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Post by bluechip on Jul 15, 2024 20:34:24 GMT -5
When was the last time (excluding 2020) that the Red Sox didn’t take a senior in the first ten rounds? Edit: it looks like that was 2011, when many teams had not adopted the strategy of senior signings. Unranked Mookie Betts was also hilarious If you think that’s funny, when he first showed up, suddenly, on some of the national rankings, the discussion around here would also make you laugh.
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Post by julyanmorley on Jul 15, 2024 20:34:41 GMT -5
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Post by johnsilver52 on Jul 15, 2024 20:43:37 GMT -5
Unranked Mookie Betts was also hilarious If you think that’s funny, when he first showed up, suddenly, on some of the national rankings, the discussion around here would also make you laugh. Went into detail regarding this at another site.. ways to stop it etc.. Anyway.. 2012 players negotiated away and gave into so called "hard slotting". Many things changed draft wise 2012 and beyond. some small, some bigger.
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Post by cdj on Jul 15, 2024 21:26:13 GMT -5
If you think that’s funny, when he first showed up, suddenly, on some of the national rankings, the discussion around here would also make you laugh. Went into detail regarding this at another site.. ways to stop it etc.. Anyway.. 2012 players negotiated away and gave into so called "hard slotting". Many things changed draft wise 2012 and beyond. some small, some bigger. Mad we didn’t sign NFL CB Senquez Golson, ended up having to settle
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Post by incandenza on Jul 15, 2024 21:36:48 GMT -5
A radical departure from 2023, when they took 6 pitchers in their first 10 picks.
Or 2022, when they took 6 pitchers in their first 10 picks.
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Post by bentossaurus on Jul 15, 2024 22:14:30 GMT -5
Other teams to take one or fewer HS players: - Orioles - Yankees (0) - Rockies (0) - Astros (0) - Royals - Angels - Twins - Mets - Nationals - Blue Jays - Rangers - Cardinals (0) - Mariners - Giants (0) That doesn't feel normal. The 2027 draft is gonna be lit!
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Post by pappyman99 on Jul 15, 2024 22:19:17 GMT -5
A radical departure from 2023, when they took 6 pitchers in their first 10 picks.
Or 2022, when they took 6 pitchers in their first 10 picks.
I mean not one pitcher in the top 3 picks (the most meaningful ones on paper) the last 3 drafts. 2 drafted in the top 3 this year Seems materially different in approach
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Post by bentossaurus on Jul 15, 2024 22:23:45 GMT -5
A radical departure from 2023, when they took 6 pitchers in their first 10 picks. Or 2022, when they took 6 pitchers in their first 10 picks.
I mean not one pitcher in the top 3 picks (the most meaningful ones on paper) the last 3 drafts. 2 drafted in the top 3 this year Seems materially different in approach Post hoc ergo propter hoc.
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Post by pappyman99 on Jul 15, 2024 22:28:35 GMT -5
I mean not one pitcher in the top 3 picks (the most meaningful ones on paper) the last 3 drafts. 2 drafted in the top 3 this year Seems materially different in approach Post hoc ergo propter hoc. Not really, not saying anything was caused by a a previous event
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Post by julyanmorley on Jul 15, 2024 22:37:25 GMT -5
A radical departure from 2023, when they took 6 pitchers in their first 10 picks.
Or 2022, when they took 6 pitchers in their first 10 picks.
Eh, by my count they're spending about 3.5 million of their bonus pool on pitchers this year (not counting Cason), which is right around the sum total of the four Chaim drafts.
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Post by incandenza on Jul 15, 2024 22:42:37 GMT -5
A radical departure from 2023, when they took 6 pitchers in their first 10 picks.
Or 2022, when they took 6 pitchers in their first 10 picks.
