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Post by dirtywaterinla on Jul 23, 2024 20:31:19 GMT -5
Taking this report at face value, who would be best fit(s) should CIN be open to trading RPs Fernando Cruz and Nick Martinez are the ones that stand out to me.
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Post by asm18 on Jul 23, 2024 20:34:13 GMT -5
They must have liked what they saw in LA:
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Post by dirtywaterinla on Jul 23, 2024 20:41:46 GMT -5
They must have liked what they saw in LA: He was better than I would have expected. I know folks have said they’d prefer to have Winck continue starting over Paxton, but I rather try to make him an elite late inning arm again. And as solid as Criswell has been, I think he’d be a great bulk inning guy in the pen over Anderson.
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Post by jdb on Jul 23, 2024 21:16:47 GMT -5
Maybe not a move for the deadline but there’s been some recent success of relievers turned starters with Lugo, Lopez and even Hicks. I’d be willing to bet the pitching group has their eyes on everything.
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Post by dirtywaterinla on Jul 23, 2024 21:33:32 GMT -5
Maybe not a move for the deadline but there’s been some recent success of relievers turned starters with Lugo, Lopez and even Hicks. I’d be willing to bet the pitching group has their eyes on everything. Makes even more sense to target Nick Martinez of the Reds then.
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Post by asm18 on Jul 23, 2024 21:45:49 GMT -5
He was better than I would have expected. I know folks have said they’d prefer to have Winck continue starting over Paxton, but I rather try to make him an elite late inning arm again. And as solid as Criswell has been, I think he’d be a great bulk inning guy in the pen over Anderson. Criswell definitely made a case for a continued rotation spot tonight in Coors - but behind him there’s just not many great options. I feel like it’s less a Paxton vs Criswell thing and a more Paxton (or Acquisition TBD) vs Dick Fitts, Jason Alexander, etc. Criswell has largely been quite solid - but he was supposed to be the end of the line when it came to depth and now he’s starter number 5. Need to replenish
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Post by bettsonmookie on Jul 23, 2024 21:55:15 GMT -5
Maybe not a move for the deadline but there’s been some recent success of relievers turned starters with Lugo, Lopez and even Hicks. I’d be willing to bet the pitching group has their eyes on everything. Slaten and Zack Kelly are the 2 I’m watching for this type of attempt over the offseason and going into next spring. Dodgers have needed 10+ starters. Sox need as many capable arms as they can stack up and both of those guys have the ingredients.
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Post by wanderingdude on Jul 23, 2024 23:06:51 GMT -5
There are so many reports signaling a Paxton return and i don’t really get it. His fip is 4.96 and his expected ERA is 4.84. His strikeout percentage is at a career low, his walk percentage is way up, and he’s giving up way harder contact. His velo is also way down which is probably the main cause of all this. He also throws his four seam fastball 57 percent of the time, which is basically a pitch we have tried to get rid of all year unless you throw an elite one which paxton’s isn’t or particularly close to one anymore. If he’s taking over Chase Anderson’s role whatever, but he’s not better than Criswell, who we should be trying to upgrade from and move back into the sixth starter role.
I say all this and i hope i’m dead wrong when he’s starting against the yankees this weekend.
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Post by Foulke_In_Athol on Jul 24, 2024 0:05:35 GMT -5
I know the Orioles would probably avoid trading in the division, but word on mlbrumors is that the O's are actively shopping Mountcastle. He'd be a decent RH bat to platoon with Dom and eventually Casas vs. tough lefties. 111WRC+ with 12HR. Maybe try a 3way deal.
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Post by dirtywaterinla on Jul 24, 2024 0:27:01 GMT -5
I know the Orioles would probably avoid trading in the division, but word on mlbrumors is that the O's are actively shopping Mountcastle. He'd be a decent RH bat to platoon with Dom and eventually Casas vs. tough lefties. 111WRC+ with 12HR. Maybe try a 3way deal. Mountcastle is so a Tiger if Skubal is indeed on the market.
