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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Jun 7, 2024 12:32:46 GMT -5
If Yourshitter takes at-bats away from anyone not named Cooper, I am not sure that is a good thing.
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Post by puzzler on Jun 7, 2024 12:33:15 GMT -5
I think the thing is (and this season so far has shown) is that pitchers are a ticking timebomb.... It does not matter if you are considered a workhorse (as is the case with Giolito).... Spending large $$$$$$$$$ on pitching is like playing Russian roulette.... Yes, younger pitchers are getting injured too, but at least if they do get injured they do not screw the team financially in the way that high $$$ FA SP do... (HI Snell) True. But Montgomery signed a deal the Sox could easily have matched. I’m not complaining, don’t get me wrong. I’m merely saying the season is young, so it is too early to decide if off-season moves have worked out. I agree in principle that the season is young and not written, but I disagree, I think it's pretty safe to say that signing Montgomery would have been a huge mistake for a bunch of reasons.
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Post by cmax on Jun 7, 2024 12:34:06 GMT -5
By the way, I think it’s finally time to admit I’m off the island of Hamilton hate. I’m really impressed by the strides he’s made the last couple of weeks on both sides of the ball. Appreciate this as you were perhaps the loudest and harshest hater of Hamilton here when I was supporting him in April. Hope he can keep putting it together as his base running can be a game changing asset. Despite being one of Hamilton's biggest champions on here earlier this year, I'm also pleasantly surprised by how quickly he has emerged as one of the top performers on the team over the past 45 days.
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Post by itinerantherb on Jun 7, 2024 12:59:30 GMT -5
If Yourshitter takes at-bats away from anyone not named Cooper, I am not sure that is a good thing. I've been looking forward to him coming back, but asking whose bat he displaces seems like a good exercise. Here are all the players who have started more than one game at DH:
Valdez: 2 Devers: 5 O'Neill: 9 Refsnyder: 8 Smith: 4 Cooper: 8
At this point, you probably wouldn't choose Yoshida's bat over Valdez against RHP. Maybe you play him over O'Neill against RHP, though O'Neill still hits righties pretty well. Refsnyder historically has had a pretty big platoon split but this year he's actually hitting RHP better (though it's only in 68 PA, so who knows?).
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Post by orion09 on Jun 7, 2024 13:04:40 GMT -5
I forget what beat writer said it, but someone had asked Ryan Braiser about the Netflix stuff with the Red Sox and asked who of his former teammates would hate it the most, and apparently he immediately said Chris Martin. Really hope the Netflix producers aren’t a-holes the way this gets edited Interesting, that maybe puts the anxiety thing in perspective. I did think it was notable that he had to take leave for mental health reasons. Obviously I’m supportive, but I just found it interesting that it was a 38-yo grizzled reliever.
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Post by greenmonster on Jun 7, 2024 13:05:08 GMT -5
Could always pinch hit Yoshida in situations where you need a 4-3 groundout
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Post by orion09 on Jun 7, 2024 13:20:17 GMT -5
“He who left us with no system”? (Except Houck, Duran, Rafaela, Crawford, Casas…) This complaint was specific to how it affected Bloom's tenure. Note that not one of those players was meaningfully valuable while Bloom was here. That was always the issue, a total dearth of cost controlled talent for those years. I was thinking about this today. Bloom’s trade record looks pretty good in hindsight. Abreu and Pivetta were huge wins, and Valdez, McGuire, and Hamilton look solid. Even Wong looks great, though not in context obviously. None of the players he traded away look bad now (Betts aside). It’s a shame they couldn’t have kept him on as Assistant GM or something. Good at trades, but his skills as putting together development infrastructure were lacking. Side note: I looked to see how Khalil Lee was doing, and he’s out of baseball. Benintendi, of course, has -1.6 fWAR. Winckowski is by far the best player standing. What a cursed trade.
