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Red Sox Acquire James Paxton
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Post by oldfaithful2019 on Jul 26, 2024 13:21:59 GMT -5
It is good to have a veteran lefty in the rotation, especially at the low price. If he can pitch like he did for most of 2023, this could be one of the better deadline moves in baseball in terms cost benefit.
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Post by Foulke_In_Athol on Jul 26, 2024 13:31:45 GMT -5
Okay so one down, now lets go check on Turner, is Duvall healthy? Then take the red eye to Texas and rope up Eovaldi. Then I want to head to Los Angeles and get the Haymaker Joe Kelly. After that we see if Eckersly and Orsillo can take over the TV broadcast. All games will then be moved to UHF channel 38.
That should lock down the rotation, Rh bat and bullpen , while ridding our ears of DOB and Millar sharing favorite cheesecake flavors and recommending cheap cologne brands for high pressure odor protection in an extra inning playoff game as we load the bases with one out.
Thats the plan
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Post by puzzler on Jul 26, 2024 13:34:27 GMT -5
Okay so one down, now lets go check on Turner, is Duvall healthy? Then take the red eye to Texas and rope up Eovaldi. Then I want to head to Los Angeles and get the Haymaker Joe Kelly. After that we see if Eckersly and Orsillo can take over the TV broadcast. All games will then be moved to UHF channel 38. That should lock down the rotation, Rh bat and bullpen , while ridding our ears of DOB and Millar sharing favorite cheesecake flavors and recommending cheap cologne brands for high pressure odor protection in an extra inning playoff game as we load the bases with one out. Thats the plan I'm down, except for Orsillo - he'd be better becoming the next Gorilla Monsoon.
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Post by asm18 on Jul 26, 2024 13:44:01 GMT -5
Honestly the more I look at what other starters are available, the more relieved I am that they at least got this Paxton trade banked in with several days still to go. With the Rangers not selling and the Garrett Crochet situation taking a weird turn, we’re looking at a very aggressive game of musical chairs for like Flaherty, Fedde, Kikuchi, etc.
Aside from Blake Snell (who’s kinda in his own trade market category because of his player option), I don’t know how many of the dudes left are guys who you’d be confident of winning a bidding war over or that you would even want to get in one for
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Post by dirtywaterinla on Jul 26, 2024 14:23:12 GMT -5
Honestly the more I look at what other starters are available, the more relieved I am that they at least got this Paxton trade banked in with several days still to go. With the Rangers not selling and the Garrett Crochet situation taking a weird turn, we’re looking at a very aggressive game of musical chairs for like Flaherty, Fedde, Kikuchi, etc. Aside from Blake Snell (who’s kinda in his own trade market category because of his player option), I don’t know how many of the dudes left are guys who you’d be confident of winning a bidding war over or that you would even want to get in one for Well said. At this point, Snell is really the only interesting and realistic possibility out there.
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Post by Underwater Johnson on Jul 26, 2024 14:37:20 GMT -5
With regards to Paxton and Turner I think it shows the opposite; they were wise to stay away from both in free agency since they're getting them as rentals for almost nothing (obviously Turner hasn't been traded yet). I mean it doesn't matter much either way but why is almost nothing better than actually nothing (other than a slightly larger dent in Henry's wallet) + 4 months of playing time? To me, it's that if you had re-signed Paxton, that likely sends Houck to the pen to start the season. He might still be there as a long reliever or set up guy. No All-Star starter, no CG SHO and other big starts, no thanks. I'll also take Paxton now that he's gotten through half a season fully healthy, rather than in the winter when there was no guarantee he could. As for JH's money, only he knows how signing Paxton to the deal he ultimately got would've affected other off-season moves.
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Post by ericmvan on Jul 26, 2024 14:54:44 GMT -5
They did not need an addition to the active rotation -- the #5 starter, Criswel, ranks 70th in wOBA out of the 150 SP with the most PA. I think everyone gets that Paxton's an OK option for #5 starter if they have an injury.
What's less obvious is that they have now doubled their number of long relievers, which will immediately take some heat of the pen. Good bang for the the buck.
Now lets get Turner back.