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Post by johnsilver52 on Jul 24, 2024 1:53:16 GMT -5
He was better than I would have expected. I know folks have said they’d prefer to have Winck continue starting over Paxton, but I rather try to make him an elite late inning arm again. And as solid as Criswell has been, I think he’d be a great bulk inning guy in the pen over Anderson. Criswell definitely made a case for a continued rotation spot tonight in Coors - but behind him there’s just not many great options. I feel like it’s less a Paxton vs Criswell thing and a more Paxton (or Acquisition TBD) vs Dick Fitts, Jason Alexander, etc. Criswell has largely been quite solid - but he was supposed to be the end of the line when it came to depth and now he’s starter number 5. Need to replenish Had some hope for Gambrell as late as early May, but it's pretty much gone as a SP unless he really i9mproves and shows more than saw in AA games saw him in. Fitts might eventually be something as a SP, but it's not going to be this year my 2c. Way to inconsistent 1 game, even inning to inning and no other SP, other than roster fillers at AAA. Sandlin, like Fitts has been jeckyl/Hyde from inning to inning, tho thing may be something eventually SP wise. My favorite, unheralded guy who could help.. maybe next year is Connolly Early. Throws junk, type of pitcher not usually fond of, but this dude is a flat out master at it in games seen. Yeah, some here don't care for my opinions and rolling eyes at this, but here it is nonethe less from an old fart been around the game for decades.
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Post by alexcorahomevideo on Jul 24, 2024 5:25:08 GMT -5
There are so many reports signaling a Paxton return and i don’t really get it. His fip is 4.96 and his expected ERA is 4.84. His strikeout percentage is at a career low, his walk percentage is way up, and he’s giving up way harder contact. His velo is also way down which is probably the main cause of all this. He also throws his four seam fastball 57 percent of the time, which is basically a pitch we have tried to get rid of all year unless you throw an elite one which paxton’s isn’t or particularly close to one anymore. If he’s taking over Chase Anderson’s role whatever, but he’s not better than Criswell, who we should be trying to upgrade from and move back into the sixth starter role. I say all this and i hope i’m dead wrong when he’s starting against the yankees this weekend. Because he’s an arm that has had some success here in the past and he’s probably going to be close to free so ownership won’t have a problem bringing him in. He is better than Criswell.
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Post by Guidas on Jul 24, 2024 7:25:01 GMT -5
6 games down from 1st with 62 to play. C’mon Breslow, get us a legit starter and a pen arm and Casas return will do the rest.
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Post by costpet on Jul 24, 2024 7:46:55 GMT -5
The Casas return might not be until next year.
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Post by wanderingdude on Jul 24, 2024 8:32:21 GMT -5
There are so many reports signaling a Paxton return and i don’t really get it. His fip is 4.96 and his expected ERA is 4.84. His strikeout percentage is at a career low, his walk percentage is way up, and he’s giving up way harder contact. His velo is also way down which is probably the main cause of all this. He also throws his four seam fastball 57 percent of the time, which is basically a pitch we have tried to get rid of all year unless you throw an elite one which paxton’s isn’t or particularly close to one anymore. If he’s taking over Chase Anderson’s role whatever, but he’s not better than Criswell, who we should be trying to upgrade from and move back into the sixth starter role. I say all this and i hope i’m dead wrong when he’s starting against the yankees this weekend. Because he’s an arm that has had some success here in the past and he’s probably going to be close to free so ownership won’t have a problem bringing him in. He is better than Criswell. I do not agree that he is better than Criswell. I can’t find any evidence that he is this year.
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Post by ematz1423 on Jul 24, 2024 8:34:07 GMT -5
Because he’s an arm that has had some success here in the past and he’s probably going to be close to free so ownership won’t have a problem bringing him in. He is better than Criswell. I do not agree that he is better than Criswell. I can’t find any evidence that he is this year. Maybe not Criswell but he's probably better than their next emergency SP up. Which as we know pitchers can go down in a blink of an eye. I understand the argument of what's the point of Paxton but for what likely will just be money, I'd take the shot that he can help them.
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Post by patford on Jul 24, 2024 9:07:17 GMT -5
They must have liked what they saw in LA: He was better than I would have expected. I know folks have said they’d prefer to have Winck continue starting over Paxton, but I rather try to make him an elite late inning arm again. And as solid as Criswell has been, I think he’d be a great bulk inning guy in the pen over Anderson. Paxton just got DFA.
