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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jul 14, 2024 18:34:35 GMT -5
I'd be willing to do Sandlin & Zannatello. Bleis for sure. Has done nothing in the last 2 years. Keep Yorke and trade Grissom. I'd keep Grissom and deal Yorke. If Grissom is healthy he can hit.
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Post by gregblossersbelly on Jul 14, 2024 19:27:20 GMT -5
Trading Bleis or Grissom is selling low. Allen Castro has been heating up. OPS over .800 and just turned 21 in high A. Yorke and Castro is a decent package for an arm.
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Post by asm18 on Jul 14, 2024 20:15:16 GMT -5
Giants GM Farhan Zaidi a few days ago after a loss to the Blue Jays:
“We're well over $200 million in terms of our payroll. I think we need the players to show us what the right direction is for us. […] If we show signs of life and feel like we're a piece away from really making a run, that will dictate things. If we keep playing the way we did for the last five days, we're gonna have to think about selling and seeing some younger players, because when I talk to Giant fans, that's what you hear about a lot is, you know, they're as excited about the guys who may be here for the next five or six years and we have a lot of those guys coming up in Sacramento now than guys who are, maybe going to be free agents at the end of this year or next year."
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Post by taiwansox on Jul 14, 2024 20:51:28 GMT -5
Thoughts on Brent Rooker as a trade target? It would be expensive, but we need a long term RHH and there’s no obvious players coming up
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Post by ancientsoxfogey on Jul 14, 2024 20:57:47 GMT -5
Go get Crochet.
Anthony Yorke Fitts Cespedes A wild-card pitcher in the lower minors
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Post by dirtywaterinla on Jul 14, 2024 22:37:54 GMT -5
Go get Crochet. Anthony Yorke Fitts Cespedes A wild-card pitcher in the lower minors I do that trade for Skubal but not Crochet. I was very into the idea of Crochet myself but this is by far the most innings he’s ever thrown and there has been discussions in various articles that he might have to take a relief role for most of the season before ramping back up as a starter for the playoffs. Highly likely the Dodgers or Orioles will overpay for Crochet and regret it (for this season).
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Post by dirtywaterinla on Jul 14, 2024 22:39:35 GMT -5
Thoughts on Brent Rooker as a trade target? It would be expensive, but we need a long term RHH and there’s no obvious players coming up I saw a very interesting Fangraphs article on Rooker that made me more a fan of him, but I do think the midseason asking price is going to be too high. Very likely the A’s would stand pat on an ask of one of the big 4.
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Post by dirtywaterinla on Jul 14, 2024 22:43:20 GMT -5
Bleis for sure. Has done nothing in the last 2 years. Keep Yorke and trade Grissom. I'd keep Grissom and deal Yorke. If Grissom is healthy he can hit. Yeah, Yorke has to be the biggest trade asset the team has right now. Grissom has virtually half (at best) of his value when he was first acquired and couldn’t be used as a centerpiece for any significant move. However, I still believe Grissom has a much higher ceiling than Yorke, who, by the way, has some very concerning stats against LHP.
