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Post by julyanmorley on Jul 16, 2024 18:16:22 GMT -5
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Post by keninten on Jul 16, 2024 18:31:43 GMT -5
Thought a thread might start on this subject but it really could just be a list of pros and cons. One bad GM could ruin a team for years and years. Maybe there would be more trading. The trade speculation would be over the top.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jul 16, 2024 21:23:44 GMT -5
Thought a thread might start on this subject but it really could just be a list of pros and cons. One bad GM could ruin a team for years and years. Maybe there would be more trading. The trade speculation would be over the top. And that's different from now because.....
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Post by keninten on Jul 16, 2024 21:40:42 GMT -5
Thought a thread might start on this subject but it really could just be a list of pros and cons. One bad GM could ruin a team for years and years. Maybe there would be more trading. The trade speculation would be over the top. And that's different from now because..... I actually thought that as I typed it.
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Post by ematz1423 on Jul 16, 2024 21:41:56 GMT -5
My guess in regards to trading draft picks would be that they'd put in an NBA style rule restricting the ability to trade first round picks multiple years in a row.
Either way I think it'd be good to allow the trading of picks. It would make things more interesting even if MLB isn't exactly like the other leagues when it comes to the immediate impact of draft picks.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jul 16, 2024 23:03:35 GMT -5
My guess in regards to trading draft picks would be that they'd put in an NBA style rule restricting the ability to trade first round picks multiple years in a row. Either way I think it'd be good to allow the trading of picks. It would make things more interesting even if MLB isn't exactly like the other leagues when it comes to the immediate impact of draft picks. Actually, a sound reason for allowing it.
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Post by bluechip on Jul 17, 2024 6:50:23 GMT -5
I’m all for it. It seems like something that could accelerate the rebuilding of teams which need to reset. Besides, it will add to the intrigue: if a star is traded for a top draft pick, people will of course discuss who is going to be targeted with that pick.
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Post by alexcorahomevideo on Jul 17, 2024 7:33:26 GMT -5
MLB has done so much to restrict their potential growth of the game. This is just an unnecessary thing to have. They are the only one out of the 4 major sports where you really can’t trade draft picks except for like the competitive balance stuff. It’s pretty annoying and ridiculous.
Baseball takes itself too serious. TWIB and goofy MLB games with player licenses like the Griffey game back in the day.
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Post by Underwater Johnson on Jul 17, 2024 7:46:09 GMT -5
Seems like it could lead to some borderline unwatchable lower minor league rosters for teams in extended win-now windows. Or maybe those teams’ systems would start to fill with more July 2 players?
The biggest functional change would really only be in the fan experience; at the trade deadline, in the off-season, and of course leading up to the draft.
For GMs, they’ll quickly assign dollar values to the different picks, just as they do for prospects, and the picks will just become another form of currency.
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Post by asm18 on Jul 17, 2024 7:59:34 GMT -5
Not sure how I feel about it. I’m not opposed in principle, and I’m sure they’ll have restrictions on what picks can be traded. But if it’s anything like NFL or NBA, you could see MLB team trade say, several future first round picks for a player where a GM’s is just like, “I won’t be around in a few years to make these picks anyway.” Obviously that happens in other sports, but baseball is a different beast when it comes to development time and farm systems.
If Dombrowski had access to this method in 2016-2018, would we be just out of draft picks in the early 2020’s at this point because they’d all be traded?
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Post by jdb on Jul 17, 2024 8:22:50 GMT -5
Curious how this would look? Would they allow every round to be traded? Top 5 only? 10?
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Post by kwodes on Jul 17, 2024 8:36:38 GMT -5
Seems like it could lead to some borderline unwatchable lower minor league rosters for teams in extended win-now windows. Or maybe those teams’ systems would start to fill with more July 2 players? The biggest functional change would really only be in the fan experience; at the trade deadline, in the off-season, and of course leading up to the draft. For GMs, they’ll quickly assign dollar values to the different picks, just as they do for prospects, and the picks will just become another form of currency. we could also see teams trading pick 1-1 to a team (like the brewers this year) with 4 day 1 picks
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Post by nomar on Jul 17, 2024 8:53:10 GMT -5
Curious how this would look? Would they allow every round to be traded? Top 5 only? 10? 5 feels like plenty. No point to trading anything below that. It wouldn’t be a needle mover in a trade and only would complicate the draft logistically.
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Post by scottysmalls on Jul 17, 2024 9:52:59 GMT -5
Love this mainly for two reasons: 1) more strategy paths for teams, 2) draft day becomes much more exciting if teams are moving all over day of
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Post by keninten on Jul 17, 2024 11:29:11 GMT -5
As long as money isn`t involved in the trades. Large market teams could start buying picks.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jul 17, 2024 11:45:29 GMT -5
Lot of changes baseball. Dont like most of them.
Like the clock change.
Add being able to trade draft picks among the small list of changes I do like. Would really make draft day extremely exciting.
