shagworthy
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Post by shagworthy on Jul 30, 2024 16:33:55 GMT -5
Look, nobody is going to convince anyone, but please lets not turn this into 24 extra pages of "I'm not touching you", while wagging our fingers an inch from each other's noses. Some like the moves, some don't, state your case and move on.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Jul 30, 2024 16:35:36 GMT -5
I'll wait until the deadline passes to share my view.
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Post by dirtywaterinla on Jul 30, 2024 16:35:48 GMT -5
I think the Sox are probably done. Maybe they get a lesser (than Sims) reliever, perhaps a lefty. I'd like to see them get Chad Green if possible. Pretty underwhelming so far. I honestly wonder how much of this is financially related. I don’t think finances play any factor into this. They have plenty of room under the first CBT tier. If anything, it’s the cost of prospect capital that’s preventing substantial moves.
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Post by threeifbaerga on Jul 30, 2024 16:36:02 GMT -5
The team has some serious holes and are close to a spot. I'd rather they give up and sell and get some assets or make a big move to shore up at least A problem. This is just more of the same of the same as not really doing anything (last year literally doing nothing) because you're worried about angering the fans, but won't invest in a team that badly needs it to seriously compete. I don't care which direction they go in. I prefer sell, but pick a direction. If you believe in this team, spend some real capital and make a push. They're just hoping to limp in with these moves and call it a season. The Red Sox after underwhelming deadlines the last couple of years completely fell apart. I think this team is better, but I really don't want mostly .500 ball and you were just not as bad as KC so you get in and then in all likelihood get bounced early. You're still missing the context. Stop looking backwards, and start looking forward. There window for contention has not opened yet. The fact that they are where there are right now is surprising to everybody. The collection of prospects that they have at AA and above is what makes their window of contention so close, so trading from The top end of that now would hurt more than it would help. It would be like the Orioles trading Gunner Henderson two years ago for Juan Soto. Would it have helped year one and year two? Yes but they would have had to then go out and replace Juan Soto's production in years three four and five when their contention window is really open.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Jul 30, 2024 16:38:03 GMT -5
Look, nobody is going to convince anyone, but please lets not turn this into 24 extra pages of "I'm not touching you", while wagging our fingers an inch from each other's noses. Some like the moves, some don't, state your case and move on. Noted. I was just responding in kind, but agreed. I personally like the moves in a vacuum FWIW. I just don't think they're nearly enough for what this team needs. It's low risk, low reward. But there's no move Breslow has made that I would undo.
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Post by nonothing on Jul 30, 2024 16:39:33 GMT -5
would've been okay if they traded Kenley for this Sure, but I think not trading Kenley is more about preventing a riot in the clubhouse than anything else I think clubhouse would be okay if it related to landing Snell... just my take. Otherwise, I think you have to keep him. It would have to be related to prospect capital to get a big SP deal done.
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Post by vermontsox1 on Jul 30, 2024 16:40:39 GMT -5
Mets traded for Huascar Brazoban
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Post by rico6 on Jul 30, 2024 16:40:53 GMT -5
Our old friend Ben is addicted to activity this deadline DiPoto rubbing off on him.
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Post by bellhorndingers21 on Jul 30, 2024 16:43:15 GMT -5
Will the Marlins have enough players to field a team tonight?
Also, I'd like to formally start the push for Craig to trade for Sandy Alcantara this winter.
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Post by vermontsox1 on Jul 30, 2024 16:44:15 GMT -5
Orioles acquiring Eloy Jimenez from the White Sox.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Jul 30, 2024 16:46:17 GMT -5
The team has some serious holes and are close to a spot. I'd rather they give up and sell and get some assets or make a big move to shore up at least A problem. This is just more of the same of the same as not really doing anything (last year literally doing nothing) because you're worried about angering the fans, but won't invest in a team that badly needs it to seriously compete. I don't care which direction they go in. I prefer sell, but pick a direction. If you believe in this team, spend some real capital and make a push. They're just hoping to limp in with these moves and call it a season. The Red Sox after underwhelming deadlines the last couple of years completely fell apart. I think this team is better, but I really don't want mostly .500 ball and you were just not as bad as KC so you get in and then in all likelihood get bounced early. You're still missing the context. Stop looking backwards, and start looking forward. There window for contention has not opened yet. The fact that they are where there are right now is surprising to everybody. The collection of prospects that they have at AA and above is what makes their window of contention so close, so trading from The top end of that now would hurt more than it would help. It would be like the Orioles trading Gunner Henderson two years ago for Juan Soto. Would it have helped year one and year two? Yes but they would have had to then go out and replace Juan Soto's production in years three four and five when their contention window is really open. To put it another way, if you don't think this window is right now, that's fine. They have an insane core of guys coming up and are already here with Casas, Duran, Houck, Mayer, Anthony, Campbell, Crawford, Devers and I'm sure I'm missing guys. With that said, what would really help that core be even better is selling Pivetta, O'Neil, Jansen and maybe a couple of other guys. Even if they themselves are B-graded or whatever prospects they're still assets to be used to claim future talent when needed. But if you're thinking this is a playoff team then go for it and flip a Campbell type for someone who can help now and maybe has some term. This is just stagnation and this season is just another whatever year until these AA guys can get here.
