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Post by scottysmalls on Jul 14, 2024 8:27:25 GMT -5
I’m not sure the Royals gave up as much for Harvey as it seems. The draft pick in a vacuum is good but this draft is supposedly historically weak, and Wallace is a light hitting righty who is currently 3B only and dealt with a soft tissue injury this year.
It’s not bad, but like in Red Sox terms I don’t think either of them would be in our top 15 prospects, maybe Wallace is borderline there I think you could debate him/Lugo/Paulino/Castro. Reasonable minds may disagree here, and I’m sure the underlying batted ball data would be informative. As for the draft pick it seems based on the reports I can find if they take the best player available that person would be somewhere in the back half of the top 20, maybe down to 25 or so depending on who it was.
That said, given the relative importance of wins for the Red Sox this year (as opposed to the Nationals), if we were to move Kenley I’d want a better return. Still not against the idea of that and to asm’s concerns, personally if they do trade Jansen I’ll take that as a good sign for their faith in Slaten/Martin/Hendriks the rest of the way.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jul 14, 2024 8:44:38 GMT -5
I’m not sure the Royals gave up as much for Harvey as it seems. The draft pick in a vacuum is good but this draft is supposedly historically weak, and Wallace is a light hitting righty who is currently 3B only and dealt with a soft tissue injury this year. It’s not bad, but like in Red Sox terms I don’t think either of them would be in our top 15 prospects, maybe Wallace is borderline there I think you could debate him/Lugo/Paulino/Castro. Reasonable minds may disagree here, and I’m sure the underlying batted ball data would be informative. As for the draft pick it seems based on the reports I can find if they take the best player available that person would be somewhere in the back half of the top 20, maybe down to 25 or so depending on who it was. That said, given the relative importance of wins for the Red Sox this year (as opposed to the Nationals), if we were to move Kenley I’d want a better return. Still not against the idea of that and to asm’s concerns, personally if they do trade Jansen I’ll take that as a good sign for their faith in Slaten/Martin/Hendriks the rest of the way. Those are 3 guys with big health questions. If the Sox trade Kenley then that means they're not trying to win this year and that would piss off the fanbase and more importantly the clubhouse. Sometimes the best way to get somewhere is the obvious way, the straight line. Trying to thread the needle is fun to do in theory but in reality is much more risky and likely to torpedo a season. As long as the Sox dont go on some extended losing streak in the 2 weeks after the break Jansen isnt going anywhere and rightfully so. If the Sox add on, they not only should make the postseason but they could make some noise there when getting there, kind of like in 21.
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Post by scottysmalls on Jul 14, 2024 8:49:54 GMT -5
I’m not sure the Royals gave up as much for Harvey as it seems. The draft pick in a vacuum is good but this draft is supposedly historically weak, and Wallace is a light hitting righty who is currently 3B only and dealt with a soft tissue injury this year. It’s not bad, but like in Red Sox terms I don’t think either of them would be in our top 15 prospects, maybe Wallace is borderline there I think you could debate him/Lugo/Paulino/Castro. Reasonable minds may disagree here, and I’m sure the underlying batted ball data would be informative. As for the draft pick it seems based on the reports I can find if they take the best player available that person would be somewhere in the back half of the top 20, maybe down to 25 or so depending on who it was. That said, given the relative importance of wins for the Red Sox this year (as opposed to the Nationals), if we were to move Kenley I’d want a better return. Still not against the idea of that and to asm’s concerns, personally if they do trade Jansen I’ll take that as a good sign for their faith in Slaten/Martin/Hendriks the rest of the way. Those are 3 guys with big health questions. If the Sox trade Kenley then that means they're not trying to win this year and that would piss off the fanbase and more importantly the clubhouse. Sometimes the best way to get somewhere is the obvious way, the straight line. Trying to thread the needle is fun to do in theory but in reality is much more risky and likely to torpedo a season. As long as the Sox dont go on some extended losing streak in the 2 weeks after the break Jansen isnt going anywhere and rightfully so. If the Sox add on, they not only should make the postseason but they could make some noise there when getting there, kind of like in 21. I know they’re three guys with big health questions. My point is I do not agree that trading Jansen means they aren’t trying to compete this year, it might mean that the Red Sox believe the answers to those health questions are positive ones. They could also trade Jansen and still get better overall by acquiring a starter. I’m not even necessarily advocating for the approach I just really don’t think it’s as black and white as you believe.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jul 14, 2024 9:01:17 GMT -5
