asm18
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Post by asm18 on Jul 29, 2024 10:10:19 GMT -5
The Red Sox 2023 Collapse by the Numbers
August ‘23: 13-15 record 5.33 ERA (27th) 109 wRC+ (9th)
Sept/Oct ‘23: 8-20 4.72 ERA (21st) 72 wRC+ (29th)
As much as I would like for our arms not to hit a metaphorical wall, it sure would be super nice if Jarren Duran doesn’t hurt himself on a literal wall this time around
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jul 29, 2024 10:13:11 GMT -5
Should probably try to trade Kenley at this point, especially with how stupid the market for relievers is. Don’t see any scenario where this team makes the postseason considering how taxed all the arms are There is 50 some games to go. We are 1 game out. We have 3 good relievers on the DL ( all seem reasonable they will Return) and there r still 2 days to make trades What about all the starters? A playoff run with this rotation would have a bunch of young guys coming close to doubling career high in innings.
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Post by pappyman99 on Jul 29, 2024 10:18:53 GMT -5
Hi Giants,
We will relieve you of your Snell and Soler contracts.
Please take Yoshida along with your pick of 3 of Fitts, Meidroth, Lugo, Castro, Wikelman, Valdez, Jordan, and Penrod
Would not put us over the luxury limit either I don’t think
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Post by patford on Jul 29, 2024 10:20:42 GMT -5
The Sox should be selling hand over fist. Jansen, O'Neill, Valdez, Abreu.
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Post by Guidas on Jul 29, 2024 10:38:09 GMT -5
The Sox should be selling hand over fist. Jansen, O'Neill, Valdez, Abreu. Oh, nay nay. Go get Eovaldi and legit set-up man.
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Post by asm18 on Jul 29, 2024 10:48:42 GMT -5
Doubt it happens, but the Yankees trading a reliable if un-sexy lefty mainstay of their rotation for an injured Cardinals player AGAIN would be kinda funny
Edman has not played so far this year - but is on a rehab assignment
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Post by blizzards39 on Jul 29, 2024 10:51:07 GMT -5
There is 50 some games to go. We are 1 game out. We have 3 good relievers on the DL ( all seem reasonable they will Return) and there r still 2 days to make trades What about all the starters? A playoff run with this rotation would have a bunch of young guys coming close to doubling career high in innings. Playoffs is low amount of games and lots of days off. It's literally a crap shoot once your there. If im a fan a player or coach on this team and they dont add then im pissed.
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Post by greenmonster on Jul 29, 2024 10:51:08 GMT -5
Still some differing opinions about weather the Sox should be buying or selling, but IMO one thing everyone should be in agreement on is that the starting pitching needs reinforcements.. Either to make a push for 2024 playoffs or to preserve the health and well being of some of the arms that are projected to be part of 2025/2026. The last thing this team needs is for Houck, Kutter, etc to end up needing surgery.
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Post by awalkinthepark on Jul 29, 2024 10:57:53 GMT -5
It's incredible that the Red Sox are in the position they are in despite the injuries to Story, Casas, Giolito, Whitlock and Grissom, who were all projected to be significant contributors to this team. They rode good performances from everyone else but now it seems like the team is crashing back down to Earth.
I don't envy Breslow at all here. He has some hard decisions he's going to have to make over the next few days.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jul 29, 2024 11:20:51 GMT -5
What about all the starters? A playoff run with this rotation would have a bunch of young guys coming close to doubling career high in innings. Playoffs is low amount of games and lots of days off. It's literally a crap shoot once your there. If im a fan a player or coach on this team and they dont add then im pissed. You have to actually make the playoffs. Top starter is already at career high in innings, Crawford will be in next start or two, Chriswell in a few more. You have over 2 months before the playoffs start and only Bello/Pivetta are starters you don't worry about innings wise. It's baseball, so you never know, but the wheels coming off could certainly happen. Houck could be looking at doubling his inning total through a playoff run. So far they added James Paxton.
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Post by blizzards39 on Jul 29, 2024 11:33:25 GMT -5
Playoffs is low amount of games and lots of days off. It's literally a crap shoot once your there. If im a fan a player or coach on this team and they dont add then im pissed. You have to actually make the playoffs. Top starter is already at career high in innings, Crawford will be in next start or two, Chriswell in a few more. You have over 2 months before the playoffs start and only Bello/Pivetta are starters you don't worry about innings wise. It's baseball, so you never know, but the wheels coming off could certainly happen. Houck could be looking at doubling his inning total through a playoff run. So far they added James Paxton. That is why i like the idea of trading for a controlled starter now. It will still be a need in the offseason and price will be similar.
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Post by wanderingdude on Jul 29, 2024 11:35:07 GMT -5
I really wish they would have bought and sold but this is the next best path forward imo. This team is fun but I think they should wait to the offseason for the bigger trades and pair it with a lot of spending. It doesn’t help that reliever prices are insane right now and the Valdez for Pearson deal that fell through hurts.
