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Post by johnsilver52 on Jul 15, 2024 20:38:40 GMT -5
Only pitcher I’d trade Roman for is Skubal (and Skenes but he will never be available) 2.5y of Skubal probably costs more along lines of Anthony and a Yorke/Bleis. Detroit knows they have a front end and controllable starter = Not cheap. Could see 1 of the middling Sox rotation pieces included as well within the system and the scary part? A UCL issue away from it becoming one of the costliest deals in team history. *IF* some deal was to be worked out for Skubal? i'd like it to be 1 of the old fashioned ones where a period to negotiate an extension 1st.
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Post by dirtywaterinla on Jul 15, 2024 23:58:37 GMT -5
Only pitcher I’d trade Roman for is Skubal (and Skenes but he will never be available) 2.5y of Skubal probably costs more along lines of Anthony and a Yorke/Bleis. Detroit knows they have a front end and controllable starter = Not cheap. Could see 1 of the middling Sox rotation pieces included as well within the system and the scary part? A UCL issue away from it becoming one of the costliest deals in team history. *IF* some deal was to be worked out for Skubal? i'd like it to be 1 of the old fashioned ones where a period to negotiate an extension 1st. Unfortunately we need to accept that UCL injuries are part of the game. I’d trade Anthony and Bleis 7 days/week even if I knew that Skubal was going to need TJ surgery at some point. Frontline starters don’t grow on trees.
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Post by gerry on Jul 16, 2024 1:58:49 GMT -5
True, not on trees but they can be developed in a good pitching program. We have a good program. Wouldn’t you now consider Houck and Crawford to have developed into frontline starters? Can an experienced Bello figure it out?
Knowing the Sox need another SP to keep winning thru Oct., I really hope we do not trade any of those big 3 for one. My 2c
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Post by bosoxkc on Jul 16, 2024 2:16:43 GMT -5
FWIW
Bleis + —->. Fedde Anything cheap ——-> Turner Lugo, Sogard, Early ——-> India Abreu, Valdez, Dalbec, Meidroth ———-> Eflin, Fairbanks
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Post by jdb on Jul 16, 2024 7:32:49 GMT -5
Looking at the Tigers I’m not sure they would consider trading Skubal. They are hovering around .500 and have limited long term deals in the books besides Baez. They have some good young pieces in Detroit, two high end prospects in Jobe and Clark, and probably 2-3 more top 100 guys on the way. If I’m them I try and lock up him and Green.
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Post by cdj on Jul 16, 2024 7:37:40 GMT -5
FWIW Bleis + —->. Fedde Anything cheap ——-> Turner Lugo, Sogard, Early ——-> India Abreu, Valdez, Dalbec, Meidroth ———-> Eflin, Fairbanks Not interested in the first one but the others seem reasonable (although I would imagine Tampa asks for legitimate piece instead of Dalbec) Not gonna give up Bleis for a guy who has been good for a half a season out of 7 in the bigs (even if he is diff since pitching overseas)
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Post by chaimtime on Jul 16, 2024 8:15:19 GMT -5
FSG just pulled out of a deal to buy the soccer team in Bordeaux. Clearly saving money for a deadline addition and/or the offseason Juan Soto fund.
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Post by ematz1423 on Jul 16, 2024 8:49:43 GMT -5
FWIW Bleis + —->. Fedde Anything cheap ——-> Turner Lugo, Sogard, Early ——-> India Abreu, Valdez, Dalbec, Meidroth ———-> Eflin, Fairbanks Probably pass on every one of these deals IMO. Maybe the Turner deal if Casas has a setback. The team doesn't need another mediocre MIF in India. I'm not too high on Fedde. I feel like that is too much to give up for Efflin.
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Post by bellhorndingers21 on Jul 16, 2024 9:42:04 GMT -5
FWIW Bleis + —->. Fedde Anything cheap ——-> Turner Lugo, Sogard, Early ——-> India Abreu, Valdez, Dalbec, Meidroth ———-> Eflin, Fairbanks Id be nervous that Bleis deal would be the next Tatis for Shields trade.
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Post by greenmonster on Jul 16, 2024 10:13:05 GMT -5
FSG just pulled out of a deal to buy the soccer team in Bordeaux. Clearly saving money for a deadline addition and/or the offseason Juan Soto fund. ..or shifting focus to the Celtics
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Post by redsoxpride34 on Jul 16, 2024 10:34:48 GMT -5
I think at this point the Sox are in position to aim high for a #1 SP. The team already has #'s 2-5 covered in the rotation with 2 Houck, 3 Bello, 4 Crawford, 5 Pivetta/Fitts. No need for another back-end guy. Skubal would be the dream trade. Would he cost a lot? Of course. But he's 27 (turning 28 in november) and comes with 2.5 years of control. Crochett would be a good option behind Skubal. Am less sold on him given his lack of track record but perhaps that also keeps the price down a tad. Both pitchers are on teams that wont be contending any time soon so deals could be made for either. Time to swing big. No more short term, mid-tier starters.
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Post by dirtywaterinla on Jul 16, 2024 10:52:13 GMT -5
Looking at the Tigers I’m not sure they would consider trading Skubal. They are hovering around .500 and have limited long term deals in the books besides Baez. They have some good young pieces in Detroit, two high end prospects in Jobe and Clark, and probably 2-3 more top 100 guys on the way. If I’m them I try and lock up him and Green. Totally agreed. They went into the break playing great ball. It would definitely take them going something like 3-7 or 2-8 after the break for them to even really consider it.