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Post by seamus on Jul 30, 2024 16:46:35 GMT -5
Man, can we retroactively boot TLR from Cooperstown? That White Sox team was so exciting for a brief moment...
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jul 30, 2024 16:47:35 GMT -5
I would think Rengifo goes, maybe the Sox?
Flaherty will go. I'd think Fairbanks could still go. Maybe Finnegan.
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Post by rico6 on Jul 30, 2024 16:47:40 GMT -5
Orioles acquiring Eloy Jimenez from the White Sox. The O's are lighting up the deadline.
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Post by ericmvan on Jul 30, 2024 16:48:30 GMT -5
If this is it then this is year 3 of a rather pointless deadline. I'm sure Bloom could have made similar moves. Will be curious if the team plays as if they're disappointed. Paxton and Jansen are anything but pointless. Especially Jansen, who adds the missing extra RH bate while upgrading the offense for the backup catcher and while making it possible to keep Dom Smith on the roster alongside Casas, something I thought was impossible.
They did the right thing in the insane reliever seller's market, acquiring three so-so pitchers they clearly think have upside. If just one of Yoham Ramires, Lucas Sims, or Quinn Priester pans out, they end up well in the bang-for-bucks competition.
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Post by rico6 on Jul 30, 2024 16:49:13 GMT -5
White Sox and Phillies making a trade. Looks like the White Sox are making a last minute push.
Phillies getting left hander Tanner Banks per Robert Murray
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Post by threeifbaerga on Jul 30, 2024 16:51:12 GMT -5
You're still missing the context. Stop looking backwards, and start looking forward. There window for contention has not opened yet. The fact that they are where there are right now is surprising to everybody. The collection of prospects that they have at AA and above is what makes their window of contention so close, so trading from The top end of that now would hurt more than it would help. It would be like the Orioles trading Gunner Henderson two years ago for Juan Soto. Would it have helped year one and year two? Yes but they would have had to then go out and replace Juan Soto's production in years three four and five when their contention window is really open. To put it another way, if you don't think this window is right now, that's fine. They have an insane core of guys coming up and are already here with Casas, Duran, Houck, Mayer, Anthony, Campbell, Crawford, Devers and I'm sure I'm missing guys. With that said, what would really help that core be even better is selling Pivetta, O'Neil, Jansen and maybe a couple of other guys. Even if they themselves are B-graded or whatever prospects they're still assets to be used to claim future talent when needed. But if you're thinking this is a playoff team then go for it and flip a Campbell type for someone who can help now and maybe has some term. This is just stagnation and this season is just another whatever year until these AA guys can get here. I think your line of reasoning, while valid, creates a false dichotomy: The idea that the only two valid courses of action are to tank or go all in. There is something to be gained, especially in a year where they have more prospects than they do space to protect them from the rule 5 draft, from working on the margins to try to sneak into the playoffs. Once you're in, all bets are off. So bolstering the bullpen, the rotation, and bringing in a right-handed bat cost relatively little from their future success, while keeping fans interested, their roster invested, and potentially good vibes going into the off season when they will have money to spend on top free agents.
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Post by dirtywaterinla on Jul 30, 2024 16:52:25 GMT -5
Mets traded for Huascar Brazoban This is the trade I wish Craig made the most. Seems like the cost wouldn’t have prohibitive at all.
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Post by dirtywaterinla on Jul 30, 2024 16:53:32 GMT -5
Orioles acquiring Eloy Jimenez from the White Sox. The O's are lighting up the deadline. This one I don’t quite get. Don’t the O’s have enough OF/DH types?
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Post by vermontsox1 on Jul 30, 2024 16:53:43 GMT -5
Crochet not being traded, per Rosenthal.
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Post by alexcorahomevideo on Jul 30, 2024 16:54:30 GMT -5
The O's are lighting up the deadline. This one I don’t quite get. Don’t the O’s have enough OF/DH types? Kind of wish the Sox got him over Jansen to be honest. He has major potential if he can ever be unlocked.
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Post by Legion of Bloom on Jul 30, 2024 16:54:39 GMT -5
What a lackluster trading deadline for us.
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shagworthy
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Post by shagworthy on Jul 30, 2024 16:55:10 GMT -5
Crochet not being traded, per Rosenthal. He has to be the new face for how to tank your own market.
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Post by chr31ter on Jul 30, 2024 16:55:46 GMT -5
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Post by alexcorahomevideo on Jul 30, 2024 16:56:52 GMT -5
What a lackluster trading deadline for us. Nothing really new. Actually a good deadline in comparison to the previous two years. But yeah they did probably less than their competitors. Is what it is. I still don’t get the Jansen deal even though they didn’t give up a ton and I like the Priester trade.
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