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Post by nonothing on Jul 24, 2024 9:32:10 GMT -5
How about:
SEA to BOS: George Kirby BOS to SEA: 1-Triston Casas 2-Wilyer Abreu 3-Cooper Criswell 4-Yoeilin Cespedes (or Bleis?) 5-Pick from Hamilton, Gonzalez, Valdez, Sogard or Meidroth
I would still also sign Paxton for rotation depth.
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Post by greenmonster on Jul 24, 2024 9:32:39 GMT -5
He was better than I would have expected. I know folks have said they’d prefer to have Winck continue starting over Paxton, but I rather try to make him an elite late inning arm again. And as solid as Criswell has been, I think he’d be a great bulk inning guy in the pen over Anderson. Paxton just got DFA. Is this in reference to the news from 2 days ago or has he been granted his release and now free to sign with anybody??
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Post by vermontsox1 on Jul 24, 2024 9:41:25 GMT -5
Just a reminder that we have a subforum specifically for hypothetical trade proposals: forum.soxprospects.com/board/14/trade-proposal-subforumLet's steer clear of hypothetical trade talk here unless there is some concrete reporting on the Red Sox being interested in certain players, etc. Thanks!
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Post by nonothing on Jul 24, 2024 10:14:18 GMT -5
Just a reminder that we have a subforum specifically for hypothetical trade proposals: forum.soxprospects.com/board/14/trade-proposal-subforumLet's steer clear of hypothetical trade talk here unless there is some concrete reporting on the Red Sox being interested in certain players, etc. Thanks! Happy to put things where they belong, but request a quick clarification please? What content should be specifically unser trade dealine vs what you prefer under trade proposals? Example: If I say, how about a big push to land George Kirby, that seems like people talking about Crochet/others and would be ok, correct? (Or no?) But maybe you are saying if you list a whole potential trade, that goes in the other thread? Others have discussed who they would be willing/not willing to give up for Crochet or Skubal, and that seemed OK. So is the line discussing a whole specific proposal? Or is it sensitivity around current MLB rostered players? Just want to understand so I can follow correctly going forward. Tyvm!
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Post by bettsonmookie on Jul 24, 2024 10:33:00 GMT -5
In theory...
If TON keeps mashing and looking like a guy who could be worthy of a QO...
Any potential trade deadline return for him would have to at least provide comparable value to the QO comp pick they would gain if he left, plus the opportunity cost of the remainder of '24?
If they are on the bubble at deadline day and the buy/sell decision isn't a slam dunk, the upside to recoup some value if he leaves gives some safety net in deciding to hold him. The same logic could apply to Pivetta if he finishes the season in strong form.
Accept? Short-term commitment to guys they like and could use for '25.
Decline? More ammunition for the war chest.
It would appear the downside would be holding on, having them finish the season poorly and undeserving of QO's, and watching them sign elsewhere for nothing, plus the lost opportunity cost of '24.
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Post by awalkinthepark on Jul 24, 2024 10:39:35 GMT -5
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Post by scottysmalls on Jul 24, 2024 10:40:13 GMT -5
Even if O’Neill accepted the QO they wouldn’t necessarily have to keep him. If that’s his market value they could trade him away. I’m pretty sure if he finishes the season healthy and not traded he will get the offer.
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Post by carmenfanzone on Jul 24, 2024 10:44:49 GMT -5
Unlike some other posters, I think the Red Sox adding Paxton would be a step in the right direction for this year. I would still want another starter to go with him who was under contract for next year. Crawford and Houck need to have their innings managed during the second half. Maybe you could give each a short DL stint (one after the other) while Paxton fills in for them.
Moreover, I don't think it would take a lot to get him. I like Dalbecin terms of the effort he puts in and I like his power, but I just don't think it is going to happen for him in Boston. Would be good for him to get a new start elsewhere and the last I looked the Dodgers do not currently have an all star playing 3rd base. If they don't want Dalbec, how about Meridroth or Sogard?
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