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Post by taiwansox on Jul 14, 2024 23:22:57 GMT -5
Go get Crochet. Anthony Yorke Fitts Cespedes A wild-card pitcher in the lower minors I do that trade for Skubal but not Crochet. I was very into the idea of Crochet myself but this is by far the most innings he’s ever thrown and there has been discussions in various articles that he might have to take a relief role for most of the season before ramping back up as a starter for the playoffs. Highly likely the Dodgers or Orioles will overpay for Crochet and regret it (for this season). Trading for Crochet would be like trading for Shelby Miller, overpaying for a very good pitcher but not an ace with a track record. DD got that much correct where he would overpay for premium talent. It’s the same philosophy as Buffett/Munger buying an excellent company at a fair price. There just aren’t that many pitchers who fit the mold to trade multiple top 50 prospects and other top 100 prospects
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Post by taiwansox on Jul 14, 2024 23:24:56 GMT -5
Thoughts on Brent Rooker as a trade target? It would be expensive, but we need a long term RHH and there’s no obvious players coming up I saw a very interesting Fangraphs article on Rooker that made me more a fan of him, but I do think the midseason asking price is going to be too high. Very likely the A’s would stand pat on an ask of one of the big 4. I could see them possibly moving one of the big 4, but the argument is probably less about reluctance to trade them and more about having to use trade chips on pitching…does make us wonder what RHH bat is out on the FA market, trade market, and even our farm
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Post by nags112 on Jul 14, 2024 23:50:36 GMT -5
Thoughts on Brent Rooker as a trade target? It would be expensive, but we need a long term RHH and there’s no obvious players coming up I saw a very interesting Fangraphs article on Rooker that made me more a fan of him, but I do think the midseason asking price is going to be too high. Very likely the A’s would stand pat on an ask of one of the big 4. A bold (?) take, but I’m totally fine with a Campbell-led package. I think he’s the real deal, but he’s the top-tier I’m most okay with dealing
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Post by dirtywaterinla on Jul 15, 2024 0:05:12 GMT -5
I saw a very interesting Fangraphs article on Rooker that made me more a fan of him, but I do think the midseason asking price is going to be too high. Very likely the A’s would stand pat on an ask of one of the big 4. A bold (?) take, but I’m totally fine with a Campbell-led package. I think he’s the real deal, but he’s the top-tier I’m most okay with dealing I mighttttttt do that. Rooker does have what? 4 years of control left?
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Post by keninten on Jul 15, 2024 1:25:02 GMT -5
I`m probably going to sound a bit nuts here but, what about Wilyer being the headliner for Rooker? We`d have too many OFers adding Rooker. Now may be the time to sell high on Wilyer. He looks to be a platoon player. We`d still have Duran, Rafaela, TON, Ref, and Masa at DH. How much would need to be added for a Booker for Wilyer trade? Lugo and/or Valdez?
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Post by scottysmalls on Jul 15, 2024 7:44:26 GMT -5
I do that trade for Skubal but not Crochet. I was very into the idea of Crochet myself but this is by far the most innings he’s ever thrown and there has been discussions in various articles that he might have to take a relief role for most of the season before ramping back up as a starter for the playoffs. Highly likely the Dodgers or Orioles will overpay for Crochet and regret it (for this season). Trading for Crochet would be like trading for Shelby Miller, overpaying for a very good pitcher but not an ace with a track record. DD got that much correct where he would overpay for premium talent. It’s the same philosophy as Buffett/Munger buying an excellent company at a fair price. There just aren’t that many pitchers who fit the mold to trade multiple top 50 prospects and other top 100 prospects Disagree, Crochet is a league above where Shelby Miller ever was. He has more WAR in half a season than Miller ever put up in a year and he leads MLB in both fWAR and xERA. I really think the only question mark with him is health but if he pitches he’s going to be excellent.
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Post by cdj on Jul 15, 2024 8:03:36 GMT -5
Only pitcher I’d trade Roman for is Skubal (and Skenes but he will never be available)
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Post by alexcorahomevideo on Jul 15, 2024 8:50:18 GMT -5
Yeah if Skubal is available, and they're willing to actually pay the guy, then you empty the chambers for him.
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Post by pappyman99 on Jul 15, 2024 11:10:49 GMT -5
I`m probably going to sound a bit nuts here but, what about Wilyer being the headliner for Rooker? We`d have too many OFers adding Rooker. Now may be the time to sell high on Wilyer. He looks to be a platoon player. We`d still have Duran, Rafaela, TON, Ref, and Masa at DH. How much would need to be added for a Booker for Wilyer trade? Lugo and/or Valdez? I wouldn’t hate it but the problem is Yoshida Abreu, Dobbins, and Wilkelman? They get a younger more controllable and productive MLB player with pitching prospects they can work with. We get a right handed power bat for 3 more years after this one Rooker is an underrated bat for sure
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Post by thegoodthebadthesox on Jul 15, 2024 11:24:44 GMT -5
Only pitcher I’d trade Roman for is Skubal (and Skenes but he will never be available) This is super off topic but I was wondering the other day if there was any possible package the Pirates wouldn't immediately hang up the phone on. Like, if the Orioles offered Holliday, Basallo, Mayo, and Kjerstad or something insane like that.
