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Post by Addam603 on Jul 26, 2024 10:56:24 GMT -5
Does players mean multiple people going to the Dodgers? Or is that just referring to players in general?
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Post by brendan98 on Jul 26, 2024 10:56:46 GMT -5
I think adding Paxton will help, and I prefer him starting to Criswell. In 18 starts, he has 3 bad starts (2 of those were very bad), 1 mediocre start, and the rest in between solid and excellent. His stuff does seem to be down, but he's an experienced guy who knows how to pitch and a lefty so he should be able to get away with a little bit of a decline in stuff. Hopefully, Bailey & Breslow can change his pitch mix a little to get even better results, but I hope we get him.
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Post by asm18 on Jul 26, 2024 10:58:22 GMT -5
So I guess the question now is when it comes to starting pitchers do they:
1) stand pat, content with Criswell/Paxton/Winck on the back end
2) look for more starters, but are very picky about it and it’s only if it’s a deal they really like
3) aggressively look for more
4) use this as an excuse to trade the other Canadian starter on the team…
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Post by vokuhila on Jul 26, 2024 10:58:39 GMT -5
Does players mean multiple people going to the Dodgers? Or is that just referring to players in general? Let's hope that players means two and one of them is Paxton...
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Post by Addam603 on Jul 26, 2024 11:01:53 GMT -5
Would be a little disappointed if it’s Justin Gonzalez or Moises Bolivar, but you don’t stress too much about trading DSL players.
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Post by Addam603 on Jul 26, 2024 11:06:28 GMT -5
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Post by dcsoxfan15 on Jul 26, 2024 11:07:42 GMT -5
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Post by bcsox on Jul 26, 2024 11:07:50 GMT -5
Who is going to get bumped from the 40 man?
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Post by dcsoxfan15 on Jul 26, 2024 11:08:56 GMT -5
Who is going to get bumped from the 40 man? Mata to the 60 day IL
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Post by vokuhila on Jul 26, 2024 11:09:13 GMT -5
Hard not to like this deal. Unranked prospect for living MLB lefty starter...
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Post by chaimtime on Jul 26, 2024 11:12:03 GMT -5
Some interesting stuff from Stats here:
Seems like there’s something to work with. If they can get him right, would be a good addition that costs them basically nothing and can help relieve the innings load. Would still like another starter, though.
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Post by nomar on Jul 26, 2024 11:12:43 GMT -5
Bummer, but Gonzales would have stung harder. Players with K Rates <10%, ISO >.200, and 6’4 frame don’t grow on trees
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Post by pappyman99 on Jul 26, 2024 11:13:30 GMT -5
Hard not to like this deal. Unranked prospect for living MLB lefty starter... It’s a nothing burger all the way around
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Post by vokuhila on Jul 26, 2024 11:14:40 GMT -5
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Post by julyanmorley on Jul 26, 2024 11:14:50 GMT -5
I’ll be honest I did not know who Moises Bolivar was ten minutes ago
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Post by brendan98 on Jul 26, 2024 11:17:13 GMT -5
I’ll be honest I did not know who Moises Bolivar was ten minutes ago He's basically a lottery ticket.
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Post by ramireja on Jul 26, 2024 11:17:23 GMT -5
I’ll be honest I did not know who Moises Bolivar was ten minutes ago Looks like someone is too cool to follow DSL box scores on the daily...Quick, what was everyone's worst fear about what the return might have been? I'll go first....Chase Meidroth.
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Post by scottysmalls on Jul 26, 2024 11:18:15 GMT -5
So this adds depth but basically rules out a rotation upgrade (seeing as Paxton isn't really better than Criswell). They aren't going to bump any of the other four to the bullpen.
The only way I could see an upgrade happening now is if they trade Pivetta and acquire a starter with more control, but that feels pretty unlikely.
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Post by vokuhila on Jul 26, 2024 11:21:02 GMT -5
I’ll be honest I did not know who Moises Bolivar was ten minutes ago Looks like someone is too cool to follow DSL box scores on the daily...Quick, what was everyone's worst fear about what the return might have been? I'll go first....Chase Meidroth. I was thinking Yorke for a quick second there...RedSox handle him weirdly, don't seem to be high on him...selling high etc... Glad i was totally wrong
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Post by puzzler on Jul 26, 2024 11:24:02 GMT -5
So this adds depth but basically rules out a rotation upgrade (seeing as Paxton isn't really better than Criswell). They aren't going to bump any of the other four to the bullpen. The only way I could see an upgrade happening now is if they trade Pivetta and acquire a starter with more control, but that feels pretty unlikely. I disagree that it rules out anything. Paxton could be in the pen. Criswell probably belongs in the pen as well. Only Paxton and Bello won't far exceed their pitch limits, so I'd be pretty dang happy with a six man rotation or mixing and matching with skipped starts. I'm not saying they will trade for an 'upgrade' but I don't think it can be ruled out, especially since they gave up nothing that impacts their minor league system.
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Post by scottysmalls on Jul 26, 2024 11:24:05 GMT -5
Now I wonder what they do on the 26 man. My best guess is they send Criswell down to keep him fully stretched, but maybe there's a small chance they go 6-man for a little bit.
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Post by pappyman99 on Jul 26, 2024 11:27:00 GMT -5
So this adds depth but basically rules out a rotation upgrade (seeing as Paxton isn't really better than Criswell). They aren't going to bump any of the other four to the bullpen. The only way I could see an upgrade happening now is if they trade Pivetta and acquire a starter with more control, but that feels pretty unlikely. I actually can see it and am for Pivetta to the bullpen Trade for Taillon Houck Crawford Taillon Bello Criswell/Paxton piggy back Jansen Hendricks (getting close) Martin (getting close) Slaten Pivetta Bernardino Winchowski
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jul 26, 2024 11:28:17 GMT -5
Paxton isnt that good anymore but he's a welcome addition.
Criswell was awesome against the Rockies but he hasn't, in totality, really pitched well since May.
At worst Criswell is an upgrade to Chase Anderson in the pen, where he can hang out.
But the key thing here is that odds are sooner or later somebody will get hurt and Criswell will be needed to start again.
Having Criswell go from long relief to starter is a lot more desirable than any other option theyd have like starting Winckowski or Fitts, etc.
So for that alone, assuming the cost is minimal, is a good move, even if Paxton isnt what he used to be.
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Post by chaimtime on Jul 26, 2024 11:29:35 GMT -5
I’ll be honest I did not know who Moises Bolivar was ten minutes ago Just turned 17, signed for 25k this past IFA period. Has a decent line in the DSL, nothing crazy. Like any teenager, he could turn into something some day but this is about as close to nothing as it gets.
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Post by asm18 on Jul 26, 2024 11:30:47 GMT -5
So this adds depth but basically rules out a rotation upgrade (seeing as Paxton isn't really better than Criswell). They aren't going to bump any of the other four to the bullpen. The only way I could see an upgrade happening now is if they trade Pivetta and acquire a starter with more control, but that feels pretty unlikely. I think at least they have the flexibility to go in either of those direction, with the deadline on Monday. Like if there is someone Breslow really wants (Taillon? Snell? Detmers?) they can always just DFA Chase Anderson and have Paxton be in the bullpen. But at least now they don’t have to be desperate - you have another dude who can go 5 innings if you need it. And if they “fix” him - cool
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