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Post by scottysmalls on Jul 27, 2024 10:40:24 GMT -5
They seem weirdly low on him. I know they've been facing lefties, but they've been facing righties too, and Valdez had a .900 OPS or something since his last stint in AAA but they sent him down anyway. In favor of Westbrook who a) isn't even a defensive improvement, and b) has proceeded to hit .105/.190/.316. I'm pretty sure his throwing error on a very routine play that wasn't within 5 feet of the bag had a lot to do with it. Also, since they seem to win pretty regularly against RH pitching without him, I think they rightly decided his excess offense isn't needed as much as help against LHs and better defense. Since they have a bunch of potential options down the stretch, Valdez is a player without a spot. Yeah I think it’s the back half of this. They already have a bunch of good hitters for righty starters but struggle more against lefties, and his was the easiest spot to swap out a righty for.
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Post by cdj on Jul 27, 2024 10:45:15 GMT -5
Wouldn’t mind a Jalen Beeks reunion. Been money against LHH, has 9 saves
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Post by dmdmd on Jul 27, 2024 11:35:04 GMT -5
Rays are in trade mode. They have several players that could interest the Sox. Adam or fairbanks. Yandy or peredes. Efflin. Yandy Diaz is currently on the restricted list dealing with some kind of off-field issue. Yandy is now back. I think he could be a great RH-bat who could play first, DH, etc. I’m not sure how eager either team would want to deal with each other. Eflin going to Balt seems a little different because his salary is quite a bit more than Yandy’s, who I imagine would cost more in prospect capital. I have no idea what Yandy would cost, but maybe something like Yorke + mid-level guy or 2 (Castro, etc)? I really don’t know Yandy’s value.
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Post by bcpatsox18 on Jul 27, 2024 11:41:26 GMT -5
Bowden reported yesterday the red sox have engaged chicago on Crochet. I dont think it will happen, but if it did- what does the package look like? Anthony, yorke, ++?
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Post by dcsoxfan15 on Jul 27, 2024 11:46:50 GMT -5
Bowden reported yesterday the red sox have engaged chicago on Crochet. I dont think it will happen, but if it did- what does the package look like? Anthony, yorke, ++? Chicago would be asking for Anthony, Mayer/Teel, then more Also wouldn’t put much stock in that Bowden rumor. He named basically every large market team, then hedged even further by adding “among others”
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Post by incandenza on Jul 27, 2024 11:52:43 GMT -5
Yandy Diaz is shockingly old. He's about to turn 33! I would have guessed like 27... Anyway, he is kind of an interesting option to fill the Justin Turner '23 role: a righty who could fill in for any of Casas, Devers, or Yoshida with sub-par but passable defense. Only $8 million for next year and then a free agent. Might prefer more of a fly ball hitter for Fenway though.
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Post by semperfisox on Jul 27, 2024 11:59:55 GMT -5
This lineup desperately needs that RH power bat.
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Post by asm18 on Jul 27, 2024 12:01:41 GMT -5
The Blues Jays last like 10 months has been like a horror film.
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Post by dcsoxfan15 on Jul 27, 2024 12:04:05 GMT -5
Does a TJ recovery timeline to your top pitching prospect, who was expected to debut this year or next make you more likely to sell your rental pieces?
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jul 27, 2024 12:18:43 GMT -5
Bowden reported yesterday the red sox have engaged chicago on Crochet. I dont think it will happen, but if it did- what does the package look like? Anthony, yorke, ++? Chicago would be asking for Anthony, Mayer/Teel, then more Also wouldn’t put much stock in that Bowden rumor. He named basically every large market team, then hedged even further by adding “among others” Did I hear it right that Crochet is demanding a contact extension by the acquiring team or else he wont pitch in the post season if his acquiring team makes it? If so, that is so abhorrent and selfish in my book. Imagine Nate Eovaldi saying to Cora, sorry man but I wont put myself on the line because next year I become a free agent and dont want to risk myself in a marathon World Series game. Fortunately Eovaldi isnt selfish like that and that's a big reason they won that series- while he took one for the team, the Dodgers bullpen burnt out and that fueled the Sox big comeback win in Game 4 and deflated the Dodgers for Game 5. Point is Crochet is saying unless you sign me to whatever I demand my teammates , who have busted their butts to get into the playoffs, are SOL on regards to me helping them get a ring. That's off putting to me. Yes the acquiring team would want to try to extend him, but those negotiating tactics are downright selfish and screw over his new teammates, which would piss me off if I were one of his new teammates. If that's his agent and not him, he should dump his agent. If I'm understanding this correctly I dont want him on the team nor would I even entertain the idea of giving up a potential star for a guy who had made about 20 starts in his career. He's not freaking Randy Johnson.
