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Post by julyanmorley on Jul 29, 2024 22:40:06 GMT -5
Soler hasn't played an inning of defense this year, and neither has Marcell Ozuna
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Post by cdj on Jul 29, 2024 22:44:45 GMT -5
Also reacquiring reliever Luke Jackson in the deal
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Post by asm18 on Jul 29, 2024 22:51:04 GMT -5
Jon Becker of Fangraphs was speculating that the Giants might be trying to get under the CBT. FG estimates their payroll as $253 mil. First CBT line is 237 - so cut like 16 mil in AAV? Soler at 14 mil AAV = prorated for 2 months that’s almost 5 AAV off that number. Happy to help, Farhan! Do they have any particular expensive pitchers they are trying to trade… www.fangraphs.com/roster-resource/payroll/giants
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Post by blizzards39 on Jul 29, 2024 23:04:09 GMT -5
Jon Becker of Fangraphs was speculating that the Giants might be trying to get under the CBT. FG estimates their payroll as $253 mil. First CBT line is 237 - so cut like 16 mil in AAV? Soler at 14 mil AAV = prorated for 2 months that’s almost 5 AAV off that number. Happy to help, Farhan! Do they have any particular expensive pitchers they are trying to trade… www.fangraphs.com/roster-resource/payroll/giantsSnell ray rogers. Taking on $ might be the only way to add without costing heavy prospect capital.
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Post by julyanmorley on Jul 29, 2024 23:05:46 GMT -5
Giants get the Braves 2023 third rounder who has been mediocre. Kinda surprised the Giants weren't the ones throwing the prospect in tbh.
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Post by samb on Jul 29, 2024 23:05:53 GMT -5
Am I wrong or does Snell's proration take us over the luxury tax.
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Post by wOBA Fett on Jul 29, 2024 23:07:13 GMT -5
Soler has a terrible contract. He's 32 with 2/32 remining
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Post by asm18 on Jul 29, 2024 23:09:04 GMT -5
Am I wrong or does Snell's proration take us over the luxury tax. He has a weird contract where because of his signing bonus (which is 17 mil) apparently the AAV is 15 mil - prorated that’s 5 mil AAV for two months. I believe we have like 9 mil left to play with or so
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Post by julyanmorley on Jul 29, 2024 23:10:40 GMT -5
One thing I'm noticing with this deals is there's a huge number of 2023 draft picks - the guys furthest away from being Rule 5 eligible. Off the top of my head Paulino is the only Rule 5 eligible player traded who isn't an extremely easy decision to protect. Nobody wants those guys.
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Post by blizzards39 on Jul 29, 2024 23:12:50 GMT -5
Had we landed pearson for Valdez id be content with the moves. Still need 1 pitcher. And probably a RH bat. One could argue taht is Grissom and hope Casas comes back without splits. Id take rogers and snell and I honestly think thats a contender if things go at all right. What would it cost??
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Post by asm18 on Jul 29, 2024 23:13:53 GMT -5
Jon Becker of Fangraphs was speculating that the Giants might be trying to get under the CBT. FG estimates their payroll as $253 mil. First CBT line is 237 - so cut like 16 mil in AAV? Soler at 14 mil AAV = prorated for 2 months that’s almost 5 AAV off that number. Happy to help, Farhan! Do they have any particular expensive pitchers they are trying to trade… www.fangraphs.com/roster-resource/payroll/giantsSnell ray rogers. Taking on $ might be the only way to add without costing heavy prospect capital. The Rogers twins make a combined 14-15 mil - just send the brothers over as a package deal to reunite with Bailey and fix the bullpen. We can’t separate those two!
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Post by cdj on Jul 29, 2024 23:44:04 GMT -5
I think I like Robbie Ray more than Snell?
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Post by asm18 on Jul 29, 2024 23:54:15 GMT -5
I think I like Robbie Ray more than Snell? Ray can opt out after this year, but he’d be leaving basically 2 years, 50 million on the table if he did so. That seems… fairish? Coming off TJ and rehab at almost age 33 is it realistic he beats that?
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Post by alexcorahomevideo on Jul 30, 2024 4:59:19 GMT -5
You have to. The only bad thing is of course the team is in the playoff race and they need starting pitching so they would need to acquire another arm to replace Pivetta. Is that worth it?
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Post by cba82 on Jul 30, 2024 6:45:44 GMT -5
Might it make sense to try to trade Dom Smith today, to at least get something in return for him (vs. releasing him outright when Casas returns)? I can’t see the team carrying him as a back-up first baseman with no positional versatility.
The risk, of course, is that Casas takes longer than expected, or re-aggravates the injury.
Hate to see Smith go, I like him.
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Post by pappyman99 on Jul 30, 2024 6:55:15 GMT -5
Wonder if we dangle Winckowski and anyone takes the bait
Maybe someone ole the tigers likes him and he helps absorb some of the cost for someone like Flaherty and a reliever of theirs
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Post by jdb on Jul 30, 2024 7:00:32 GMT -5
How does Snells signing bonus and deferrals affect his remaining AAV this year? Spotrac has his 2024 payroll salary at $23.5M which would keep us under the tax I believe.
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Post by soxpatsceltics on Jul 30, 2024 7:12:07 GMT -5
You have to. The only bad thing is of course the team is in the playoff race and they need starting pitching so they would need to acquire another arm to replace Pivetta. Is that worth it? Yeah if you can get 2 45FV guys you gotta do it. In some ways that "other arm" is Priester, Criswell moves back to SP5 until mid/late August until Priester gets refined for a few rotation trips in Worcester and gets that extra year of control. Makes me wish the Sox were in on a guy like Lorenzen who only got back a single 40ish FV guy. Seems crazy but I wouldn't mind brining in Patrick Corbin (Washington pays him down) if Pivetta moves out... his last 2 months he's pitched better than he has at any point over the last 3 years.
