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6/6-6/9 Red Sox @ White Sox Series Thread
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Post by rhswanzey on Jun 7, 2024 0:13:21 GMT -5
Everyone in the starting lineup had a hit before it became an official game
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Post by DesignatedForAssignment on Jun 7, 2024 0:38:05 GMT -5
Everyone in the starting lineup had a hit before it became an official game Worcester had 8 of 9 starters with hit, so they almost pulled off the feat They scored in 7 of 8 innings
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Post by asm18 on Jun 7, 2024 6:59:59 GMT -5
Player A: 8.45 K/9, 2.06 BB/9, 1.03 HR/9. 3.92 ERA, 3.50 xERA, 3.57 FIP
Player B: 8.22 K/9, 3.02 B/9, 1.34 HR/9. 4.36 ERA, 4.03 xERA, 4.42 FIP
Player B is Brayan Bello.
Player A is… tonight’s starter.
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Post by jimmydugan on Jun 7, 2024 7:40:28 GMT -5
Player A: 8.45 K/9, 2.06 BB/9, 1.03 HR/9. 3.92 ERA, 3.50 xERA, 3.57 FIP Player B: 8.22 K/9, 3.02 B/9, 1.34 HR/9. 4.36 ERA, 4.03 xERA, 4.42 FIP Player B is Brayan Bello. Player A is… tonight’s starter. It’s worth mentioning that Criswell is averaging about 4 1/2 innings per start and going through the lineup twice and Bello is averaging about another inning per start and going through the heart of the lineup 3x though.
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Post by Oregon Norm on Jun 7, 2024 7:56:25 GMT -5
Big game for the sub-replacement level guys - Smith, Rafaela, and Valdez all clawing their way back to 0 WAR. Even Bobby D got his wRC+ into double digits. BR has Rafaela nearing 1 win.
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Post by scottysmalls on Jun 7, 2024 8:18:08 GMT -5
Big game for the sub-replacement level guys - Smith, Rafaela, and Valdez all clawing their way back to 0 WAR. Even Bobby D got his wRC+ into double digits. BR has Rafaela nearing 1 win. Is there any good argument for using BR over FG for infielders when OAA seems like a clearly better defensive metric? Statcast’s base running metric which FG uses also seems clearly superior to the BR method. The best I can come up with is neither defensive metric is perfect so it’s valid to reference both to get some kind of range, but I’m not sure that’s a great case.
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Post by incandenza on Jun 7, 2024 8:28:45 GMT -5
The Red Sox now have the 5th best run differential in the AL. Their x-W/L is 36-27; they're undershooting that by 4 wins, the biggest gap in the majors.
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Post by Oregon Norm on Jun 7, 2024 8:58:15 GMT -5
BR has Rafaela nearing 1 win. Is there any good argument for using BR over FG for infielders when OAA seems like a clearly better defensive metric? Statcast’s base running metric which FG uses also seems clearly superior to the BR method. The best I can come up with is neither defensive metric is perfect so it’s valid to reference both to get some kind of range, but I’m not sure that’s a great case. Pointing out the difference really. It's important from the player's and team perspective. By BR he's already made his salary. By Fangraphs he's been worth nothing.
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Post by asm18 on Jun 7, 2024 9:14:31 GMT -5
The Red Sox now have the 5th best run differential in the AL. Their x-W/L is 36-27; they're undershooting that by 4 wins, the biggest gap in the majors.
So you’re saying we should trade everyone and fire Cora? (On a serious note, their record as is with all the injuries and bad luck has been commendable. The fact that their underlying performance despite that is even better is all the more impressive.)
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Post by incandenza on Jun 7, 2024 9:22:00 GMT -5
The Red Sox now have the 5th best run differential in the AL. Their x-W/L is 36-27; they're undershooting that by 4 wins, the biggest gap in the majors.