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Post by trotnixon7 on Jul 29, 2024 11:42:32 GMT -5
I'd say it depends on what the return could be, if boston was some elite team, I wouldn't think about it..a fringe playoff team batting it out? I think it's fair to look at both sides. Like maybe you could flip kenley for prospects and than flip a surplus in your farm for rooker for ex..or another arm with more yrs of control etc. That way you're not really hurting yourself too much in the short term all the while still improving for when the competitive window really does open. Boston just isn't good enough imo to deal even one of the 2nd tier guys (cespedes/bleis/arias etc) for a pure rental and eyes should still be more so on next yr and yrs after. I mean, Arizona wasn't good enough last year either, and they made the World Series. I get it, the site is called Sox Prospects, but when the team is in contention for a playoff spot and we are talking about selling, and we have plenty of prospect capital to move, maybe we should consider moving some players that are blocked? I'm not saying move the big 3 and Campbell, but there are plenty of guys outside the top 10 that can be moved. I guess I just don't see the overwhelming value of "being In contention" when 12 teams make it/another few are within a couple of games or so. I'm sure theirs guys outside the top 10 you could use for tiny upgrades (OKish BP arms/justin turner type of player etc) which I'm OK with but idk, I just don't get super giddy over 85ish wins/fighting tooth and nail for a 3rd spot. If the BP market is insane and I could get a real piece for kenley? I just have a hard time saying no.
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Post by trotman on Jul 29, 2024 11:43:31 GMT -5
Doubt it happens, but the Yankees trading a reliable if un-sexy lefty mainstay of their rotation for an injured Cardinals player AGAIN would be kinda funny Edman has not played so far this year - but is on a rehab assignment Cortes path to the majors and ability to be successful is crazy. Just like our players development isn't linear. Rule 5 with Baltimore in 2018 where he just got blown out of the water, returned to the Yankees. Traded to the Mariners for international money then DFAed cause he sucked. Then resigned on a minor deal with the Yankees and was awesome in 2021. Let's hope Craig finds a diamond in the rough.
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Post by blizzards39 on Jul 29, 2024 11:53:30 GMT -5
If the pitching has indeed hit a wall its all that more important to being in help. Gui is when you step up and use the 13M$ of cap space we have. Take on a contract and get some cheap value.
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Post by julyanmorley on Jul 29, 2024 11:55:03 GMT -5
Reds got Ty France by trading a backup A-ball catcher
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Post by blizzards39 on Jul 29, 2024 11:56:18 GMT -5
Reds got Ty France a backup A-ball catcher Obviously sox think ges done or looking higher
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Post by rhswanzey on Jul 29, 2024 11:57:37 GMT -5
Innings jumps were going to be a problem for 2 of 3 (Whitlock, Crawford, Houck) before Giolito went down and it became clear we were going to try to get 550ip out of that group. Workload concerns with these guys really doesn’t have anything to do with what the team’s playoff positioning is. Ideally, Criswell would be the guy used to mitigate workload, and we’d have a couple guys like Fitts or Gambrell who are ready to make spot starts in MLB. The upper minors pitching depth really hurt here, because most of what’s available needs an MLB roster spot, or is going to opt out on May 1 if one isn’t cleared out for them.
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Post by nomar on Jul 29, 2024 12:02:23 GMT -5
Doubt it happens, but the Yankees trading a reliable if un-sexy lefty mainstay of their rotation for an injured Cardinals player AGAIN would be kinda funny Edman has not played so far this year - but is on a rehab assignment I’d love if the Yankees did this. Not learning from the Montgomery trade would be classic NYY
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Post by bmoneyproblemz on Jul 29, 2024 12:07:19 GMT -5
The Sox should be selling hand over fist. Jansen, O'Neill, Valdez, Abreu. Yes, because this will be wildly popular in the clubhouse as well. "Hey guys, we know that you were picked to be 4th at best to start the year, and we have made great strides this year with our younger core, but you aren't good enough to win 100 games and walk to a World Series championship so we're not going to give you a chance and make sure we go back to our projected wins, making the math right." *Tounge in cheek obviously but I still do not and will never understand this mindset.
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Post by blizzards39 on Jul 29, 2024 12:16:09 GMT -5
Old friend Jake Deikman designed. I say no
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Post by jdb on Jul 29, 2024 12:21:51 GMT -5
If the pitching has indeed hit a wall its all that more important to being in help. Gui is when you step up and use the 13M$ of cap space we have. Take on a contract and get some cheap value. Robbie Ray looked good in his first start back. I think he has two years left at $25 M per.
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Post by julyanmorley on Jul 29, 2024 12:32:46 GMT -5
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Post by blizzards39 on Jul 29, 2024 12:33:23 GMT -5
If the pitching has indeed hit a wall its all that more important to being in help. Gui is when you step up and use the 13M$ of cap space we have. Take on a contract and get some cheap value. Robbie Ray looked good in his first start back. I think he has two years left at $25 M per. Averaged over 95 with 4 seam. Highest of any stat cast year. Onky 32 years old. This makes some sence. Expensive but not a 1 year rental. 2.3 seasons for 57$ seems not outrageous. Probably wouldnt have to give up much if you ate the salary. Ray and Taylor Rogers for??
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Post by jimoh on Jul 29, 2024 12:40:25 GMT -5
Robbie Ray looked good in his first start back. I think he has two years left at $25 M per. Jeff Passan @jeffpassan · 2m Trade news: The Boston Red Sox and Pittsburgh Pirates are finalizing a deal that will send right-handed starter Quinn Priester to Boston and infield prospect Nick Yorke to Pitttsburgh, sources tell ESPN. [[[see priester trade thread]]]
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