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Post by ematz1423 on Jul 26, 2024 15:07:36 GMT -5
I do wonder what the plan is with Paxton, I could see just about anything with him. Maybe he is in the pen, maybe he replaces Criswell, maybe they run a 6 man rotation for a couple turns through. He probably isn't a better option to start right now than Criswell and especially after Criswell had a nice start last time through it'd be a shame to boot him now.
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Post by tedf on Jul 26, 2024 15:21:14 GMT -5
Now I wonder what they do on the 26 man. My best guess is they send Criswell down to keep him fully stretched, but maybe there's a small chance they go 6-man for a little bit.
Paxton has only made one start on "normal" 4 days rest all year, and in that game he lasted just 3 IP.
Six man rotation might make sense?
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Post by nonothing on Jul 26, 2024 15:23:42 GMT -5
Okay so one down, now lets go check on Turner, is Duvall healthy? Then take the red eye to Texas and rope up Eovaldi. Then I want to head to Los Angeles and get the Haymaker Joe Kelly. After that we see if Eckersly and Orsillo can take over the TV broadcast. All games will then be moved to UHF channel 38. That should lock down the rotation, Rh bat and bullpen , while ridding our ears of DOB and Millar sharing favorite cheesecake flavors and recommending cheap cologne brands for high pressure odor protection in an extra inning playoff game as we load the bases with one out. Thats the plan Can't believe you left out Rich Hill?!?
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Post by oldfaithful2019 on Jul 26, 2024 15:30:06 GMT -5
I do wonder what the plan is with Paxton, I could see just about anything with him. Maybe he is in the pen, maybe he replaces Criswell, maybe they run a 6 man rotation for a couple turns through. He probably isn't a better option to start right now than Criswell and especially after Criswell had a nice start last time through it'd be a shame to boot him now. I see this as an opportunity for the fluid use of 6 starters that the Sox have not had so far this season. Wink simply did not earn his chance to be that guy. This will help with innings management and the opportunity to give extra days off. Cora and Bailey should be able to manage this well. To me, this is what the rotation needed for the balance of 2024. Now, I hope to see an impact bullpen arm next.
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Post by nonothing on Jul 26, 2024 15:31:40 GMT -5
I do wonder what the plan is with Paxton, I could see just about anything with him. Maybe he is in the pen, maybe he replaces Criswell, maybe they run a 6 man rotation for a couple turns through. He probably isn't a better option to start right now than Criswell and especially after Criswell had a nice start last time through it'd be a shame to boot him now. I think the Paxton thing is so they can give guys less innings. They will figure out if they do rotating IL stints or 6-man rotation or whatever, but basically they need some people to eat innings. As a separate but related point, I really can't understand when people give hate to Anderson. He has been tremendous this year. It's not easy to be "the mop up guy," and he clearly gets that is his role. He takes as many meaningless IP off the rest of the staff as possible and does actually quite a credible job with those IPs. It's a team sport. He is doing a perfect job in his role supporting the team. Imagine you were that role, knowing all year the goal is to replace you with the 5th starter in the pen in the playoffs after giving as many IPs leading up to it as possible. That's not easy. He seems to be doing a great job of it, and as far as I know, no complaints from him or about him. If they win, he deserves the ring he gets even with no playoff appearances. It takes more than 26 guys to win. It's a very long season. Back to Paxton, he knows the team, and the team knows him. Great match. He picked up the option. Quality guy, and I think a great teammate pickup. Nobody expects him to be a #1. He will do his best to do his job when his number is called. Very good pickup. And the whining about this signaling the other moves it implies... I think it signals they want to get better. If they find other deals they like, I think they will do them. This deal fits regardless of other moves.
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Post by Soxfansince1971 on Jul 26, 2024 15:36:30 GMT -5
I do wonder what the plan is with Paxton, I could see just about anything with him. Maybe he is in the pen, maybe he replaces Criswell, maybe they run a 6 man rotation for a couple turns through. He probably isn't a better option to start right now than Criswell and especially after Criswell had a nice start last time through it'd be a shame to boot him now. Agreed, I do not think Criswell should be removed from the rotation. I think Paxton should systematically be placed in the rotation so that Houck, Crawford, Bello, and Pivetta each should skip a start. It will help them make it to the end of the year and maintain their affectivenews.
