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Post by alexcorahomevideo on Jun 9, 2024 13:25:17 GMT -5
Probably pass on Robert. You're buying into a 3-4 year window then he's gone, same with Crochet. Not to mention, the prospect package. Sox are terrible at keeping their own free agents. I'd pass unless they're willing to commit to having a decent product on the field. As for buying and selling, it really has hurt this team the last two years, lets not go for a third. So many folks still stewing over the trade deadline that got them McGuire, Valdez, and Abreu because the team didn't also give up on the 2022 season in the process. While I realize Edward Cabrera is having some issues currently, you're happy they didn't pull the trigger on that deal for Turner? I don't think anyone is mad they traded Vazquez at all and that return was solid for him. They got McGuire, in part because they needed a body to replace Vazquez. That's not exactly buying. But I'm not sure it was necessary to acquire Tommy Pham and it cost themselves compensation for Xander by going over the tax. I'm frustrated that they allowed Turner, Eovaldi, JDM, and Xander to walk for nothing. Had they traded those guys, they might be in a better situation and not starting Zack Kelly today. Nothing against him, but they would be in a better spot as an organization.
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Post by alexcorahomevideo on Jun 9, 2024 13:28:13 GMT -5
Probably pass on Robert. You're buying into a 3-4 year window then he's gone, same with Crochet. Not to mention, the prospect package. Sox are terrible at keeping their own free agents. I'd pass unless they're willing to commit to having a decent product on the field. As for buying and selling, it really has hurt this team the last two years, lets not go for a third. I was thinking Luis Robert in a deal for Rafaela works if Bleis is ready to take over when Robert leaves as a free agent. I'm not sure how that timeline works or even if Bleis develops as hoped for so this is not an endorsement of a deal of Rafaela plus deal for Robert but rather more of a thought exercise. Whats the point of trading a guy like Rafaela who they've identified as part of their core for a guy who won't be retained when he reaches FA? They aren't there yet, not even close.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Jun 9, 2024 13:30:30 GMT -5
So who had Dom Smith batting clean up in a 2024 Red Sox game? Or being on the roster at all?
I'm not sure there has been a Red Sox team so decimated by injuries, resulting in a line up such as today.
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Post by incandenza on Jun 9, 2024 13:32:32 GMT -5
So many folks still stewing over the trade deadline that got them McGuire, Valdez, and Abreu because the team didn't also give up on the 2022 season in the process. While I realize Edward Cabrera is having some issues currently, you're happy they didn't pull the trigger on that deal for Turner? I don't think anyone is mad they traded Vazquez at all and that return was solid for him. They got McGuire, in part because they needed a body to replace Vazquez. That's not exactly buying. But I'm not sure it was necessary to acquire Tommy Pham and it cost themselves compensation for Xander by going over the tax. I'm frustrated that they allowed Turner, Eovaldi, JDM, and Xander to walk for nothing. Had they traded those guys, they might be in a better situation and not starting Zack Kelly today. Nothing against him, but they would be in a better spot as an organization. I don't particularly want to have a whole debate over the 2022 deadline yet again, but Turner was on the team in 2023. I thought that was kind of a meh trade deadline, whereas 2022 was an exceptionally good one.
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Post by nomar on Jun 9, 2024 13:44:05 GMT -5
Kelly is always an uncomfortable watch but he got the job done. How about they hit the damn ball after a 48 hour vacation in Chicago?
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Post by shagworthy on Jun 9, 2024 13:45:21 GMT -5
I could honestly see a blend of selling and buying at the deadline. I really think it makes a lot of sense to trade for Crochet and/or Robert Jr. if they can be had without one of the big 3. Trading Pivetta, Kenley and O’Neill should make up for whatever is sent to the White Sox in such a scenario. Probably pass on Robert. You're buying into a 3-4 year window then he's gone, same with Crochet. Not to mention, the prospect package. Sox are terrible at keeping their own free agents. I'd pass unless they're willing to commit to having a decent product on the field. As for buying and selling, it really has hurt this team the last two years, lets not go for a third. Robert is oft injured, I'll take a hard pass. We need at least a few players who we can pencil in for most games.
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Post by asm18 on Jun 9, 2024 13:46:28 GMT -5
Zack Kelley’s sweeper is silly
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Post by nomar on Jun 9, 2024 13:50:38 GMT -5
McGuire has a 34 wRC+ since 4/9 and I fear the masturbation jokes have lost their sheen too.