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Post by Guidas on Jul 30, 2024 7:21:46 GMT -5
You have to. The only bad thing is of course the team is in the playoff race and they need starting pitching so they would need to acquire another arm to replace Pivetta. Is that worth it? Yeah if you can get 2 45FV guys you gotta do it. In some ways that "other arm" is Priester, Criswell moves back to SP5 until mid/late August until Priester gets refined for a few rotation trips in Worcester and gets that extra year of control. Makes me wish the Sox were in on a guy like Lorenzen who only got back a single 40ish FV guy. Seems crazy but I wouldn't mind brining in Patrick Corbin (Washington pays him down) if Pivetta moves out... his last 2 months he's pitched better than he has at any point over the last 3 years. Stuff+ loves Pivetta. Now all you have to do is find a FO that loves stuff plus and thinks they can get more out of him.
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Post by notstarboard on Jul 30, 2024 7:27:30 GMT -5
Yeah if you can get 2 45FV guys you gotta do it. In some ways that "other arm" is Priester, Criswell moves back to SP5 until mid/late August until Priester gets refined for a few rotation trips in Worcester and gets that extra year of control. Makes me wish the Sox were in on a guy like Lorenzen who only got back a single 40ish FV guy. Seems crazy but I wouldn't mind brining in Patrick Corbin (Washington pays him down) if Pivetta moves out... his last 2 months he's pitched better than he has at any point over the last 3 years. Stuff+ loves Pivetta. Now all you have to do is find a FO that loves stuff plus and thinks they can get more out of him. They don't even need to get more out of him - he has a 3.52 xERA and 3.85 FIP this year while making $7.5 million. Lots of teams should be interested in that.
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Post by stevedillard on Jul 30, 2024 7:35:29 GMT -5
In my view they’re still in the ramp up phase to the window. Competing this year is not the mirage Bloom sold us the past two years when we should solely have been sellers. I’m good with buying a longer term asset like the Yorke trade. So I’m also ok with selling Kenley or Pivetta for a good asset 2025-2028. Even if it harms us this year making the playoffs. My eye is on dominating after this year. They’re entertaining seeing the kids playing even if the season ends in September rather than another week later
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Post by Addam603 on Jul 30, 2024 7:38:22 GMT -5
Front office is in an interesting spot. Team was on a downward slope and then pulls out a beat down of one of their wildcard challengers. The last two weeks have seen them in BUY and SELL mode. Either way they need to upgrade the bullpen. But it would also be irresponsible for them not to test the waters on their rentals, given the market. It’s not a mandate to trade Jansen and Pivetta (maybe O’Niell too), but if someone offers you a godfather offer then you’d be foolish not to consider it.
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Post by alexcorahomevideo on Jul 30, 2024 7:48:06 GMT -5
Yeah if you can get 2 45FV guys you gotta do it. In some ways that "other arm" is Priester, Criswell moves back to SP5 until mid/late August until Priester gets refined for a few rotation trips in Worcester and gets that extra year of control. Makes me wish the Sox were in on a guy like Lorenzen who only got back a single 40ish FV guy. Seems crazy but I wouldn't mind brining in Patrick Corbin (Washington pays him down) if Pivetta moves out... his last 2 months he's pitched better than he has at any point over the last 3 years. Stuff+ loves Pivetta. Now all you have to do is find a FO that loves stuff plus and thinks they can get more out of him. Wish Houston offered that trade to Boston instead. This place would have been partying over getting Loperfido
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Post by rhswanzey on Jul 30, 2024 7:53:14 GMT -5
Look how full Fenway has been recently. It’s been a while. I think you absolutely can’t sell off major pieces at this point - major defined as players they’re obviously unable to replace in house. What message does that send to the fans at large, as well as a clubhouse full of a lot of players who are expected to be around for subsequent playoff runs. There is meaningful value to playoff appearances, even in years where you don’t have a perceived juggernaut. Lots of examples of that type of team getting bounced, too.
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Post by bmoneyproblemz on Jul 30, 2024 7:57:10 GMT -5
In my view they’re still in the ramp up phase to the window. Competing this year is not the mirage Bloom sold us the past two years when we should solely have been sellers. I’m good with buying a longer term asset like the Yorke trade. So I’m also ok with selling Kenley or Pivetta for a good asset 2025-2028. Even if it harms us this year making the playoffs. My eye is on dominating after this year. They’re entertaining seeing the kids playing even if the season ends in September rather than another week later The good news is that the Red Sox can do both. We can have a playoff run, maybe even similar to the DBacks last year. I saw Cotillo's post and I do agree you have to listen but I do not think it's wise to subtract from a team trying to push to make the playoffs. Kenley has turned a corner again and seems fully invested to winning here. Who knows maybe he even comes back! The only way I'm selling this year is if we then take the prospects we get and move them for other pieces that can help us win. The players on the team are not just robots. They are professionals and great professionals, but imagine being Devers and basically pleading for help the last two deadlines, and this year the FO says they're going to help only to sell the day of? Why piss off your franchise player and your re-signed manager? Why give up on this season when the players are fully invested and many have taken great strides forward? Give them help, don't blow up the farm but this is what the farm is for.
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