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Post by Underwater Johnson on Jul 26, 2024 15:40:20 GMT -5
Now I wonder what they do on the 26 man. My best guess is they send Criswell down to keep him fully stretched, but maybe there's a small chance they go 6-man for a little bit.
Paxton has only made one start on "normal" 4 days rest all year, and in that game he lasted just 3 IP.
Six man rotation might make sense?
Excellent point. I think a 6-man makes sense to keep everyone fresh. Someone also mentioned manipulating the IL to give guys like Houck and Crawford 15-day breathers. There's no way I would envision Paxton going to the bullpen. I'm not asking an older, injury-prone guy to get out of his routine like that. And if he can't go on back-to-back days, he'd be clogging up the bullpen anyway. If they acquire another starter, put Criswell in the pen, where he has experience, and push guys like Keller, Anderson, and Horn a rung down the depth chart.
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Post by dcsoxfan15 on Jul 26, 2024 15:47:35 GMT -5
Now I wonder what they do on the 26 man. My best guess is they send Criswell down to keep him fully stretched, but maybe there's a small chance they go 6-man for a little bit. I really hope they go with the 6-man, but I don’t think will
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Post by Underwater Johnson on Jul 26, 2024 15:48:18 GMT -5
I do wonder what the plan is with Paxton, I could see just about anything with him. Maybe he is in the pen, maybe he replaces Criswell, maybe they run a 6 man rotation for a couple turns through. He probably isn't a better option to start right now than Criswell and especially after Criswell had a nice start last time through it'd be a shame to boot him now. I think the Paxton thing is so they can give guys less innings. They will figure out if they do rotating IL stints or 6-man rotation or whatever, but basically they need some people to eat innings. As a separate but related point, I really can't understand when people give hate to Anderson. He has been tremendous this year. It's not easy to be "the mop up guy," and he clearly gets that is his role. He takes as many meaningless IP off the rest of the staff as possible and does actually quite a credible job with those IPs. It's a team sport. He is doing a perfect job in his role supporting the team. Imagine you were that role, knowing all year the goal is to replace you with the 5th starter in the pen in the playoffs after giving as many IPs leading up to it as possible. That's not easy. He seems to be doing a great job of it, and as far as I know, no complaints from him or about him. If they win, he deserves the ring he gets even with no playoff appearances. It takes more than 26 guys to win. It's a very long season. Back to Paxton, he knows the team, and the team knows him. Great match. He picked up the option. Quality guy, and I think a great teammate pickup. Nobody expects him to be a #1. He will do his best to do his job when his number is called. Very good pickup. And the whining about this signaling the other moves it implies... I think it signals they want to get better. If they find other deals they like, I think they will do them. This deal fits regardless of other moves. The radio booth interviewed him after a recent game when he got a 3-inning save in a blowout after Sean McDonough read in his bio that he had been given the Good Guy Award on two different MLB teams. Funny, upbeat guy who indeed knows his role and doesn't take being on a 26-man roster for granted. Apparently they must listen to the radio broadcast out in the bullpen because he did impressions of Joe Castig and Loumer reading Shaw's ads.
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Post by itinerantherb on Jul 26, 2024 16:13:42 GMT -5
I think the Paxton thing is so they can give guys less innings. They will figure out if they do rotating IL stints or 6-man rotation or whatever, but basically they need some people to eat innings. As a separate but related point, I really can't understand when people give hate to Anderson. He has been tremendous this year. It's not easy to be "the mop up guy," and he clearly gets that is his role. He takes as many meaningless IP off the rest of the staff as possible and does actually quite a credible job with those IPs. It's a team sport. He is doing a perfect job in his role supporting the team. Imagine you were that role, knowing all year the goal is to replace you with the 5th starter in the pen in the playoffs after giving as many IPs leading up to it as possible. That's not easy. He seems to be doing a great job of it, and as far as I know, no complaints from him or about him. If they win, he deserves the ring he gets even with no playoff appearances. It takes more than 26 guys to win. It's a very long season. Back to Paxton, he knows the team, and the team knows him. Great match. He picked up the option. Quality guy, and I think a great teammate pickup. Nobody expects him to be a #1. He will do his best to do his job when his number is called. Very good pickup. And the whining about this signaling the other moves it implies... I think it signals they want to get better. If they find other deals they like, I think they will do them. This deal fits regardless of other moves. The radio booth interviewed him after a recent game when he got a 3-inning save in a blowout after Sean McDonough read in his bio that he had been given the Good Guy Award on two different MLB teams. Funny, upbeat guy who indeed knows his role and doesn't take being on a 26-man roster for granted. Apparently they must listen to the radio broadcast out in the bullpen because he did impressions of Joe Castig and Loumer reading Shaw's ads. That was a great interview. Very endearing, easy to root for. Many us us need frequent reminders that the scrubs are, in fact, talented, hard working, and often really likeable guys who are giving it everything to stick on a ML roster.