Those are 3 guys with big health questions. If the Sox trade Kenley then that means they're not trying to win this year and that would piss off the fanbase and more importantly the clubhouse. Sometimes the best way to get somewhere is the obvious way, the straight line. Trying to thread the needle is fun to do in theory but in reality is much more risky and likely to torpedo a season. As long as the Sox dont go on some extended losing streak in the 2 weeks after the break Jansen isnt going anywhere and rightfully so. If the Sox add on, they not only should make the postseason but they could make some noise there when getting there, kind of like in 21. I know they’re three guys with big health questions. My point is I do not agree that trading Jansen means they aren’t trying to compete this year, it might mean that the Red Sox believe the answers to those health questions are positive ones. They could also trade Jansen and still get better overall by acquiring a starter. I’m not even necessarily advocating for the approach I just really don’t think it’s as black and white as you believe. Have to agree to disagree there. I dont think a reasonable person assumes health and effectiveness for a pitcher who hasn't pitched in over a year in Hendrik or a pitcher in Martin who's been injured almost as much as he's been healthy and hasn't dominated the way he did last year. And Slaten is already feeling the effects of the major league season, which he isn't used to and he has zero closing experience. And then there's the question of what team is going to trade a starter who's a serious upgrade for the Sox for a closer? This is such theoretical stuff. I don't really see how this happens in reality. Then there's the obvious thing that Bloom tried this nonsensical approach which accomplished nothing and got fired. I think Breslow is smart enough not to repeat that, which is why he's been clear about picking a lane. I do think it's black and white in this particular case.
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Post by cheers on Jul 14, 2024 9:47:41 GMT -5
I fail to see how Canha is a significant upgrade over Romy. he doesn’t replace Romy he replaces Westbrook or Smith I should have fleshed out my thought more. I think Romy is equivalent to Canha as Casas' backup at 1st - making a Canha pickup redundant. Not worth further clogging up the 40 man.
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Post by pappyman99 on Jul 14, 2024 10:39:51 GMT -5
Harvey is 1-5 WAR pitcher running three years in a row and is also controlled next season, not sure why people are considering him a bum
He is a very effective reliever going to a team right behind us in Huge need of bullpen help
Royals overpaid a bit for sure, but this goes to Cora’s point from a month ago. You can just sit pat while everyone around you makes moves and expect the same results relative to those teams
The last 2 years the lane to pick was sell, as we were very much trending down leading to the deadline
Right now we are trending up and think we should be responsible buyers or big buyers if it’s for productive controlled players
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Post by jbuttah on Jul 14, 2024 10:56:22 GMT -5
If Eovaldi is available at a reasonable cost, he'd be the perfect addition: proven playoff performer, can be relied on to go 6-7 innings.
Then somehow balancing out some lefties for equivalent righties, have no idea how, but Valdez, Yoshida heading out would be good.
Have hopes for Yorke/Lugo to provide some right handed punch later in the season. Fitts providing some quality innings. Mata/Guerrero shoring up the pen.
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Post by dirtywaterinla on Jul 14, 2024 11:20:02 GMT -5
If Eovaldi is available at a reasonable cost, he'd be the perfect addition: proven playoff performer, can be relied on to go 6-7 innings. Then somehow balancing out some lefties for equivalent righties, have no idea how, but Valdez, Yoshida heading out would be good. Have hopes for Yorke/Lugo to provide some right handed punch later in the season. Fitts providing some quality innings. Mata/Guerrero shoring up the pen. Couldn’t agree more. Eovaldi should be your primary target over all the names thrown out there. I will say that it would likely cost you Fitts, Lugo or Guerrero though. I also don’t have much confidence that Fitts can give you any quality innings this season. He’s looked a little overmatched at times this year.
