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Post by asm18 on Jul 28, 2024 18:11:58 GMT -5
Buster Olney - grain of salt! - said Sox are looking for reliever (no kidding) but still looking for right-handed hitter, the position of which seems unclear. I suppose the Jamie Westbrook spot is still up for grabs
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Post by blizzards39 on Jul 28, 2024 18:23:39 GMT -5
Buster Olney - grain of salt! - said Sox are looking for reliever (no kidding) but still looking for right-handed hitter, the position of which seems unclear. I suppose the Jamie Westbrook spot is still up for grabs Sox need RP RP RF/SP RH bat 1B 2B Hopefully grissom , casas, 2 of slaten Martin Hendricks come back. And no more injuries.
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Post by pappyman99 on Jul 28, 2024 18:28:08 GMT -5
I still think I’m on the non existing world where we trade for Snell and move Pivetta to the Bullpen.
Paxton taking Criswells spot makes no sense to me as Criswell has been far better
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Post by asm18 on Jul 28, 2024 18:36:09 GMT -5
I still think I’m on the non existing world where we trade for Snell and move Pivetta to the Bullpen. Paxton taking Criswells spot makes no sense to me as Criswell has been far better Honestly if the cost for relievers remains incredibly high… it’s not crazy to just get a starter and move someone else to the pen and have that be a de facto bullpen addition. Whether they could get someone like Pivetta to buy into that (when he has free agency in a few months!) is unclear though…
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Post by wanderingdude on Jul 28, 2024 18:39:45 GMT -5
Buster Olney - grain of salt! - said Sox are looking for reliever (no kidding) but still looking for right-handed hitter, the position of which seems unclear. I suppose the Jamie Westbrook spot is still up for grabs He mentioned one who could play first base and outfield, but with Casas due back soon that feels like it won’t really be that impactful.
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Post by dirtywaterinla on Jul 28, 2024 18:40:07 GMT -5
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Post by wcsoxfan on Jul 28, 2024 18:43:06 GMT -5
I still think I’m on the non existing world where we trade for Snell and move Pivetta to the Bullpen. Paxton taking Criswells spot makes no sense to me as Criswell has been far better Nobody would want Bernardino starting over Pivetta, but in a piggyback situation it worked quite well last year. Could be they're planning the same thing for Paxton/Criswell (with the lefty pushing the other team to use all of their RHH in the lineup). Pivetta hasn't been a true reliever since 2019, and he wasn't great at the time, so unless they're piggybacking him with Paxton (over Criswell) then I'm not sure how it would work.
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Post by incandenza on Jul 28, 2024 20:55:41 GMT -5
It could be a pretty huge game against Seattle tomorrow. With a loss they would fall a half game behind the Mariners in the wild card and there'd be two teams ahead of them for the third wild card, which I'm guessing would knock them down to their customary 30% playoff odds at the deadline or thereabouts. Depends on KC and MIN too of course.
I suppose the ship has sailed on their actually being sellers, but pushing the odds that low might prevent them from making whatever significant additions they might be thinking about.
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Post by julyanmorley on Jul 28, 2024 20:56:50 GMT -5
I wonder if there's a single Red Sox fan who would rather have Kenley than George Klassen
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Post by julyanmorley on Jul 28, 2024 20:58:34 GMT -5
I suppose the ship has sailed on their actually being sellers Possibly, but it has to be said that this would be by far the most amusing outcome after having already picked our lane
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Post by oldfaithful2019 on Jul 28, 2024 21:00:56 GMT -5
Regardless of the standings, this Sox team is in a very bad place right now.