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Post by finaliz3d on Jul 27, 2024 12:32:28 GMT -5
Chicago would be asking for Anthony, Mayer/Teel, then more Also wouldn’t put much stock in that Bowden rumor. He named basically every large market team, then hedged even further by adding “among others” Did I hear it right that Crochet is demanding a contact extension by the acquiring team or else he wont pitch in the post season if his acquiring team makes it? If so, that is so abhorrent and selfish in my book. Imagine Nate Eovaldi saying to Cora, sorry man but I wont put myself on the line because next year I become a free agent and dont want to risk myself in a marathon World Series game. Fortunately Eovaldi isnt selfish like that and that's a big reason they won that series- while he took one for the team, the Dodgers bullpen burnt out and that fueled the Sox big comeback win in Game 4 and deflated the Dodgers for Game 5. Point is Crochet is saying unless you sign me to whatever I demand my teammates , who have busted their butts to get into the playoffs, are SOL on regards to me helping them get a ring. That's off putting to me. Yes the acquiring team would want to try to extend him, but those negotiating tactics are downright selfish and screw over his new teammates, which would piss me off if I were one of his new teammates. If that's his agent and not him, he should dump his agent. If I'm understanding this correctly I dont want him on the team nor would I even entertain the idea of giving up a potential star for a guy who had made about 20 starts in his career. He's not freaking Randy Johnson. Eovaldi has made his money, this is also Crochet's first year of a full starter's workload, if he got injured and comes back not as good, he could lose out on a ton of money. So basically he wants guaranteed money to offset the risk of pitching more down the stretch.
(To be clear, I don't really want Crochet, but mostly because the price is way too much for him.
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Post by stevedillard on Jul 27, 2024 12:44:09 GMT -5
But for the life of me I can't figure out his strategy. I'd have held it until the fourth inning of the playoff game, and then announce to the manager that I'm not going out for the fourth unless I get an extension.
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Post by asm18 on Jul 27, 2024 12:45:13 GMT -5
Craig looking for velo?
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Post by blizzards39 on Jul 27, 2024 13:02:45 GMT -5
Is it me of of all the trade so far there hasnt been any elite/ top 100 guys sold off? Every year teams ( maybe not dave D) value there system more an D more.
