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Post by kwodes on Jun 18, 2024 15:04:46 GMT -5
Honestly, Justin Turner as a trade target makes a lot of sense. RHH DH/1B/3B who won't cost a lot to get and they'd still be under the CBT (I think)
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Post by nomar on Jun 18, 2024 16:26:38 GMT -5
Vladdy ain't bringing anything much of anything back, he's so expensive. Can't see them selling him Insane platform year + extended period of decline + super 2 is a pretty good recipe for a surprise nontender. Depending on the numbers getting thrown around for his arb4 year, would not be shocked if he ended up hitting the market a year early. There is no way in hell he gets non-tendered. Their fans would go ballistic.
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Post by blizzards39 on Jun 18, 2024 18:40:28 GMT -5
Vladdy ain't bringing anything much of anything back, he's so expensive. Can't see them selling him Insane platform year + extended period of decline + super 2 is a pretty good recipe for a surprise nontender. Depending on the numbers getting thrown around for his arb4 year, would not be shocked if he ended up hitting the market a year early. You have lost your mind. Vlad isnt the player that many thought but hes still the Jays best hitter. 25-30M and he sells Jerseys.
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Post by carmenfanzone on Jun 18, 2024 21:19:40 GMT -5
Honestly, Justin Turner as a trade target makes a lot of sense. RHH DH/1B/3B who won't cost a lot to get and they'd still be under the CBT (I think) I wanted them to resign him after last year. He hasn't played much in the field this year and isn't hitting as well as he did last year, but it sure seems like he would be an improvement over Dalbec. However, there may not be a roster spot for him once Abreu comes back. Your bench would be which ever 2 outfielders don't start, the catcher who doesn't start, and Gonzalez.
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Post by nomar on Jun 19, 2024 14:18:03 GMT -5
Honestly, Justin Turner as a trade target makes a lot of sense. RHH DH/1B/3B who won't cost a lot to get and they'd still be under the CBT (I think) I wanted them to resign him after last year. He hasn't played much in the field this year and isn't hitting as well as he did last year, but it sure seems like he would be an improvement over Dalbec. However, there may not be a roster spot for him once Abreu comes back. Your bench would be which ever 2 outfielders don't start, the catcher who doesn't start, and Gonzalez. I’d be into this plan of attack: 1) package a 40 man crunch prospect (Paulino?) with Yoshida in a salary dump. Hopefully some fringe playoff team will be desperate for a bat 2) trade for Turner on the cheap Balance out the lineup a bit in terms of R/L, DH production more or less stays the same, and you have extra payroll to add a SP this coming offseason
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Post by scottysmalls on Jun 19, 2024 14:29:06 GMT -5
Do they even have a left/right issue?
Right now against lefties they can go:
Duran/Rafaela/O’Neill/Refsnyder
Against righties:
Duran/Rafaela/Abreu/Yoshida
Since Turner is basically DH only and would be replacing Yoshida in this hypothetical I think you basically just get worse against righties and gain nothing against lefties.
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Post by nomar on Jun 19, 2024 14:37:03 GMT -5
I don’t think it matters much either honestly. The big thing would be getting out of Yoshida’s contract which I’m fairly certain Breslow and Cora would love to do
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Post by pappyman99 on Jun 19, 2024 14:38:17 GMT -5
I know I said it earlier but I’d really want Christian walker as a cost effective right handed power bat to add to this team if we keep the winning up
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Post by nomar on Jun 19, 2024 14:42:15 GMT -5
I know I said it earlier but I’d really want Christian walker as a cost effective right handed power bat to add to this team if we keep the winning up Walker would be a nice add. Unfortunately almost the entire NL is in the Wild Card race including the Diamondbacks who I’m sure will prefer not to sell after last year’s WS appearance. If their WC race stays tight, sellers are going to be few and far between this deadline IMO.
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Post by asm18 on Jun 19, 2024 15:16:50 GMT -5
I know I said it earlier but I’d really want Christian walker as a cost effective right handed power bat to add to this team if we keep the winning up Walker would be a nice add. Unfortunately almost the entire NL is in the Wild Card race including the Diamondbacks who I’m sure will prefer not to sell after last year’s WS appearance. If their WC race stays tight, sellers are going to be few and far between this deadline IMO. Yeah, feels like the only definite sellers (although some of these teams are notably weird) would be the Angels, Athletics, White Sox & Marlins, Rockies. Everybody else we have to wait and see. Somehow despite being the worst team in baseball the White Sox probably have the best trade pieces, with Crochet & Fedde as starters with team control who are actually performing well*, veteran role guys like Tommy Pham, Paul DeJong, and Nicky Lopez, and LouBob if they really want to go nuts. *in contrast to off-season shiny object Jesus Luzardo of the Marlins, who has a 5.00 ERA, had a flexor strain earlier in the year, and his velo is down 2 mph.