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Post by thelpc on Jul 28, 2024 21:08:02 GMT -5
Should probably try to trade Kenley at this point, especially with how stupid the market for relievers is. Don’t see any scenario where this team makes the postseason considering how taxed all the arms are
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Post by blizzards39 on Jul 28, 2024 21:27:04 GMT -5
Should probably try to trade Kenley at this point, especially with how stupid the market for relievers is. Don’t see any scenario where this team makes the postseason considering how taxed all the arms are There is 50 some games to go. We are 1 game out. We have 3 good relievers on the DL ( all seem reasonable they will Return) and there r still 2 days to make trades
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Post by taiwansox on Jul 28, 2024 22:41:39 GMT -5
Should probably try to trade Kenley at this point, especially with how stupid the market for relievers is. Don’t see any scenario where this team makes the postseason considering how taxed all the arms are Just like Paxton last year, you could argue that his projection for the rest of the year is not great given his age. It’s not inconceivable he’s a 4.00 FIP pitcher the rest of the way and you’d be better off cashing out early. The only really downside I see is the clubhouse dynamic with your one bullpen veteran, but if the offer is strong we should pull the trigger
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Post by asm18 on Jul 28, 2024 23:08:57 GMT -5
Should probably try to trade Kenley at this point, especially with how stupid the market for relievers is. Don’t see any scenario where this team makes the postseason considering how taxed all the arms are If they go like 30-28 or 31-27 the rest of the way there’s a very solid chance they make the playoffs over the other fringe teams in the AL. That’s what we’re talking here. We’re not asking for a Rockies 2007 miracle at the moment If everyone was legit hurt instead of just sucking I would get it. I fully acknowledge the rickety state of the pitching staff is a real thing - but it’s not like other teams don’t also have to deal with the specter of pitching injuries the next two months
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Post by lilyelliott4 on Jul 29, 2024 7:16:36 GMT -5
On MLB site, Lesko is the Padres #3 prospect ( #76 top 100), Bush Jr. #8 and more tbd. That is a high price. As has been stated above, I wouldn't use MLB's rankings right now. The only updates they do prior to the draft/deadline are to move prospects in and out due to trade or graduation. For example, if we include Kristian Campbell trade, MLB's list would imply that we only gave up our #30 prospect. Also, ranking is not that meaningful. The #3 prospect for 1 team could be comparable to the #8 on another. Great points! MLB's rankings can definitely be misleading, especially around the draft or trade deadline when they're primarily adjusting for trades and graduations rather than reassessing player value. Rankings also vary a lot from team to team because of different scouting and development approaches. A prospect's ranking isn't always indicative of their true potential, especially when comparing players across different organizations. It's better to look at a player's skills, tools, and performance rather than just their ranking on a list.
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Post by bmoneyproblemz on Jul 29, 2024 7:48:49 GMT -5
Should probably try to trade Kenley at this point, especially with how stupid the market for relievers is. Don’t see any scenario where this team makes the postseason considering how taxed all the arms are Serious question: why do you want to sell our best reliever when they are in contention for a playoff spot? Why not use our prospect capital to get another reliever?
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Post by trotnixon7 on Jul 29, 2024 8:06:30 GMT -5
Should probably try to trade Kenley at this point, especially with how stupid the market for relievers is. Don’t see any scenario where this team makes the postseason considering how taxed all the arms are Serious question: why do you want to sell our best reliever when they are in contention for a playoff spot? Why not use our prospect capital to get another reliever? I'd say it depends on what the return could be, if boston was some elite team, I wouldn't think about it..a fringe playoff team batting it out? I think it's fair to look at both sides. Like maybe you could flip kenley for prospects and than flip a surplus in your farm for rooker for ex..or another arm with more yrs of control etc. That way you're not really hurting yourself too much in the short term all the while still improving for when the competitive window really does open. Boston just isn't good enough imo to deal even one of the 2nd tier guys (cespedes/bleis/arias etc) for a pure rental and eyes should still be more so on next yr and yrs after.