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Post by julyanmorley on Jul 27, 2024 13:03:57 GMT -5
Cubs gave up Josh Rivera and Yohendrick Pinago. Rivera a 2023 third round college bat that has been bad. Pinago looks maybe like a poor man's Allan Castro. I wouldn't have minded beating that
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jul 27, 2024 13:13:09 GMT -5
Wouldn’t mind a Jalen Beeks reunion. Been money against LHH, has 9 saves Rather have Eovaldi
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Post by scottysmalls on Jul 27, 2024 13:13:22 GMT -5
Could’ve been the reliever Carrabis was referring to, possible the Jays just preferred this offer
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Post by blizzards39 on Jul 27, 2024 13:16:30 GMT -5
Chicago would be asking for Anthony, Mayer/Teel, then more Also wouldn’t put much stock in that Bowden rumor. He named basically every large market team, then hedged even further by adding “among others” Did I hear it right that Crochet is demanding a contact extension by the acquiring team or else he wont pitch in the post season if his acquiring team makes it? If so, that is so abhorrent and selfish in my book. Imagine Nate Eovaldi saying to Cora, sorry man but I wont put myself on the line because next year I become a free agent and dont want to risk myself in a marathon World Series game. Fortunately Eovaldi isnt selfish like that and that's a big reason they won that series- while he took one for the team, the Dodgers bullpen burnt out and that fueled the Sox big comeback win in Game 4 and deflated the Dodgers for Game 5. Point is Crochet is saying unless you sign me to whatever I demand my teammates , who have busted their butts to get into the playoffs, are SOL on regards to me helping them get a ring. That's off putting to me. Yes the acquiring team would want to try to extend him, but those negotiating tactics are downright selfish and screw over his new teammates, which would piss me off if I were one of his new teammates. If that's his agent and not him, he should dump his agent. If I'm understanding this correctly I dont want him on the team nor would I even entertain the idea of giving up a potential star for a guy who had made about 20 starts in his career. He's not freaking Randy Johnson. Maybe this means Crochet would sign at a bit of a value deal?? Either way I highly dout it happens and the only way im parting with Anthony and or Campbell is i get Crochett and Robert. And i highly dout the trade both in one deal or the Sox going to pay that much prospect price. Anthony Cambell Abrau or Bleis Yorke or Grissom Cecpedes or zanatillo Fitts or sandlin Would that be enough? I dout it. And im not going higher.
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Post by nomar on Jul 27, 2024 13:17:00 GMT -5
Cubs gave up Josh Rivera and Yohendrick Pinago. Rivera a 2023 third round college bat that has been bad. Pinago looks maybe like a poor man's Allan Castro. I wouldn't have minded beating that Same but I’m liking the thought target wise. I don’t want to pay out the ass for an established reliever. I’ll gamble on some premium stuff that hasn’t quite pieced it all together
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Post by threeifbaerga on Jul 27, 2024 13:54:13 GMT -5
The Blues Jays last like 10 months has been like a horror film. Is this what Carrabis was talking about?
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Post by julyanmorley on Jul 27, 2024 14:32:24 GMT -5
Garcia shouldn't cost much. Average reliever making $4 million, FA at the end of the year
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Post by asm18 on Jul 27, 2024 14:32:53 GMT -5
Grain of salt because it’s Heyman, but another hard-throwing righty, like Pearson.
They don’t really have a righty who just chucks it. Slaten throws gas but is hurt. Kenley is all cutters. Martin (when healthy) wasn’t throwing as hard this year. Winck has some velo but it’s more ground ball than swing-and-miss. Weissert is a sweeper guy. Kelly has velo but his strength is his secondaries. In another universe maybe Mata is the effectively wild flamethrower, but alas
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Post by cba82 on Jul 27, 2024 14:34:22 GMT -5
Do the Cubs think they’re in the NL wild card race?
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Post by wcsoxfan on Jul 27, 2024 14:40:40 GMT -5
Did I hear it right that Crochet is demanding a contact extension by the acquiring team or else he wont pitch in the post season if his acquiring team makes it? If so, that is so abhorrent and selfish in my book. A player refusing to play due to wanting a contract extension is very common in football where the contracts usually aren't guaranteed (2 Patriots holding in/out now) but when the games that matter begin, the player almost always plays. More often, the player gets what they want first, which is why this type of tactic is very useful. This report is likely being leaked by Crochet's agent to put teams looking to acquire him on notice that an extension will have to come with a trade or he won't be happy - teams don't want to trade a huge amount to acquire a player who won't be happy. It's a smart negotiating tactic and may reduce the cost to acquire him while assuring both he and his new team get what they want (I'm assuming the acquiring team will know what he will cost before the trade). Crochet hasn't refused to play for his team, hasn't been traded and hasn't commented himself on what he wants, so I think it's way too early to denounce him for what's likely an agent's smart negotiating tactic. (Add: pretty confident the player's union would take care of it if he actually refused to play)
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Post by dirtywaterinla on Jul 27, 2024 14:45:45 GMT -5
Do the Cubs think they’re in the NL wild card race? Judging by Hoyer’s comments the other day, they seem to view themselves out of it.
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