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Post by asm18 on Jul 15, 2024 11:35:10 GMT -5
Baseball Trade Values is a difficult site to use this time of year of because the literal nature of their model - where a player’s trade value is essentially their estimated future value on the field in relation to how much their salary obligations/years of control are. That’s what allows you to go on the site and create an insane trade that’s like “Miguel Bleis for Vlad Guerrero Jr. and Yusei Kikuchi” that their model will accept (and will never happen.) There are obviously other factors at play, such as supply/demand among teams - as well as GM’s asking themselves “will my owner/fanbase murder me for this?”
However their model does give a good snapshot of the trade value discrepancy of some starting pitcher examples the Sox could theoretically target:
Crochet: 58.5 mil in surplus value Fedde: 20.9
Eovaldi: 4.8 Kikuchi: 5.3 Flaherty: 8.5
Bassitt: -5.7 Snell: -12.9 Taillon: -13.5
Again, you don’t have to take this too literally. 1. These are estimates. 2. You’re not gonna just hand over nickels and dimes for Nate for instance - not when like the Padres and Dodgers are on the other line ready to go nuts. But certainly that last category of guys is interesting if you’re willing to take on some financial risk and don’t want to have to cough up major prospects.
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Post by scottysmalls on Jul 15, 2024 11:40:37 GMT -5
Re; Eovaldi I think there's a decent chance the Rangers hang tight. Defending WS champs, only 5 games back in their division right now. If they play decently post ASB they might just keep everyone.
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Post by dirtywaterinla on Jul 15, 2024 12:38:32 GMT -5
Re; Eovaldi I think there's a decent chance the Rangers hang tight. Defending WS champs, only 5 games back in their division right now. If they play decently post ASB they might just keep everyone. Yeah I think it’s going to come down to the day before or day of the deadline if they decide to sell. If they’re 4 or 5 back still, I’d imagine they’d sell.
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Post by oleary25 on Jul 15, 2024 15:08:08 GMT -5
Outside the box idea. What if we reacquired Yoan Mencoda? He can play second or 3B. He is also a switch hitter. Granted not a ton of power with 11 Hr last year but with the monster there may help.He will be coming back from abductor strain after the Allstar brake . White Sox would need to eat some of his salary. However on the downside he has a 25 million dollar option with a 5 million buy out.
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Post by dirtywaterinla on Jul 15, 2024 16:18:48 GMT -5
Outside the box idea. What if we reacquired Yoan Mencoda? He can play second or 3B. He is also a switch hitter. Granted not a ton of power with 11 Hr last year but with the monster there may help.He will be coming back from abductor strain after the Allstar brake . White Sox would need to eat some of his salary. However on the downside he has a 25 million dollar option with a 5 million buy out. No thanks. It’s going to take some time to ramp up once again and in general has grossly underperformed all his expectations with terrible defense.
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Post by thegoodthebadthesox on Jul 15, 2024 16:25:00 GMT -5
Outside the box idea. What if we reacquired Yoan Mencoda? He can play second or 3B. He is also a switch hitter. Granted not a ton of power with 11 Hr last year but with the monster there may help.He will be coming back from abductor strain after the Allstar brake . White Sox would need to eat some of his salary. However on the downside he has a 25 million dollar option with a 5 million buy out. I know we're not supposed to put official trade proposals in this thread, but I have a two part proposal: We send Vaughn Grissom to Atlanta for Chris Sale, then flip Chris Sale to Chicago for Moncada and.. I don't know, Michael Kopech?
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Post by orion09 on Jul 15, 2024 18:20:39 GMT -5
Outside the box idea. What if we reacquired Yoan Mencoda? He can play second or 3B. He is also a switch hitter. Granted not a ton of power with 11 Hr last year but with the monster there may help.He will be coming back from abductor strain after the Allstar brake . White Sox would need to eat some of his salary. However on the downside he has a 25 million dollar option with a 5 million buy out. I know we're not supposed to put official trade proposals in this thread, but I have a two part proposal: We send Vaughn Grissom to Atlanta for Chris Sale, then flip Chris Sale to Chicago for Moncada and.. I don't know, Michael Kopech? Feels uneven, think we’d need a few more guys back from Chicago. Sadly, Luis Alexander Basabe and Victor Diaz are no longer in baseball.
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