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Post by incandenza on Jul 17, 2024 12:45:47 GMT -5
I'm in favor of it because my general attitude is that people ought to be able to do what they want unless it's clearly harmful. If a team thinks it will improve itself now or in the future by trading draft picks, why not let them do it?
But I don't know about this argument that baseball is so stiff and boring compared to the other sports because it doesn't yet allow this. The phenomenon of prospects working through the minor leagues for years is a fascinating dimension of baseball that other sports don't really have, and trading a known prospect for a major league talent is already a more compelling dynamic than just trading a draft pick, which is, at first, just a number without a face.
In a way you could say that trading a draft pick in football or basketball is their poor imitation of the kind of trades that baseball already has.
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Post by seamus on Jul 17, 2024 12:51:54 GMT -5
I would be in favor of letting teams trade money that could be used in the draft pool, but I wouldn't want a situation where a team could wind up with substantially fewer (or more) draft picks than another team.
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Post by wOBA Fett on Jul 17, 2024 13:07:08 GMT -5
I actually hate this idea without a mandatory slot based bonus system. The MLB draft allows players to negotiate with teams behind the scenes and shop their bonus number. If teams think they have an offer in place with a player and trade up for pick, there is nothing stopping the player from receiving other bonus offers or demanding a larger bonus from the team that moved up and threatening not to sign.
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Post by ematz1423 on Jul 17, 2024 13:11:05 GMT -5
I actually hate this idea without a mandatory slot based bonus system. The MLB draft allows players to negotiate with teams behind the scenes and shop their bonus number. If teams think they have an offer in place with a player and trade up for pick, there is nothing stopping the player from receiving other bonus offers or demanding a larger bonus from the team that moved up and threatening not to sign. My biggest theoretical fear is along these lines. Without knowing the rules, what if a team ends up acquiring 5~ extra first round picks in a year when there is a guy like Skenes and tells him we'll give you all of our 1st round bonus pool to not agree with the team with the first pick. There definitely needs to be some restrictions.
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Post by julyanmorley on Jul 17, 2024 13:11:31 GMT -5
I predict teams will mostly replace prospects in trades with draft picks, with the exception that high level prospects are worth a lot more than picks and so can’t be easily substituted. You don’t have to worry what the other side knows that you don’t with picks.
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Post by okin15 on Jul 17, 2024 14:40:21 GMT -5
I agree with a lot of the concerns voiced above. There are lots of potential compromises: mandatory slot, only rounds 2-5, etc. My suggested compromise is to allow trades of just-signed draftees up until the trade deadline. You're trading the player, not the pick. Then they go on their usual no-trade for 12 months rule.
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Post by oldfaithful2019 on Jul 17, 2024 14:52:16 GMT -5
If I understood what problem would be solved if teams could trade draft picks, I'd be able to offer thoughts pro or con. Without that, I am opposed, the status quo works fine.
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Post by bishop on Jul 17, 2024 15:06:13 GMT -5
I think it's long past due and can add a little excitement and hype around the draft which is always a good thing for the sport, even if you restrict it to only this year's picks or a couple years out. Not sure it solves the under slot jockeying near the top but I think that's confusing for the average fan instead of the focus being on who is the best player in the draft. (Hard slotting solves that but adds some complications of it's own.) "Do the Guardians think Bazzanna is the best player and worth picking #1, or do they trade down a couple picks and try to add extra picks or another prospect?" is a better storyline than "Did the Guardians cut a deal with a guy? We really won't have an answer tonight and maybe not for a couple weeks!"
But really the change I want to see is the elimination of Competitive Balance picks, or at least an adjustment where there is a Win/Loss cutoff. Sick of seeing the Orioles, Diamondbacks, Guardians get free million $ picks (and extra IFA bonus pool $$$) partly because a team like Baltimore was mismanaged for 30 years under Angelos.
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Post by bluechip on Jul 17, 2024 15:47:00 GMT -5
I actually hate this idea without a mandatory slot based bonus system. The MLB draft allows players to negotiate with teams behind the scenes and shop their bonus number. If teams think they have an offer in place with a player and trade up for pick, there is nothing stopping the player from receiving other bonus offers or demanding a larger bonus from the team that moved up and threatening not to sign. My biggest theoretical fear is along these lines. Without knowing the rules, what if a team ends up acquiring 5~ extra first round picks in a year when there is a guy like Skenes and tells him we'll give you all of our 1st round bonus pool to not agree with the team with the first pick. There definitely needs to be some restrictions. That could still happen in the current system. Right? The number two pick could offer more than the first overall pick slot by indicating that they’ll give all of their money from the first ten rounds. A team picking first would then but stuck with a tough choice. Except that they should still just draft him and offer slot. If he chooses not to take slot, they get the second pick the next year and the player is back in the draft, losing a year of development. Players used leverage to force their way to teams far more often under prior draft systems, and limited costs to the team attempting to get the top prospect. Under the trading pick system, a team would need to give up actual assets to acquire enough draft capital to get the money to try your proposed plan. And I guess, I just don’t see a problem with it, if they do so.
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