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Post by dirtywaterinla on Jul 14, 2024 11:24:37 GMT -5
he doesn’t replace Romy he replaces Westbrook or Smith I should have fleshed out my thought more. I think Romy is equivalent to Canha as Casas' backup at 1st - making a Canha pickup redundant. Not worth further clogging up the 40 man. I don’t think Canha is redundant w/ Romy. They are very different players and Romy is a bit of an adventure @ 1B. Would much rather them prioritize his role play @ 2B/SS/3B.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jul 14, 2024 11:47:29 GMT -5
If Eovaldi is available at a reasonable cost, he'd be the perfect addition: proven playoff performer, can be relied on to go 6-7 innings. Then somehow balancing out some lefties for equivalent righties, have no idea how, but Valdez, Yoshida heading out would be good. Have hopes for Yorke/Lugo to provide some right handed punch later in the season. Fitts providing some quality innings. Mata/Guerrero shoring up the pen. Couldn’t agree more. Eovaldi should be your primary target over all the names thrown out there. I will say that it would likely cost you Fitts, Lugo or Guerrero though. I also don’t have much confidence that Fitts can give you any quality innings this season. He’s looked a little overmatched at times this year. If it really cost them a back end starter, a utility man, and a likely reliever I'd make that deal for Eovaldi in a nanosecond. I would think Texas could extract a better primary piece for a quality post sesson stalwart like Eovaldi, even as a rental, from other teams as he would be attractive to the many teams still in competition for a playoff spot.
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Post by dirtywaterinla on Jul 14, 2024 11:53:22 GMT -5
Couldn’t agree more. Eovaldi should be your primary target over all the names thrown out there. I will say that it would likely cost you Fitts, Lugo or Guerrero though. I also don’t have much confidence that Fitts can give you any quality innings this season. He’s looked a little overmatched at times this year. If it really cost them a back end starter, a utility man, and a likely reliever I'd make that deal for Eovaldi in a nanosecond. I would think Texas could extract a better primary piece for a quality post sesson stalwart like Eovaldi, even as a rental, from other teams as he would be attractive to the many teams still in competition for a playoff spot. Yeah, agreed. I’d imagine their starting ask would be Campbell which of course would be denied. Maybe Hunter Dobbins and 1-2 others is a realistic landing point?
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jul 14, 2024 11:58:29 GMT -5
If it really cost them a back end starter, a utility man, and a likely reliever I'd make that deal for Eovaldi in a nanosecond. I would think Texas could extract a better primary piece for a quality post sesson stalwart like Eovaldi, even as a rental, from other teams as he would be attractive to the many teams still in competition for a playoff spot. Yeah, agreed. I’d imagine their starting ask would be Campbell which of course would be denied. Maybe Hunter Dobbins and 1-2 others is a realistic landing point? I'd think they would look at that 2nd tier starting with Campbell although I'm not yet convinced that he doesnt belong with the big 3. I think Yorke and/or Bleis are more likely to be dealt for pitching help. Maybe even the young SS Arias. Brooks Brannon is another guy teams might target or Jhostnyxon Garcia. I could see Lugo but he's more of secondary piece.
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Post by ematz1423 on Jul 14, 2024 11:59:59 GMT -5
For half a year of eovaldi I don't think I'd want to give up fitts. I'm a prospect hugger though.
Lugo I don't know, he was borderline not a guy to really pay much attention to going into this year but now is in AAA having a nice year as a RHH bat that the organization is in short supply of.
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Post by jbuttah on Jul 14, 2024 12:01:52 GMT -5
Yeah, agreed. I’d imagine their starting ask would be Campbell which of course would be denied. Maybe Hunter Dobbins and 1-2 others is a realistic landing point? I'd think they would look at that 2nd tier starting with Campbell although I'm not yet convinced that he doesnt belong with the big 3. I think Yorke and/or Bleis are more likely to be dealt for pitching help. Maybe even the young SS Arias. Brooks Brannon is another guy teams might target or Jhostnyxon Garcia. I'd be willing to do Sandlin & Zannatello.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jul 14, 2024 12:04:45 GMT -5
I'd think they would look at that 2nd tier starting with Campbell although I'm not yet convinced that he doesnt belong with the big 3. I think Yorke and/or Bleis are more likely to be dealt for pitching help. Maybe even the young SS Arias. Brooks Brannon is another guy teams might target or Jhostnyxon Garcia. I'd be willing to do Sandlin & Zannatello. I could see that being a more realistic ask. Sandlin would be tough for me because I think he could be a front line starter and other than Perales whose future is a bit uncertain they lack for potential top end pitching in the system, but your position is certainly defensible if you think it's very unlikely that he reaches that level.