So you’re saying we should trade everyone and fire Cora? (On a serious note, their record as is with all the injuries and bad luck has been commendable. The fact that their underlying performance despite that is even better is all the more impressive.) I'm sticking with my narrative about this team: they're having a massive breakout with their young talent that would be one of the biggest stories in baseball, except that it is being masked by every single other thing going totally wrong. They are way closer to being a really good team than anyone in the media realizes.
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Post by scottysmalls on Jun 7, 2024 9:49:13 GMT -5
So you’re saying we should trade everyone and fire Cora? (On a serious note, their record as is with all the injuries and bad luck has been commendable. The fact that their underlying performance despite that is even better is all the more impressive.) I'm sticking with my narrative about this team: they're having a massive breakout with their young talent that would be one of the biggest stories in baseball, except that it is being masked by every single other thing going totally wrong. They are way closer to being a really good team than anyone in the media realizes.
The two most popular offseason trade candidates in Houck and Duran (other than maybe Jansen) being the teams two best players and two of the best players in baseball is fun. Houck in particular feels like he should be a bigger story, being the best pitcher in the league and all
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Jun 7, 2024 9:53:06 GMT -5
I was wondering if any of you fellas could type out the name of the GM who drafted Tanner Houck (a/k/a, God's right arm) ?
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Post by manfred on Jun 7, 2024 10:01:56 GMT -5
I was wondering if any of you fellas could type out the name of the GM who drafted Tanner Houck (a/k/a, God's right arm) ? “He who left us with no system”? (Except Houck, Duran, Rafaela, Crawford, Casas…)
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Post by scottysmalls on Jun 7, 2024 10:21:28 GMT -5
I was wondering if any of you fellas could type out the name of the GM who drafted Tanner Houck (a/k/a, God's right arm) ? “He who left us with no system”? (Except Houck, Duran, Rafaela, Crawford, Casas…) This complaint was specific to how it affected Bloom's tenure. Note that not one of those players was meaningfully valuable while Bloom was here. That was always the issue, a total dearth of cost controlled talent for those years.
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Post by incandenza on Jun 7, 2024 10:38:03 GMT -5
A fun thing I think about sometimes is that there was this emerging narrative in July of 2023 that the team's long-term vision was coming into place - that the long project of re-building the farm system was starting to bear fruit (Casas, Bello, Duran, Wong, Crawford, Houck, Whitlock...) and the contours of a competitive roster were starting to emerge. Then the team had a lackluster few weeks, Bloom got fired, everyone decided that the offseason depended entirely on whether they signed Jordan Montgomery, the owners pulled back on spending, and not one single person in the media happened to notice that the team had a decent or better young cost-controlled or extended player at literally every position and most of the starting rotation and bullpen.
Cut to 2024 and we're really just picking up where things left off in July 2023 - except, again, no one is noticing because everything else has gone wrong.
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Post by dirtywaterinla on Jun 7, 2024 11:08:01 GMT -5
By the way, I think it’s finally time to admit I’m off the island of Hamilton hate. I’m really impressed by the strides he’s made the last couple of weeks on both sides of the ball.
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Post by itinerantherb on Jun 7, 2024 11:30:17 GMT -5
The Red Sox now have the 5th best run differential in the AL. Their x-W/L is 36-27; they're undershooting that by 4 wins, the biggest gap in the majors.
With the obvious caveats about run differential as a measure of a team's strength (e.g., last night's blowout and the 17-0 stomping of the Cubs account for 75% of the RD), this is why I'm still hopeful about the 3rd wildcard. With absolutely horrible injury luck and several sub-replacement performances, they're 1.5 games out.