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Post by julyanmorley on Jun 9, 2024 13:51:34 GMT -5
Rafaela swung at three pitches out of the zone with a three ball count. Man that was ugly
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Post by soxfansince67 on Jun 9, 2024 13:52:45 GMT -5
Oh my, this is just tragically sad.
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Post by scottysmalls on Jun 9, 2024 13:54:27 GMT -5
An easy improvement for Rafaela would be to never swing once he gets to three balls in an at bat.
Add: maybe even in full counts until pitchers decide to throw fastballs down the middle then
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Post by julyanmorley on Jun 9, 2024 13:55:22 GMT -5
An easy improvement for Rafaela would be to never swing once he gets to three balls in an at bat. I unironically believe he should not have the green light on 3-1
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Post by manfred on Jun 9, 2024 14:02:39 GMT -5
Could Kelley be stretched as a starter? His stuff has variety.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jun 9, 2024 14:03:10 GMT -5
I was thinking Luis Robert in a deal for Rafaela works if Bleis is ready to take over when Robert leaves as a free agent. I'm not sure how that timeline works or even if Bleis develops as hoped for so this is not an endorsement of a deal of Rafaela plus deal for Robert but rather more of a thought exercise. Whats the point of trading a guy like Rafaela who they've identified as part of their core for a guy who won't be retained when he reaches FA? They aren't there yet, not even close. The point would be to upgrade the offense with a power hitting CF who could fit into the middle of the order during his prime among the lefties in the lineup and not have to overpay to keep him well into his 30s. It could improve the lineu for 2025 - 2027. This provides a bridge to Bleis as long term CF. But of course this could be a dubious assumption. I don't know if his 5 tool talent takes over and he becomes a star or if lack of plate discipline and/or injuries undermine his development. And if course Robert has his own injury history and bb/k ratio although those 38 homers last year show what he can provide when healthy. That's why I said it's more of a thought experiment than an endorsement. I think Rafaela will be JBJ like in CF and will hit better but I don't know if he'll ever really improve his plate discipline either, so he's no slam dunk to be a long term core CF although I suspect he probably is, but again there is some doubt
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Post by soxfansince67 on Jun 9, 2024 14:07:52 GMT -5
This ump is seeing things. Beyond a high strike.
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Post by manfred on Jun 9, 2024 14:10:56 GMT -5
Duran train. 🚂
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Post by shagworthy on Jun 9, 2024 14:13:57 GMT -5
An easy improvement for Rafaela would be to never swing once he gets to three balls in an at bat. I unironically believe he should not have the green light on 3-1 He should have to do pushups and wind sprints every time he does unless it's right down the middle.
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Post by asm18 on Jun 9, 2024 14:14:07 GMT -5
Could Kelley be stretched as a starter? His stuff has variety. Honestly was curious about that - I guess in his pro career Kelley started 13 games in the Angels minor league system when he was 24, but has otherwise been a straight up reliever. I guess it’d be a question of stamina and whether he’d have the command to go 5 innings? (It can get iffy in just 1 or 2.) But he has four nice looking pitches with fastball, sweeper, changeup, cutter.
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Post by shagworthy on Jun 9, 2024 14:18:00 GMT -5
McGuire has a 34 wRC+ since 4/9 and I fear the masturbation jokes have lost their sheen too. Still a fan of the jokes as long as the delivery is good and they aren't retreads, but he has not been good on either side of the ball for a bit. That being said, Catcher as a position is probably low on the totem pole of concerns we have right now, and there aren't many tandems that are inherently better than ours at that position so I feel like the consternation is probably not well placed.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Jun 9, 2024 14:18:25 GMT -5
Good grief....can anybody here play this game?
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Post by nomar on Jun 9, 2024 14:18:32 GMT -5
2 errors instantly after getting the lead. How fun
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Post by shagworthy on Jun 9, 2024 14:18:55 GMT -5
ooof.. Hamilton turning back into a defensive pumpkin.
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Post by asm18 on Jun 9, 2024 14:20:07 GMT -5
WTF
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Post by nomar on Jun 9, 2024 14:20:07 GMT -5
3*
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Post by soxfansince67 on Jun 9, 2024 14:20:15 GMT -5
Now here I am giggling uncontrollably to myself again during a 2024 Red Sox game.
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