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Post by GyIantosca on Jul 16, 2024 11:04:03 GMT -5
I call Toronto blow up the deadline with Vlad and Kikuchi. I can’t imagine the package they want. But that would blow up the MLB just for the hell of it throw in Turner too.
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Post by benogliviesbrother on Jul 16, 2024 11:19:53 GMT -5
I call Toronto blow up the deadline with Vlad and Kikuchi. I can’t imagine the package they want. But that would blow up the MLB just for the hell of it throw in Turner too. Gy's having what Topping & Yawkey were having when Ted was going for Joe. YOLO, Gy. Carry on.
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Post by bosoxkc on Jul 16, 2024 12:37:59 GMT -5
FWIW Bleis + —->. Fedde Anything cheap ——-> Turner Lugo, Sogard, Early ——-> India Abreu, Valdez, Dalbec, Meidroth ———-> Eflin, Fairbanks Probably pass on every one of these deals IMO. Maybe the Turner deal if Casas has a setback. The team doesn't need another mediocre MIF in India. I'm not too high on Fedde. I feel like that is too much to give up for Efflin.
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Post by bosoxkc on Jul 16, 2024 12:38:18 GMT -5
Both Eflin and Fairbanks
india is hitting. all except turner have 2-3 yrs left
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Post by ematz1423 on Jul 16, 2024 12:47:30 GMT -5
Look at the trade in split in twos, I wouldn't trade 5 seasons of Wilyer Abreu for 1.5 of Efflin. I like Meidroth quite a bit so I wouldn't give up Meidroth and Valdez for Fairbanks. Dalbec the Rays can have for free for all I care but still, that's too much to give up for those two.
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Post by bosoxkc on Jul 16, 2024 13:09:17 GMT -5
Thoughts on Abreu package for Woo? Will need more.
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Post by blizzards39 on Jul 16, 2024 13:47:35 GMT -5
Look at the trade in split in twos, I wouldn't trade 5 seasons of Wilyer Abreu for 1.5 of Efflin. I like Meidroth quite a bit so I wouldn't give up Meidroth and Valdez for Fairbanks. Dalbec the Rays can have for free for all I care but still, that's too much to give up for those two. Not a chance rays take this deal. Both Eflin and Fairbanks are worth a top prospect. Not one of big 3 but think Cespedws or Campbell as a starting point. Plus a depth piece or 2. I think rays would ask for teel or bleis, but you could probably get it done with Campbell, Cespedes one of Perales, Fitts or sandlin and maybe a 4th lower end guy they like
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Post by asm18 on Jul 16, 2024 14:32:24 GMT -5
Breslow with TC and Speier:
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Post by ematz1423 on Jul 16, 2024 14:36:14 GMT -5
Look at the trade in split in twos, I wouldn't trade 5 seasons of Wilyer Abreu for 1.5 of Efflin. I like Meidroth quite a bit so I wouldn't give up Meidroth and Valdez for Fairbanks. Dalbec the Rays can have for free for all I care but still, that's too much to give up for those two. Not a chance rays take this deal. Both Eflin and Fairbanks are worth a top prospect. Not one of big 3 but think Cespedws or Campbell as a starting point. Plus a depth piece or 2. I think rays would ask for teel or bleis, but you could probably get it done with Campbell, Cespedes one of Perales, Fitts or sandlin and maybe a 4th lower end guy they like I wouldn't be a good GM especially around deadline time as I'm not seeing it myself. 5 seasons of Abreu to me is worth more than Eflin for 1.5, especially when you take into account Eflin's contract was backloaded to pay 18M in the final season. Which that's not a terrible amount for a pitcher of his caliber but it's also not a bargain if dealing Abreu. If the Rays don't deal Eflin this deadline they more than likely are this offseason as I'm sure they don't want to pay him that.
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Post by asm18 on Jul 16, 2024 15:15:50 GMT -5
Breslow when asked by Alex Speier today about the possibility of a scenario of trading guys who are pending free agents yet address longer term needs:
“At the risk of overcomplicating this, I think you can try to balance short and long term, I think you can move the organization in the right direction, but you have to be convicted in the short term execution of whatever the steps are that will get you there. And that’s what I mean by picking a lane.
Now conceptually it sounds great to balance those things out by kinda doing the ‘buy/sell, add and subtract.’ I think what often happens when you try to go down both paths is that you end up with neither. It’s really really complicated to successfully execute that. So to me the one thing we need to do is determine what we are trying to accomplish and be completely convicted and decisive in accomplishing that.”
(around 23 minute mark from the 310 to Left Interview)
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Post by scottysmalls on Jul 16, 2024 15:15:52 GMT -5
Verducci says Orioles and Dodgers are putting together big prospect package offers for Skubal
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Post by ematz1423 on Jul 16, 2024 15:26:36 GMT -5
Verducci says Orioles and Dodgers are putting together big prospect package offers for Skubal Wouldn't even want to see what the package the Sox would have to put together to beat what the Orioles could offer. Is the Dodgers farm system any good still? I could look it up I guess but it seems like at some point their luck needs to dry up when it comes to prospects.
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Post by dirtywaterinla on Jul 16, 2024 15:27:53 GMT -5
Verducci says Orioles and Dodgers are putting together big prospect package offers for Skubal Orioles are truly the only team that can blow away the Tigers with an offer that won’t deplete their system. They have soooo many dudes.
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