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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jul 30, 2024 10:01:27 GMT -5
I wonder if the Sox take on some money and trade for Chad Green to be their setup guy. I would think high leverage setup pitching for a reasonable player acquisition cost would necessitate spending to mitigate that prospect cost somewhat.
As opposed to giving up too much for a closer like a Fairbanks or a Finnegan or a Tanner Scott or a controllable guy like Erceg.
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Post by Guidas on Jul 30, 2024 10:08:52 GMT -5
Probably a good list of shiny objects who could be moved: Apparently the buzz is Snell might not get moved, but who knows. The Giants cannot QO him and as discussed at length they bare risk for him getting hurt and paying him his player option - but it’s been a rough few years in San Fran and they’re 4 games out of a WC spot. Maybe their GM is focused on how he spins things to his bosses than the best trade return and logical move 🤷♂️ I would love Skubal but I think he'd cost you at least two of Anthony/Mayer/Teel plus at least one of Campbell/Paraeles/Cespedas plus prob another guy from the top 15. Of course, if you could defray the cost from the Big 3 guys by flipping Pivetta for prospects that Det covets, you do that, but I still think you'd have to give up one of them in the deal even with that. Maybe I'm over-projecting the value, but even giving up one of those top 3 guys seems like too much and setting the org up for regret.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jul 30, 2024 10:09:07 GMT -5
tick, tick, tick, tick
I want tick, tick, tick, tick, boom.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jul 30, 2024 10:13:23 GMT -5
Probably a good list of shiny objects who could be moved: Apparently the buzz is Snell might not get moved, but who knows. The Giants cannot QO him and as discussed at length they bare risk for him getting hurt and paying him his player option - but it’s been a rough few years in San Fran and they’re 4 games out of a WC spot. Maybe their GM is focused on how he spins things to his bosses than the best trade return and logical move 🤷♂️ A's aren't looking for prospects for Brent Rooker and the WS are unhappy with Crotchet's agent about his extension comment. Sox are in a position to land both without including the big 4.
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Post by badfishnbc on Jul 30, 2024 10:21:21 GMT -5
Sox are in a position to land both without including the big 4. I'm of the mindset that we should avoid moving a Sinister 6 (with Arias and Valera) but I admit I'm probably the exception to the rule.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jul 30, 2024 10:30:52 GMT -5
Sox are in a position to land both without including the big 4. I'm of the mindset that we should avoid moving a Sinister 6 (with Arias and Valera) but I admit I'm probably the exception to the rule. I'll go out on a limb here and say that Valera is probably safe.
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Post by redsoxpride34 on Jul 30, 2024 10:31:15 GMT -5
More and more reports popping up about the sox being in on Crochet. Wonder if his agents recent comments could bring down Crochet's cost a tiny bit. He does fit what Breslow has indicated he's looking for in that he's under control for multiple years. With the cost of back end relievers being so high, I wonder if that might push Breslow to pay the price for Crochet rather than spending say 80-85% of it on a reliever.
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Post by thegoodthebadthesox on Jul 30, 2024 10:39:45 GMT -5
Given the likely cost and the injury risk with Crochet, my head says no way should the Sox make that move... But my heart yearns for that level of pitcher. So in my head I'm now at the point to where if they can do it without parting with Mayer or Teel, I'll probably be able to deal.
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Post by greenmonster on Jul 30, 2024 10:42:07 GMT -5
Name a pitcher that doesn't have any risk of injury
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Post by julyanmorley on Jul 30, 2024 10:50:42 GMT -5
After we weren't in on Amed Rosario who was basically given away I am doubting the talk of us wanting a right handed infielder.
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Post by sxfan on Jul 30, 2024 11:05:04 GMT -5
More and more reports popping up about the sox being in on Crochet. Wonder if his agents recent comments could bring down Crochet's cost a tiny bit. He does fit what Breslow has indicated he's looking for in that he's under control for multiple years. With the cost of back end relievers being so high, I wonder if that might push Breslow to pay the price for Crochet rather than spending say 80-85% of it on a reliever. A guy like Bleis offered isn't insignificant. Still young at AA. Has all the raw tools and outside of a top 100 prospect status. I'm not sure a package headlined by him is enough. I would have no problem extending Crotchet either, he's way younger than the free agent class.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jul 30, 2024 11:06:15 GMT -5
Name a pitcher that doesn't have any risk of injury Cy Young no chance he's getting injured.
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Post by chr31ter on Jul 30, 2024 11:06:30 GMT -5
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Post by wcsoxfan on Jul 30, 2024 11:23:56 GMT -5
Have to wonder if the Tigers would be more willing to trade Skubal if the other team takes back Baez. He's been beyond awful (32 wRC+), while dealing with back issues, and has 3 years left (age 32-34) at 25mil/year.