Eh, by my count they're spending about 3.5 million of their bonus pool on pitchers this year (not counting Cason), which is right around the sum total of the four Chaim drafts. "2 of the top 3" and "4 of the top 6" are mildly notable, I agree. It's just funny that Milliken's "6 of the top 10" is the least illustrative stat he could have chosen.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jul 15, 2024 23:42:11 GMT -5
When was the last time (excluding 2020) that the Red Sox didn’t take a senior in the first ten rounds? Edit: it looks like that was 2011, when many teams had not adopted the strategy of senior signings. It wasn't that they hadn't adopted it, it was that there was no need. The cap system didn't come in until the next year, as noted already. The aforementioned Golson was at Fenway with a metaphorical bag of $1m cash on the table that was his if he wanted it and wouldn't have affected anyone else, but he chose football. As for this draft class, ťhe bonus situation feels a lot like 2021, when they only took 1 Day 2 senior and we all wound up way off on pretty much everyone's bonus.
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Post by bluechip on Jul 16, 2024 3:47:30 GMT -5
When was the last time (excluding 2020) that the Red Sox didn’t take a senior in the first ten rounds? Edit: it looks like that was 2011, when many teams had not adopted the strategy of senior signings. It wasn't that they hadn't adopted it, it was that there was no need. The cap system didn't come in until the next year, as noted already. The aforementioned Golson was at Fenway with a metaphorical bag of $1m cash on the table that was his if he wanted it and wouldn't have affected anyone else, but he chose football. As for this draft class, ťhe bonus situation feels a lot like 2021, when they only took 1 Day 2 senior and we all wound up way off on pretty much everyone's bonus. Was 2012 the first year of the cap? I could not recall when posting last night. It’s been a while (obviously-haha).
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Post by alnipper on Jul 16, 2024 9:52:49 GMT -5
If the Sox sign all their first 10 round picks in this weaker draft I'll consider a great draft. Great in the sense of a weaker draft. Now let the Sox coach these young men up!
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jul 16, 2024 9:56:23 GMT -5
It wasn't that they hadn't adopted it, it was that there was no need. The cap system didn't come in until the next year, as noted already. The aforementioned Golson was at Fenway with a metaphorical bag of $1m cash on the table that was his if he wanted it and wouldn't have affected anyone else, but he chose football. As for this draft class, ťhe bonus situation feels a lot like 2021, when they only took 1 Day 2 senior and we all wound up way off on pretty much everyone's bonus. Was 2012 the first year of the cap? I could not recall when posting last night. It’s been a while (obviously-haha). Yup. Note that you can see bonus cap information on the Draft History pages here on the site. www.soxprospects.com/dh2012.htm
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Post by scorpionix on Jul 16, 2024 10:15:27 GMT -5
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jul 16, 2024 10:25:01 GMT -5
Guys do that every year. They're excited to be drafted, etc. It might mean they agreed to terms or he's definitely signing, but it's not something that makes it a certainty at all.
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Post by adamgregory81 on Jul 16, 2024 12:01:34 GMT -5
Guys do that every year. They're excited to be drafted, etc. It might mean they agreed to terms or he's definitely signing, but it's not something that makes it a certainty at all. Looks like that post has since been deleted, should we make something of that?
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Post by cdj on Jul 16, 2024 12:27:24 GMT -5
Cason was 2nd at the combine in 95+ mph balls hit with a 15+ degree launch
He’s gonna be a lot of fun to follow
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Post by scottysmalls on Jul 16, 2024 12:31:01 GMT -5
Very excited about Cason, I badly want a two way player to work out for the Sox (I know this is only a tiny chance even with him beginning his career this way).
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jul 16, 2024 12:44:32 GMT -5
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Post by jbuttah on Jul 16, 2024 12:51:45 GMT -5
That's a pretty swing.
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Post by cdj on Jul 16, 2024 12:56:40 GMT -5
Super simple. Would be pretty sick if he somehow makes it as a 2 way. Already thinking of a utility player/reliever combo. Getting wayyyyyy ahead of myself lol Looks really easy on the mound too. I think I like him more as a pitcher, seems like he already has a good changeup and feel for spin
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Post by johnsilver52 on Jul 16, 2024 13:02:11 GMT -5
Pre 2012 for several years there was a so called soft slot in place where if a team went over, it needed a sign off by the commish if required, which myself don't remember him ever denying. Nothing more than a small attempt to (maybe) keep down bonus amounts, but didn't think any, which can think of offhand Rule4 draft wise offhand had ever been crazy wild before.
Just quickie recap for any didn't know/remember from earlier days.
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Post by RedSoxStats on Jul 16, 2024 21:47:45 GMT -5
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