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Post by benogliviesbrother on Jul 26, 2024 16:20:08 GMT -5
The radio booth interviewed him after a recent game when he got a 3-inning save in a blowout after Sean McDonough read in his bio that he had been given the Good Guy Award on two different MLB teams. Funny, upbeat guy who indeed knows his role and doesn't take being on a 26-man roster for granted. Apparently they must listen to the radio broadcast out in the bullpen because he did impressions of Joe Castig and Loumer reading Shaw's ads. That was a great interview. Very endearing, easy to root for. Many us us need frequent reminders that the scrubs are, in fact, talented, hard working, and often really likeable guys who are giving it everything to stick on a ML roster. I always thought a "scrub" was something one did to a floor, not something one called a big-leaguer. The very worst big-leaguer has accomplished something most never could in a 100 lifetimes.
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Jul 26, 2024 16:30:11 GMT -5
Not a fan. Was annoyed with him at the end of last year, and over the last 2 years. Didn't return to much on our investment over that time. Will hope for a better outcome over the next few months.
Also, remind me again why it is good that "it doesn't cost too much" ? I mean, not for nothing, but we are under the LT and have a pretty good ballclub. We have a couple of MVP candidates, a pretty solid staff, and the competition has its own warts.
I am kind of ready to retire the working on the margains because (fill in the blank). Not privy to what costs what at the deadline, but more than willing (wanting) the club to take risk.
You can put me on the record, I think that attitude should be shelved and / or discarded outright. Our FO, and fans, should have higher standards.
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Post by itinerantherb on Jul 26, 2024 16:30:22 GMT -5
That was a great interview. Very endearing, easy to root for. Many us us need frequent reminders that the scrubs are, in fact, talented, hard working, and often really likeable guys who are giving it everything to stick on a ML roster. I always thought a "scrub" was something one did to a floor, not something one called a big-leaguer. The very worst big-leaguer has accomplished something most never could in a 100 lifetimes. Yeah, that was my point. "Scrub" was in implied quotation marks.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jul 26, 2024 16:51:19 GMT -5
Not a fan. Was annoyed with him at the end of last year, and over the last 2 years. Didn't return to much on our investment over that time. Will hope for a better outcome over the next few months. Also, remind me again why it is good that "it doesn't cost too much" ? I mean, not for nothing, but we are under the LT and have a pretty good ballclub. We have a couple of MVP candidates, a pretty solid staff, and the competition has its own warts. I am kind of ready to retire the working on the margains because (fill in the blank). Not privy to what costs what at the deadline, but more than willing (wanting) the club to take risk. You can put me on the record, I think that attitude should be shelved and / or discarded outright. Our FO, and fans, should have higher standards. This isn't working the margins. The MLB pitching staff depth is suddenly in a shambles both in the rotation and in the bullpen. Paxton's fastball has been garbage this year, but it looked good against them in his last start and they probably have faith in Bailey to try and figure it out. If they can get an MLB starter, even if he's a legit #5, in exchange for a DSL flyer, you make that trade every day and twice on Sunday. If he's not, then they didn't give up much and can move on. I'm not sure that this precludes them from doing anything else. They could easily go and get another starter given the concerns about Houck's and Crawford's workloads and whether Jeckyl or Hyde Pivetta is going to show up on a given day. For what it's worth on Bolivar, he's a decent lottery ticket from the DR program, but I asked someone in the know for who some of the top guys down there have been this year and got a list of 8 hitters. Bolivar wasn't one. Easily could've slipped this person's mind but like, it's not like he was their top guy. Maybe he turns into Gregory Santos but he's more likely somewhere closer to Noelberth Romero. I don't get being upset about this deal.