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Post by asm18 on Jun 7, 2024 11:30:46 GMT -5
I forget what beat writer said it, but someone had asked Ryan Braiser about the Netflix stuff with the Red Sox and asked who of his former teammates would hate it the most, and apparently he immediately said Chris Martin. Really hope the Netflix producers aren’t a-holes the way this gets edited
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Post by gerry on Jun 7, 2024 11:37:29 GMT -5
A fun thing I think about sometimes is that there was this emerging narrative in July of 2023 that the team's long-term vision was coming into place - that the long project of re-building the farm system was starting to bear fruit (Casas, Bello, Duran, Wong, Crawford, Houck, Whitlock...) and the contours of a competitive roster were starting to emerge. Then the team had a lackluster few weeks, Bloom got fired, everyone decided that the offseason depended entirely on whether they signed Jordan Montgomery, the owners pulled back on spending, and not one single person in the media happened to notice that the team had a decent or better young cost-controlled or extended player at literally every position and most of the starting rotation and bullpen. Cut to 2024 and we're really just picking up where things left off in July 2023 - except, again, no one is noticing because everything else has gone wrong. And few or any thought the rotation without Yamamoto, Montgomery, Giolito, Whitlock would be among baseball’s best. Or that an OF of Duran, Rafaella, Abreu, O’Neill, Ref would also be among baseball’s best. Or that playing games with 14 guys on the IL and 5-6 rookies at the same time could possibly still be above .500 and a wild card in reach. Impressive
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Post by incandenza on Jun 7, 2024 11:48:43 GMT -5
Also from that Globe article tweeted above: sounds like Yoshida is fairly close. Get his non-strikeout-prone ass back in the lineup. The Garrett Cooper experience has been much less enjoyable than anticipated.
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Post by manfred on Jun 7, 2024 11:54:13 GMT -5
A fun thing I think about sometimes is that there was this emerging narrative in July of 2023 that the team's long-term vision was coming into place - that the long project of re-building the farm system was starting to bear fruit (Casas, Bello, Duran, Wong, Crawford, Houck, Whitlock...) and the contours of a competitive roster were starting to emerge. Then the team had a lackluster few weeks, Bloom got fired, everyone decided that the offseason depended entirely on whether they signed Jordan Montgomery, the owners pulled back on spending, and not one single person in the media happened to notice that the team had a decent or better young cost-controlled or extended player at literally every position and most of the starting rotation and bullpen. Cut to 2024 and we're really just picking up where things left off in July 2023 - except, again, no one is noticing because everything else has gone wrong. And few or any thought the rotation without Yamamoto, Montgomery, Giolito, Whitlock would be among baseball’s best. Or that an OF of Duran, Rafaella, Abreu, O’Neill, Ref would also be among baseball’s best. Or that playing games with 14 guys on the IL and 5-6 rookies at the same time could possibly still be above .500 and a wild card in reach. Impressive I’m not rejecting the premise, but it might be early to say people were wrong to call for Montgomery. Whitlock is done for the year. Crawford might be coming back to earth. Bello has been mildly disappointing. The fact that they *are* decent might suggest the boost would have been great. As for the OF, it has definitely exceeded most of our wildest dreams, but maybe O’Neil was a bigger acquisition than expected? That is… maybe that *was* a big move? He had shown signs of being a really good player. It was hardly a dumpster dive. Abreu is the player who has most surprised me. I thought he was ok, a fourth OF type. Instead, he’s more like a higher tier OF. If the Sox still had Verdugo, I’m not sure I’d play him ahead of the guys they have.