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Post by bettsonmookie on Jun 19, 2024 16:41:06 GMT -5
Walker would be a nice add. Unfortunately almost the entire NL is in the Wild Card race including the Diamondbacks who I’m sure will prefer not to sell after last year’s WS appearance. If their WC race stays tight, sellers are going to be few and far between this deadline IMO. Yeah, feels like the only definite sellers (although some of these teams are notably weird) would be the Angels, Athletics, White Sox & Marlins, Rockies. Everybody else we have to wait and see. Somehow despite being the worst team in baseball the White Sox probably have the best trade pieces, with Crochet & Fedde as starters with team control who are actually performing well*, veteran role guys like Tommy Pham, Paul DeJong, and Nicky Lopez, and LouBob if they really want to go nuts. *in contrast to off-season shiny object Jesus Luzardo of the Marlins, who has a 5.00 ERA, had a flexor strain earlier in the year, and his velo is down 2 mph. I’d love to see Craig somehow buy low on Luzardo and sell high on some of our excess guys in the process. Fitts, Lugo, Valdez, Hickey - who says no?
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Post by julyanmorley on Jun 19, 2024 17:02:20 GMT -5
Fitts, Lugo, Valdez, Hickey - who says no? Don't think this package gets you much of anything. Nobody wants low end Rule 5 protects
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Post by bettsonmookie on Jun 19, 2024 20:39:01 GMT -5
Fitts, Lugo, Valdez, Hickey - who says no? Don't think this package gets you much of anything. Nobody wants low end Rule 5 protects Valdez is looking like a 2nd division regular. Lugo has helium. Fitts is not Luzardo, but he is more affordable and controllable and better fits Miami’s timeline. A month ago, Hamilton would’ve been a cast off. Now he’s potentially off limits. Valdez arrow is pointing up. I think there is more value there than “low end rule 5 protects.” I would only apply that label to Hickey. Either way, I think a package can be built that is based on guys that likely do not have a place here in the long run.
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Post by scottysmalls on Jun 19, 2024 20:52:00 GMT -5
The cost to upgrade from a Refsnyder/Yoshida platoon to Walker just doesn't feel like it would be worth it at all.
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Post by keninten on Jun 20, 2024 2:21:56 GMT -5
Yeah, feels like the only definite sellers (although some of these teams are notably weird) would be the Angels, Athletics, White Sox & Marlins, Rockies. Everybody else we have to wait and see. Somehow despite being the worst team in baseball the White Sox probably have the best trade pieces, with Crochet & Fedde as starters with team control who are actually performing well*, veteran role guys like Tommy Pham, Paul DeJong, and Nicky Lopez, and LouBob if they really want to go nuts. *in contrast to off-season shiny object Jesus Luzardo of the Marlins, who has a 5.00 ERA, had a flexor strain earlier in the year, and his velo is down 2 mph. I’d love to see Craig somehow buy low on Luzardo and sell high on some of our excess guys in the process. Fitts, Lugo, Valdez, Hickey - who says no? Yeah I`d love it but I don`t think he`s worth any more than that. The Marlins will get a lot more but I hope the Sox won`t pay it. Basis on a speculated trade of Dylan Lesko, Austin Krob, Brandon Valenzuela, and Stephen Kolek? What would be the Sox equivilent to that? Valenzuela has been Rule 5 twice. I don`t see that he has a higher up side than Hickey. Austin Krob? Is he that much better than Fitts? I wouldn`t trade Lugo straight up for Kolek. He`s 27 and just a depth arm. Now Lesko is worth something pretty decent. Valdez might not be enough but what the Padres are getting for the other 3 seems sufficient to me. The Marlins have more of a need at 2B than the pitching of Korb and Kolek. Then again maybe you think that trade speculation which I am basing this off is ridiculous too. I just don`t think Luzardo is that valuable. I`m not a GM but I have sat in the stands a few nights.
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Post by jdb on Jun 20, 2024 7:06:46 GMT -5
I apologize I forgot where I read it last week I think it was on The Athletic and they had a quote about Luzardo from a teams front office member saying that conversation starts with a top 100 prospect. Guessing that would be Bleis for us maybe? Looking at his game logs he had 3 terrible starts giving up 21 ER in 14 innings but with the velo decrease I’d be hesitant on him.
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Post by cdj on Jun 20, 2024 7:16:09 GMT -5
Between the velo loss and the arm injury history i have zero interest in trading for Luzardo, just like I had zero interest in trading for Bieber
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Post by Addam603 on Jun 20, 2024 7:19:50 GMT -5
In the past week, the Red Sox playoff odds on Fangraphs have jumped from 17% to 37%. While that is still well below a percentage where I would be confident in their playoff chances, that jump makes me question their deadline strategy a bit more. They're 1 game out of the third wildcard spot and 1.5 out of the second. They are right in the mix of things as we get towards the end of June. Ultimately, their philosophy will depend on what happens over the next six and a half weeks, but let's look at the possibilities. If they completely fall off a cliff, then obviously you sell. Trade Jansen, Martin, O'Neil, Pivetta, and anyone you don't comfortably feel is part of the core. But what if they are still in the playoff hunt as we get into July? I'm questioning what the idea is there. Wong is having a career year at catcher with Teel waiting in the wings. Casas will be back soon. Hamilton is holding down second and his speed has been a big part of the run, run, run movement that the Sox are doing right now. Devers has third. Outfield is pretty set with Duran, Rafaela (on an insane hot streak), the returning Abreu, Refsnyder, and TON. Do you upgrade shortstop on a short term basis with Story theoretically coming back next year and Mayer coming soon? Other than that, I don't see a spot to make meaningful moves in the lineup. The rotation has Houck, Crawford, Pivetta, and Bello locked into spots. Is this the type of team that you seek to upgrade pitching significantly on? Is this Red Sox team one starter away from real contention? Or are you just upgrading that 5th spot that Criswell has been holding down? This will be really unpopular if the Sox end up missing the playoffs again, but unless they are in serious contention, I think you'll see marginal upgrades at best and maybe just relying on players returning from injury.