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Post by asm18 on Jun 7, 2024 13:27:02 GMT -5
Yoshida was hitting .275 before going on the IL despite a screwed up thumb beginning in mid-April - I would to have imagine that average would be even higher if healthy
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Post by bosoxnation on Jun 7, 2024 14:55:56 GMT -5
Yoshida was hitting .275 before going on the IL despite a screwed up thumb beginning in mid-April - I would to have imagine that average would be even higher if healthy FACTS. Whats with all the hate? Its sad to see someone whos an above avg player get hated on so much. People will stand behind some of the worst players on the team but hate on Yoshida. Is it because we paid him? Is it because he didn't get us Yamamoto? I need answers lol
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Post by manfred on Jun 7, 2024 15:09:53 GMT -5
Yoshida was hitting .275 before going on the IL despite a screwed up thumb beginning in mid-April - I would to have imagine that average would be even higher if healthy FACTS. Whats with all the hate? Its sad to see someone whos an above avg player get hated on so much. People will stand behind some of the worst players on the team but hate on Yoshida. Is it because we paid him? Is it because he didn't get us Yamamoto? I need answers lol Is he above average? He can’t play the field. My guess: he got a not-inconsequential contract, has not been as good as expected? And because he *has* to DH, it creates a domino effect in roster planning?
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Post by melvinhoggs on Jun 7, 2024 15:12:07 GMT -5
Yoshida was hitting .275 before going on the IL despite a screwed up thumb beginning in mid-April - I would to have imagine that average would be even higher if healthy FACTS. Whats with all the hate? Its sad to see someone whos an above avg player get hated on so much. People will stand behind some of the worst players on the team but hate on Yoshida. Is it because we paid him? Is it because he didn't get us Yamamoto? I need answers lol I don't think it's really hard to see why, even if he's a far cry from "the worst player on the team". He has not been an average player, he's been a very slightly above average hitter while being a negative (sometimes very strongly so) in all other aspects. And yes, the contract has something to do with it – DHs that hit like Yoshida get single-digit single-year contracts or sometimes not signed until after spring training at all, not 5/$90M. Anyone pretending that Yoshida is as big a drag on the team as someone like Kiké was last year is suffering from horrible recency bias, but Yoshida literally hasn't done anything well except hit for average – and even that, he's only done "okay" in the MLB so far.
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Post by scottysmalls on Jun 7, 2024 15:20:14 GMT -5
I think people need to be able to hold two thoughts in their head at once with Yoshida: 1) he has not been good and hasn’t lived up to his contract 2) he’s still probably a pretty good hitter (with some upside on that) and should help the lineup
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Post by julyanmorley on Jun 7, 2024 15:33:29 GMT -5
Yoshida is gonna be the second best hitter on the roster when he returns
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Post by manfred on Jun 7, 2024 15:41:58 GMT -5
Yoshida is gonna be the second best hitter on the roster when he returns It is funny you say that… I was thinking Dom is the only guy in Wednesday’s lineup I would play him ahead of. And I guess that puts Ref at 1st?
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Post by soxin8 on Jun 7, 2024 15:42:31 GMT -5
Duran cf Ref lf Wong c Devers 3rd TON rf Westbr 2nd Cooper dh Dalbec 1b Cedd ss
7 rh to start but Crochet is only giving up a 605 ops even to them.
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Post by Soxfansince1971 on Jun 7, 2024 16:13:51 GMT -5
“He who left us with no system”? (Except Houck, Duran, Rafaela, Crawford, Casas…) This complaint was specific to how it affected Bloom's tenure. Note that not one of those players was meaningfully valuable while Bloom was here. That was always the issue, a total dearth of cost controlled talent for those years. Scottysmalls, you are 100% correct on the basis of the DD vs. Bloom discussion. Bloom inherited a 26-man roster of non-‘next great Red Sox team core players’. Bloom was hired to dispose of 2018 WS players, and when that was nearly complete, he was let go….and I am glad he was as Yoshida and Story was his blunders…(not unlike Cherington and his Sandoval, Hanley, Rusney, Craig…).