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Post by grandsalami on Jun 7, 2024 11:58:01 GMT -5
And few or any thought the rotation without Yamamoto, Montgomery, Giolito, Whitlock would be among baseball’s best. Or that an OF of Duran, Rafaella, Abreu, O’Neill, Ref would also be among baseball’s best. Or that playing games with 14 guys on the IL and 5-6 rookies at the same time could possibly still be above .500 and a wild card in reach. Impressive I’m not rejecting the premise, but it might be early to say people were wrong to call for Montgomery. Whitlock is done for the year. Crawford might be coming back to earth. Bello has been mildly disappointing. The fact that they *are* decent might suggest the boost would have been great. As for the OF, it has definitely exceeded most of our wildest dreams, but maybe O’Neil was a bigger acquisition than expected? That is… maybe that *was* a big move? He had shown signs of being a really good player. It was hardly a dumpster dive. Abreu is the player who has most surprised me. I thought he was ok, a fourth OF type. Instead, he’s more like a higher tier OF. If the Sox still had Verdugo, I’m not sure I’d play him ahead of the guys they have. I think the thing is (and this season so far has shown) is that pitchers are a ticking timebomb.... It does not matter if you are considered a workhorse (as is the case with Giolito).... Spending large $$$$$$$$$ on pitching is like playing Russian roulette.... Yes, younger pitchers are getting injured too, but at least if they do get injured they do not screw the team financially in the way that high $$$ FA SP do... (HI Snell)
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Post by manfred on Jun 7, 2024 12:09:01 GMT -5
I’m not rejecting the premise, but it might be early to say people were wrong to call for Montgomery. Whitlock is done for the year. Crawford might be coming back to earth. Bello has been mildly disappointing. The fact that they *are* decent might suggest the boost would have been great. As for the OF, it has definitely exceeded most of our wildest dreams, but maybe O’Neil was a bigger acquisition than expected? That is… maybe that *was* a big move? He had shown signs of being a really good player. It was hardly a dumpster dive. Abreu is the player who has most surprised me. I thought he was ok, a fourth OF type. Instead, he’s more like a higher tier OF. If the Sox still had Verdugo, I’m not sure I’d play him ahead of the guys they have. I think the thing is (and this season so far has shown) is that pitchers are a ticking timebomb.... It does not matter if you are considered a workhorse (as is the case with Giolito).... Spending large $$$$$$$$$ on pitching is like playing Russian roulette.... Yes, younger pitchers are getting injured too, but at least if they do get injured they do not screw the team financially in the way that high $$$ FA SP do... (HI Snell) True. But Montgomery signed a deal the Sox could easily have matched. I’m not complaining, don’t get me wrong. I’m merely saying the season is young, so it is too early to decide if off-season moves have worked out.
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Post by incandenza on Jun 7, 2024 12:17:30 GMT -5
And few or any thought the rotation without Yamamoto, Montgomery, Giolito, Whitlock would be among baseball’s best. Or that an OF of Duran, Rafaella, Abreu, O’Neill, Ref would also be among baseball’s best. Or that playing games with 14 guys on the IL and 5-6 rookies at the same time could possibly still be above .500 and a wild card in reach. Impressive I’m not rejecting the premise, but it might be early to say people were wrong to call for Montgomery. Whitlock is done for the year. Crawford might be coming back to earth. Bello has been mildly disappointing. The fact that they *are* decent might suggest the boost would have been great. As for the OF, it has definitely exceeded most of our wildest dreams, but maybe O’Neil was a bigger acquisition than expected? That is… maybe that *was* a big move? He had shown signs of being a really good player. It was hardly a dumpster dive. Abreu is the player who has most surprised me. I thought he was ok, a fourth OF type. Instead, he’s more like a higher tier OF. If the Sox still had Verdugo, I’m not sure I’d play him ahead of the guys they have. I agree with you in principle. But if Criswell continues to be better than Montgomery or most of the other available FAs this season it'll be hard to keep up the complaint. (On the other hand if they suffer another significant injury to the rotation and we get treated to a bunch of Anderson/Winckowski starts - back to complaining!)
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Jun 7, 2024 12:25:17 GMT -5
“He who left us with no system”? (Except Houck, Duran, Rafaela, Crawford, Casas…) This complaint was specific to how it affected Bloom's tenure. Note that not one of those players was meaningfully valuable while Bloom was here. That was always the issue, a total dearth of cost controlled talent for those years. I was just having some fun, and I think this is a fair point. But the complaint was much more than that, and in the end, CB didn't have a development machine in place that would appear to have been very helpful to players like him reaching his ceiling. Drafting is only a portion of getting someone to The Show. Credit to Breslow for that in this case, although, I don't think even he could have envisioned what Houck has become. I digress.....not a one typed it. LOL.
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