
Looking at what the Royals gave up for Hunter Harvey I think it's time to rethink what it's being proposed would be enough to acquire just about any pitcher with a beating heart. One thing I don't get is Jeff Passan writes, "For the 29-year-old Harvey, Washington will receive the 39th pick in Sunday's MLB draft as well as third baseman Cayden Wallace, one of Kansas City's top prospects..."
When did MLB begin allowing teams to trade draft picks? The Royals are a bad gauge to determine the trade market — they’re just awful at making trades, full stop. This one might be the worst of them all. Trying to be objective, and not really knowing anything about their farm system - but if it is one of the poorer ones, then it stands to reason they don't really have the ammo for a larger acquisition or multiple acquisitions. This may be the only trade they make for a team very much in the thick of it for the wild card. Given that - they identify a player they want (even if they don't know what they are doing) and they offer more value than the player is worth because they only risk losing the player if they hold out for a fair trade. And if people are saying this draft is not a good one or a particularly deep one, then they might not value the pick they traded as highly as they normally would. Still seems like a bad trade, but I don't think this really sets any kind of standard. Fact is the better players available were always going to command a lot - I still think there will be assets that can be had for reasonable prices - especially relievers and position players that fill needs.
All that said, trading Wallace, the 39th pick ($2.3MM slot value) and David Sandlin for two middle relievers is...ooooof.
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Post by asm18 on Jul 14, 2024 6:58:09 GMT -5
Looking at what the Royals gave up for Hunter Harvey I think it's time to rethink what it's being proposed would be enough to acquire just about any pitcher with a beating heart. One thing I don't get is Jeff Passan writes, "For the 29-year-old Harvey, Washington will receive the 39th pick in Sunday's MLB draft as well as third baseman Cayden Wallace, one of Kansas City's top prospects..."
When did MLB begin allowing teams to trade draft picks? ….kinda makes me wanna throw Kenley out there If the front office identifies a trade for Kenley that they legitimately think is “Chapman for Cole Ragans” 2.0 it’s completely defensible - but we need to be clear-minded that your 2024 bullpen (and with it your 2024 season) is f***ed if he gets moved. Bear in mind: Martin and Slaten are on the shelf, Liam Hendricks is still rehabbing. And their month of August includes a 29 games in 30 day stretch featuring HOU, KC, BAL, and the two World Series teams from last year. Like if anyone is looking forward to like, Greg Weissert and Josh Winckowski as set-up guys… all power to ya. Again - the trade return might be juicy and fully justified, but that opportunity cost is not fun
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