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Post by incandenza on Jun 20, 2024 7:22:00 GMT -5
The team is unimprovable. Christian Walker? Like scottysmalls says, he'd scarcely improve on the options they already have, and he probably won't be available anyway. Luzardo? He's been worse than Criswell this season and wouldn't obviously be one of their best 5 starting options next season (especially after they add Fried or Burnes). The bullpen? I doubt there will be anyone available on the trade market that I'd see as a marked improvement over Zack Kelly, who's like their 5th or 6th guy on the depth chart right now. A RH corner infield bat? Would be nice, but hardly a dire need once Casas gets back, and I don't think there's anyone good available anyways.
They should trade for no one because there is no one available who would make them better.
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Post by costpet on Jun 20, 2024 7:34:50 GMT -5
Agreed. I like them the way they are, plus all those studs in the minors that I wouldn't want to let go yet. If they get to the playoffs, in a short series, anything can happen. You never know. If they go to the WS and win it, at what point do you tell John Henry about it?
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Post by cba82 on Jun 20, 2024 7:36:49 GMT -5
“The bullpen? I doubt there will be anyone available on the trade market that I'd see as a marked improvement over Zack Kelly, who's like their 5th or 6th guy on the depth chart right now.” — Think we can make an upgrade over Chase Anderson and Brad Keller?
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Post by cmax on Jun 20, 2024 7:38:20 GMT -5
The team is unimprovable. Christian Walker? Like scottysmalls says, he'd scarcely improve on the options they already have, and he probably won't be available anyway. Luzardo? He's been worse than Criswell this season and wouldn't obviously be one of their best 5 starting options next season (especially after they add Fried or Burnes). The bullpen? I doubt there will be anyone available on the trade market that I'd see as a marked improvement over Zack Kelly, who's like their 5th or 6th guy on the depth chart right now. A RH corner infield bat? Would be nice, but hardly a dire need once Casas gets back, and I don't think there's anyone good available anyways. They should trade for no one because there is no one available who would make them better. I generally find this reasonable but think they could use one more solid starting pitcher. If everyone stays healthy they may be okay, but we can't really expect everyone to stay healthy. Whitlock and Giolito are missed but if another starter goes down or innings need to be managed down the stretch, one more quality starter will be quite useful. Perhaps that could have been Perales. Perhaps it can be Winck or Fitts but it seems like an area they can reinforce and improve on...
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Post by bg23 on Jun 20, 2024 7:39:46 GMT -5
Grabbing someone who can defend at an above average level at short (preferably a righty swinger) and a starting pitcher seem like the largest needs. Pitching will certainly be at a premium and not sure what is out there at shortstop that is a meaningful upgrade on Romy that is not cost prohibitive.
Considering the state of the team I am interested to see how Breslow threads the needle.
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Post by Addam603 on Jun 20, 2024 7:46:57 GMT -5
“The bullpen? I doubt there will be anyone available on the trade market that I'd see as a marked improvement over Zack Kelly, who's like their 5th or 6th guy on the depth chart right now.” — Think we can make an upgrade over Chase Anderson and Brad Keller? I think that you can definitely find improvements on those guys. They're fringe rosterable guys at the back end of the bullpen. I think the point is that upgrading those guys isn't going to make a big overall impact on the team. Those are players that you throw in during blowouts (good or bad). The bullpen that we actually care about-the high leverage guys and the guys that will pitch meaningful innings during a potential playoff run-those are the guys where you aren't going to see real meaningful upgrades on.
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Post by ematz1423 on Jun 20, 2024 7:53:51 GMT -5
I still am eying Paul DeJong, even if Hamilton and Valdez keep hitting like they have recently I think DeJong with his right handed bat good glove and solid year he is having would help the consistency of the squad. It would allow them to keep Rafaela in CF in the event of an injury and DeJong being a rental really shouldn't cost much. I wouldn't be against trying to double up in a deal with the ChiSox and getting Kopech who is having a down year but still is a power arm with a year of control left. Looking at Kopech's fangraph page, he's averaging 99 MPH on his FB. He's K'ing 13.19 per 9 but walking 5.52 per 9 as well. His BABIP is .317 so if that comes down to earth a little bit I think he could be a solid addition to the pen.
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