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Post by bmoneyproblemz on Jul 29, 2024 8:27:51 GMT -5
Serious question: why do you want to sell our best reliever when they are in contention for a playoff spot? Why not use our prospect capital to get another reliever? I'd say it depends on what the return could be, if boston was some elite team, I wouldn't think about it..a fringe playoff team batting it out? I think it's fair to look at both sides. Like maybe you could flip kenley for prospects and than flip a surplus in your farm for rooker for ex..or another arm with more yrs of control etc. That way you're not really hurting yourself too much in the short term all the while still improving for when the competitive window really does open. Boston just isn't good enough imo to deal even one of the 2nd tier guys (cespedes/bleis/arias etc) for a pure rental and eyes should still be more so on next yr and yrs after. I mean, Arizona wasn't good enough last year either, and they made the World Series. I get it, the site is called Sox Prospects, but when the team is in contention for a playoff spot and we are talking about selling, and we have plenty of prospect capital to move, maybe we should consider moving some players that are blocked? I'm not saying move the big 3 and Campbell, but there are plenty of guys outside the top 10 that can be moved.
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Post by puzzler on Jul 29, 2024 9:08:24 GMT -5
I'd say it depends on what the return could be, if boston was some elite team, I wouldn't think about it..a fringe playoff team batting it out? I think it's fair to look at both sides. Like maybe you could flip kenley for prospects and than flip a surplus in your farm for rooker for ex..or another arm with more yrs of control etc. That way you're not really hurting yourself too much in the short term all the while still improving for when the competitive window really does open. Boston just isn't good enough imo to deal even one of the 2nd tier guys (cespedes/bleis/arias etc) for a pure rental and eyes should still be more so on next yr and yrs after. I mean, Arizona wasn't good enough last year either, and they made the World Series. I get it, the site is called Sox Prospects, but when the team is in contention for a playoff spot and we are talking about selling, and we have plenty of prospect capital to move, maybe we should consider moving some players that are blocked? I'm not saying move the big 3 and Campbell, but there are plenty of guys outside the top 10 that can be moved. I'd say that selling should be off the table. Unless we're getting back good pitching prospects, there's not really anything that we can get that we don't already have in spades. We also still have a slight crunch - so there are spots available to trade from, but judging on the Jansen return and the overall lack of trades thus far - it seems like there are a bunch more buyers than there are sellers which means anything available that has any value is going to cost a lot. I'd be willing to trade Cespedes or Bleis - but not for a rental reliever. And what you're going to get from trading players more in the Paulino range isn't all that great. They need someone for the bullpen, but I think I'd rather buy a starting pitcher. Sadly, based on the market, this team is likely going to have to win this with additions from within and a bunch of pitchers pulling together a little internal fortitude.
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Post by puzzler on Jul 29, 2024 9:23:59 GMT -5
If I were the Red Sox - if they aren't going to be able to get Rooker - I'd go get Turner from the Blue Jays. Jansen isn't going to be enough to fix the RH issues and while I appreciate everything Dom Smith has offered - once Casas comes back, he only has value as a late inning defensive replacement. Turner would be a steadying influence on a really young roster that could use it right now. And he has been super clutch, which this team is desperately going to need down the stretch. And lastly, he should cost all that much.
EDIT: He also clearly wants to come back.
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Post by asm18 on Jul 29, 2024 9:24:33 GMT -5
Lorenzen to the Royals
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Post by Oregon Norm on Jul 29, 2024 9:31:06 GMT -5
Took a while, but the change in starter usage patterns has greatly impacted baseball economics. Stands to reason that pitch count limitations would significantly increase the valuation of relievers: openers; long; middle; swing; closers. So yes, they're a drug on the market. It's going to take some player capital to get any moves made given the competition for those arms.
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Post by puzzler on Jul 29, 2024 9:37:40 GMT -5
I'd bet on him doing to the Royals exactly what he did to the Phillies. His underlying numbers look just as bad and in some cases worse than last year.
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Post by sxfan on Jul 29, 2024 10:03:33 GMT -5
Prediction time-
The Sox acquire old friend Michael Kopech for a few top 30 guys. Similar to the Jansen deal.
Breslow almost acquired a big arm in Nate Pearson, Kopech fits that same build as a big arm. He aims for guys like that philosophy wise. 12 and half strikeouts per nine innings but also 5 walks per nine innings.
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