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Post by cheers on Jul 26, 2024 16:52:03 GMT -5
In a vaccum, Paxton is a good cheap depth/injury insurance signing.
He does nothing to raise the ceiling, but he does lift the floor.
If this is the only pre-deadline rotation move, then I am disappointed.
If the Sox grab a #4 from somewhere, then Paxton signing also bolsters the bullpen (by moving a starter into a swingman role) - and I like it.
Guess we'll know in a few days.
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Post by oldfaithful2019 on Jul 26, 2024 16:52:04 GMT -5
Not a fan. Was annoyed with him at the end of last year, and over the last 2 years. Didn't return to much on our investment over that time. Will hope for a better outcome over the next few months. Also, remind me again why it is good that "it doesn't cost too much" ? I mean, not for nothing, but we are under the LT and have a pretty good ballclub. We have a couple of MVP candidates, a pretty solid staff, and the competition has its own warts. I am kind of ready to retire the working on the margains because (fill in the blank). Not privy to what costs what at the deadline, but more than willing (wanting) the club to take risk. You can put me on the record, I think that attitude should be shelved and / or discarded outright. Our FO, and fans, should have higher standards. Speaking for myself, I evaluate costs of a deal in terms of player cost only. I could care less about salary, room under the cap and all that jazz. So in terms of the Paxton trade, they gave up a 17 yr old unknown, so the deal did not cost to much. Also, in my opinion, if they out bid the market for Burnes this winter, it will not have cost to much !
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Jul 26, 2024 17:24:58 GMT -5
Not a fan. Was annoyed with him at the end of last year, and over the last 2 years. Didn't return to much on our investment over that time. Will hope for a better outcome over the next few months. Also, remind me again why it is good that "it doesn't cost too much" ? I mean, not for nothing, but we are under the LT and have a pretty good ballclub. We have a couple of MVP candidates, a pretty solid staff, and the competition has its own warts. I am kind of ready to retire the working on the margains because (fill in the blank). Not privy to what costs what at the deadline, but more than willing (wanting) the club to take risk. You can put me on the record, I think that attitude should be shelved and / or discarded outright. Our FO, and fans, should have higher standards. This isn't working the margins. The MLB pitching staff depth is suddenly in a shambles both in the rotation and in the bullpen. Paxton's fastball has been garbage this year, but it looked good against them in his last start and they probably have faith in Bailey to try and figure it out. If they can get an MLB starter, even if he's a legit #5, in exchange for a DSL flyer, you make that trade every day and twice on Sunday. If he's not, then they didn't give up much and can move on. I'm not sure that this precludes them from doing anything else. They could easily go and get another starter given the concerns about Houck's and Crawford's workloads and whether Jeckyl or Hyde Pivetta is going to show up on a given day. For what it's worth on Bolivar, he's a decent lottery ticket from the DR program, but I asked someone in the know for who some of the top guys down there have been this year and got a list of 8 hitters. Bolivar wasn't one. Easily could've slipped this person's mind but like, it's not like he was their top guy. Maybe he turns into Gregory Santos but he's more likely somewhere closer to Noelberth Romero. I don't get being upset about this deal. would not classify my attitude as upset, just not a fan, for the reasons I stated. I would disagree this isn't working on the margains, but that may be subjective. I don't have all the information about what or who is avialable, or at what cost. The fact he didn't cost that much suggests to me that it is on the margains, vis-a-vis the Dodgers didn't expect to get much more of an offer. It certainly isn't a major trade. Maybe this deal gets in the way of a better one closer to the deadline. They made their choice, hope it works out. He isn't that good a pitcher. We have to be honest a bit here. This move takes a roster spot that could be used for any other pitcher that may have available fo trade. Some of my commentary was directed to reading the posts, that seemed to me be much of the same narrative that has existed for the past few yeas. Let's not spend too much prospect capital, or money, whatever it may be. With apologies, I just don't want to subscribe to that anymore.
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Post by Underwater Johnson on Jul 26, 2024 19:10:07 GMT -5
Just a quick note on the prevailing narrative here that Kutter Crawford is about to break down from overwork: he threw over 140 IP in one of his minor league seasons, so he’s not going to wilt anytime soon. He may well surpass his previous high but he’s a grown-ass man and it’s as good a time as any to do that.
Back to the trade deadline chatter…
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