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Post by Soxfansince1971 on Jun 7, 2024 16:14:50 GMT -5
I was wondering if any of you fellas could type out the name of the GM who drafted Tanner Houck (a/k/a, God's right arm) ? “He who left us with no system”? (Except Houck, Duran, Rafaela, Crawford, Casas…) Manfred 1.0
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Post by Soxfansince1971 on Jun 7, 2024 16:24:34 GMT -5
And few or any thought the rotation without Yamamoto, Montgomery, Giolito, Whitlock would be among baseball’s best. Or that an OF of Duran, Rafaella, Abreu, O’Neill, Ref would also be among baseball’s best. Or that playing games with 14 guys on the IL and 5-6 rookies at the same time could possibly still be above .500 and a wild card in reach. Impressive I’m not rejecting the premise, but it might be early to say people were wrong to call for Montgomery. Whitlock is done for the year. Crawford might be coming back to earth. Bello has been mildly disappointing. The fact that they *are* decent might suggest the boost would have been great. As for the OF, it has definitely exceeded most of our wildest dreams, but maybe O’Neil was a bigger acquisition than expected? That is… maybe that *was* a big move? He had shown signs of being a really good player. It was hardly a dumpster dive. Abreu is the player who has most surprised me. I thought he was ok, a fourth OF type. Instead, he’s more like a higher tier OF. If the Sox still had Verdugo, I’m not sure I’d play him ahead of the guys they have. Totally correct!
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Post by incandenza on Jun 7, 2024 16:30:27 GMT -5
I think people need to be able to hold two thoughts in their head at once with Yoshida: 1) he has not been good and hasn’t lived up to his contract 2) he’s still probably a pretty good hitter (with some upside on that) and should help the lineup And 3) we still don't know what his ceiling is as a hitter but there are signs that he might be really good.
People aren't at least intrigued by what the guy who had a 150 wRC+ over half a season last year - and 175 over his last 10 games before getting hurt this year - might have in the tank?
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Post by pappyman99 on Jun 7, 2024 17:00:47 GMT -5
I think people need to be able to hold two thoughts in their head at once with Yoshida: 1) he has not been good and hasn’t lived up to his contract 2) he’s still probably a pretty good hitter (with some upside on that) and should help the lineup And 3) we still don't know what his ceiling is as a hitter but there are signs that he might be really good.
People aren't at least intrigued by what the guy who had a 150 wRC+ over half a season last year - and 175 over his last 10 games before getting hurt this year - might have in the tank?
Not when his 669 career PAs encompasses both of those Items and is a much more meaningful sample size which comes out to a 109 wRC+ for a DH He isn’t terrible but he is a really bad contract in my opinion
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Post by cdj on Jun 7, 2024 17:07:01 GMT -5
Crochet over 7.5 K’s, Refsnyder over 0.5 hits +150
Lets rock
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Post by grandsalami on Jun 7, 2024 17:13:49 GMT -5
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Post by incandenza on Jun 7, 2024 17:27:51 GMT -5
And 3) we still don't know what his ceiling is as a hitter but there are signs that he might be really good.
People aren't at least intrigued by what the guy who had a 150 wRC+ over half a season last year - and 175 over his last 10 games before getting hurt this year - might have in the tank?
Not when his 669 career PAs encompasses both of those Items and is a much more meaningful sample size which comes out to a 109 wRC+ for a DH He isn’t terrible but he is a really bad contract in my opinion I get being skeptical. I don't understand not even being interested to see if he might consistently be the excellent hitter he has looked like for long stretches, when there's a reasonable theory as to why he fell off at the end of last season.
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Post by soxin8 on Jun 7, 2024 18:47:46 GMT -5
Masa rehab tomorrow, Romy Tues per Alex on pregame. Wilyer's ankle feeling better.
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Post by seamus on Jun 7, 2024 19:12:19 GMT -5
From the start of his breakout series in Milwaukee in late April through the end of July, Masa had a .324/.375/.518/.893 line with the expected stats to back it up. That's a terrific hitter, and he did that after being the best hitter in Japan for years. I dunno, it seems reasonable to say that while the contract hasn't been a success so far, there's a reasonable chance that he can post an .800 OPS (which would rank top 20 in the AL). That seems like a good addition to the lineup.
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