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Post by dirtywaterinla on Jul 14, 2024 12:20:16 GMT -5
I'd think they would look at that 2nd tier starting with Campbell although I'm not yet convinced that he doesnt belong with the big 3. I think Yorke and/or Bleis are more likely to be dealt for pitching help. Maybe even the young SS Arias. Brooks Brannon is another guy teams might target or Jhostnyxon Garcia. I'd be willing to do Sandlin & Zannatello. Sandlin is nearly untouchable for me. With the injury to Perales, he’s probably the one pitcher with the most upside in a very thin pitching system.
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Post by puzzler on Jul 14, 2024 12:21:38 GMT -5
I'd be willing to do Sandlin & Zannatello. Sandlin is nearly untouchable for me. With the injury to Perales, he’s probably the one pitcher with the most upside in a very thin pitching system. Yeah, as much as I would prefer Eovaldi to other starters - I'd rather get someone else than trade Sandlin. Fitts and Zanetello and even someone else further down the list, I would do in a heartbeat.
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Post by dirtywaterinla on Jul 14, 2024 12:22:58 GMT -5
Sandlin is nearly untouchable for me. With the injury to Perales, he’s probably the one pitcher with the most upside in a very thin pitching system. Yeah, as much as I would prefer Eovaldi to other starters - I'd rather get someone else than trade Sandlin. Fitts and Zanetello and even someone else further down the list, I would do in a heartbeat. Absolutely. I think the only conditions that I’d be ok with Sandlin going is if he were a piece of a larger package where the team is getting a SP w/ multiple years of control.
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Post by kwodes on Jul 14, 2024 12:49:12 GMT -5
For half a year of eovaldi I don't think I'd want to give up fitts. I'm a prospect hugger though. Lugo I don't know, he was borderline not a guy to really pay much attention to going into this year but now is in AAA having a nice year as a RHH bat that the organization is in short supply of. in my mind, it's more about what I don't want to give up as opposed to what we get. I don't want to give up any of the top 6 guys or pitchers. If that means we don't get anyone substantial then so be it, but I think we can get a RHH and a SP for that. Obviously, no one great, but a turner/canha and a Lorenzen type.
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Post by jbuttah on Jul 14, 2024 13:38:45 GMT -5
Yeah, as much as I would prefer Eovaldi to other starters - I'd rather get someone else than trade Sandlin. Fitts and Zanetello and even someone else further down the list, I would do in a heartbeat. Absolutely. I think the only conditions that I’d be ok with Sandlin going is if he were a piece of a larger package where the team is getting a SP w/ multiple years of control. That's why you draft Yesavage tonight!!!
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Post by pappyman99 on Jul 14, 2024 15:48:57 GMT -5
I think we tell ourselves
What can we get my making everyone available except one of Bleis/Cespedes and Campbell, Teel, Mayer, Anthony, and Sandlin
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Post by benogliviesbrother on Jul 14, 2024 15:53:50 GMT -5
I think we tell ourselves What can we get my making everyone available except one of Bleis/Cespedes and Campbell, Teel, Mayer, Anthony, and Sandlin That's a N O for me, dawg.
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Post by dirtywaterinla on Jul 14, 2024 16:06:42 GMT -5
I think we tell ourselves What can we get my making everyone available except one of Bleis/Cespedes and Campbell, Teel, Mayer, Anthony, and Sandlin Eh, I’m okay with trading Cespedes and/or Bleis, but both are hurt/underperforming so I don’t think they can be utilized as main pieces for a trade.
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Post by asm18 on Jul 14, 2024 16:24:32 GMT -5
From before today’s game - Breslow on NESN:
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Post by pawtucketwalt on Jul 14, 2024 18:33:12 GMT -5
I'd think they would look at that 2nd tier starting with Campbell although I'm not yet convinced that he doesnt belong with the big 3. I think Yorke and/or Bleis are more likely to be dealt for pitching help. Maybe even the young SS Arias. Brooks Brannon is another guy teams might target or Jhostnyxon Garcia. I'd be willing to do Sandlin & Zannatello. Bleis for sure. Has done nothing in the last 2 years. Keep Yorke and trade Grissom.
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