Baez' peripheral hitting numbers look solid and he's improved on his previously high strikeout rates (career best 21.4%). Defense has regressed a bit, but he's still solid at SS (-2 OAA). Would expect the Tigers to eat some of the contract.
If a team were to offer a near MLB ready SS while taking back most of the salary, Tigers would have to listen.
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Post by ephus on Jul 30, 2024 11:27:53 GMT -5
I fully expect the Red Sox to make one or two additional moves today, but with Casas starting rehab and Grissom looking like he's swinging a better stick; it's almost too easy to write the time-tested "with the guys we have coming back" statement.
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Post by asm18 on Jul 30, 2024 11:30:51 GMT -5
I fully expect the Red Sox to make one or two additional moves today, but with Casas starting rehab and Grissom looking like he's swinging a better stick; it's almost too easy to write the time-tested "with the guys we have coming back" statement. Jen McCaffrey reported today Grissom is likely getting optioned back to AAA when his rehab assignment is up
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Post by bellhorndingers21 on Jul 30, 2024 11:36:37 GMT -5
Have to wonder if the Tigers would be more willing to trade Skubal if the other team takes back Baez. He's been beyond awful (32 wRC+), while dealing with back issues, and has 3 years left (age 32-34) at 25mil/year. Baez' peripheral hitting numbers look solid and he's improved on his previously high strikeout rates (career best 21.4%). Defense has regressed a bit, but he's still solid at SS (-2 OAA). Would expect the Tigers to eat some of the contract. If a team were to offer a near MLB ready SS while taking back most of the salary, Tigers would have to listen. This was a topic recently in the trade proposal forum. The TLDR: The Tigers would be crazy to tank Skubal's value attaching Baez.
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Post by nonothing on Jul 30, 2024 11:39:16 GMT -5
I wonder if Bello could get moved in a deal for a true 1/2 with control beyond this year. He has LT value, but could be replaced on our roster this year and in the future. He doesn't seem to fit our new pitching system priorities despite his spring training contract signing (mostly bringing in bigger bodied starters) and pitching lab changes not going well so far this year (though he is certainly a valuable pitcher). I think he could be effective in the pen in the playoffs, but I can also see moving him in a deal for Crochet or Snell.
I think DET will only move Skubal for a deal with a franchise SS, and I think BAL will pony up Holliday more likely than we would Mayer. They have others, so would make sense for them, and we don't near the majors, so I don't think the best idea for us.
But Bello... I could see him as part of return to CHW or SF as a legit cost-controlled mid-rotation SP for those teams -- or even to OAK for Rooker if we first moved Yoshida, which would be less straightforward, unless part of a deal for Snell, where big contracts move as part of the deal.
But picture landing Snell and Rooker... would be very interesting if they could thread the needle dealing from the big league club/40 man sending out Bello, Yoshida and maybe Valdez + plus prospects to get Snell and Rooker.
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Post by nomar on Jul 30, 2024 11:41:32 GMT -5
If the Red Sox added Rooker they’d have to trade Yoshida and I really don’t see that happening today.
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Post by nonothing on Jul 30, 2024 11:43:07 GMT -5
If the Red Sox added Rooker they’d have to trade Yoshida and I really don’t see that happening today. Agree -- unlikely, but the Giants could be a team where a trade could work.
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Post by chr31ter on Jul 30, 2024 11:47:02 GMT -5
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Post by ematz1423 on Jul 30, 2024 11:47:24 GMT -5
I wouldn't like to see Bello dealt. I think part of his problem is he's putting too much pressure on himself after getting the extension, we've seen it happen before. I think he has a really good chance to bounce back next season and be closer to a #3 SP with years of even #2 numbers. I would hate to give that up.
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Post by mobaz on Jul 30, 2024 11:52:33 GMT -5
Why does everyone else's 4.50 ERA pitcher appeal to me more than our 4.50 ERA pitchers this time of year?? Psychology is weird.
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Post by shagworthy on Jul 30, 2024 11:55:55 GMT -5
Why does everyone else's 4.50 ERA pitcher appeal to me more than our 4.50 ERA pitchers this time of year?? Psychology is weird. Recency Bias? We've seen our stable of underperformers more frequently and so in a quest for change we're more willing to overlook someone else's warts who we haven't seen as much?
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Post by blizzards39 on Jul 30, 2024 12:07:01 GMT -5
tick, tick, tick, tick I want tick, tick, tick, tick, boom. Well id say expectations are higher than what teams will pay. We are at a stand off. 5 hours to go
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