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Red Sox acquire Danny Jansen for Coffey, Paulino, Batista
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Post by julyanmorley on Jul 27, 2024 19:33:06 GMT -5
I don't think the domestic reserve list is a factor at all. The guys getting cut are going to be extreme long shots not close to the top 60.
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Post by redsoxfansince94 on Jul 27, 2024 19:33:27 GMT -5
I understand giving up Paulino. A platoon infielder who will be a okay a best. Guys a dime a dozen. I don’t understand trading Coffey in this deal. He’s blocked and they like other similar prospects more?
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Post by rickasadoorian on Jul 27, 2024 19:46:52 GMT -5
I understand giving up Paulino. A platoon infielder who will be a okay a best. Guys a dime a dozen. I don’t understand trading Coffey in this deal. I dunno. The way you describe Paulino seems to describe Coffey perfectly too.
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Post by trotnixon7 on Jul 27, 2024 19:57:49 GMT -5
I don't think many people were under the illusion the prospects delt were projected diff makers of any kind down the road HOWEVER..
I figured they were worth more than 2 months of a backup catcher.
Not that I'm losing sleep over it at the same time.
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Post by incandenza on Jul 27, 2024 20:07:37 GMT -5
Danny Jansen
Age 27: .366 xwOBA Age 28: .316 xwOBA Age 29: .301 xwOBA
Not too optimistic that we have the next Schwarber on our hands...
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Post by soxinsf on Jul 27, 2024 20:11:31 GMT -5
It’s pretty hard to LOVE this trade, but there is very little downside. Sure, maybe Cutter Coffey becomes valuable someday. You don’t get something for a bag of batting practice balls.
So, consider the POSSIBLE upsides, with “possible” being the operative word here.
—A lineup with Jansen catching, Wong at 1B or DH, Romy at 2b is an upgrade against LH pitching, esp in Fenway. —Jansen is arguably a better defender than Maguire. —The roster spaces are useful in other moves. —Jansen could be a bridge to Teel if he signed on for next year. —Backup catchers are an available commodity if Jansen does not sign on. —Teel could be ready sooner than the conventional wisdom thinks. He would not be the first to move up quickly.
The deal is more than a nothing-burger. It’s just not the prime rib we have been hoping for.
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Post by rico6 on Jul 27, 2024 20:13:09 GMT -5
Danny Jansen Age 27: .366 xwOBA Age 28: .316 xwOBA Age 29: .301 xwOBA Not too optimistic that we have the next Schwarber on our hands... Craig's probably hoping that Jansen can run into a few HRs the rest of the way playing at Fenway. Adding at least a possible power threat from a RHH. I do think that is Craig's RHH that he was looking to fill at the deadline.
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Post by Underwater Johnson on Jul 27, 2024 20:36:26 GMT -5
Danny Jansen Age 27: .366 xwOBA Age 28: .316 xwOBA Age 29: .301 xwOBA Not too optimistic that we have the next Schwarber on our hands... I'm fine with the trade but not sure why so many appear eager to extend him tonight.
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Post by jimoh on Jul 27, 2024 20:46:07 GMT -5
The main thing for me is that with these two small moves we have improved the 2024 team a little and have not given away anyone likely to contribute in 2025-2027 when we will have a lot of talent and should really compete. I expect one more move for a reliever.
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Post by wOBA Fett on Jul 27, 2024 21:04:05 GMT -5
So the Blue Jays just did to us what we did to the Astros two years ago. Abreu and Valdez were both raking the year they got traded. I think Valdez was like T5 in minor league home runs. The Red Sox can't keep all these guys and the farm system didn't get much worse today.
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Post by alnipper on Jul 27, 2024 22:00:11 GMT -5
So the Blue Jays just did to us what we did to the Astros two years ago. Abreu and Valdez were both raking the year they got traded. I think Valdez was like T5 in minor league home runs. The Red Sox can't keep all these guys and the farm system didn't get much worse today. The question will be if the Sox got better. The reason you do trades.
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Post by puzzler on Jul 27, 2024 22:02:17 GMT -5
Abreu and Valdez were both raking the year they got traded. I think Valdez was like T5 in minor league home runs. The Red Sox can't keep all these guys and the farm system didn't get much worse today. The question will be if the Sox got better. The reason you do trades. I'm starting to think Jansen is more get Wong from behind the plate. Other than pop time and arm, he's not good back there. Tonight calling for cutters away from Grissom who promptly hits one off the wall.
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Post by wOBA Fett on Jul 27, 2024 22:12:07 GMT -5
The question will be if the Sox got better. The reason you do trades. I'm starting to think Jansen is more get Wong from behind the plate. Other than pop time and arm, he's not good back there. Tonight calling for cutters away from Grissom who promptly hits one off the wall. I think they will both play. Wong is a decent utility guy
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Post by bosoxnation on Jul 27, 2024 22:18:11 GMT -5
I'm in shock that we traded Coffey in this deal. Only thing that makes sense is that we just don't value his power which is crazy because it's something the big league club kinda lacks outside a few guys. I think EP and Batista is enough for a backup rental Catcher. Which means they ain't looking at him like a rental. Jansen is someone they want Teel to learn from otherwise it just don't make sense to me. Teel/Jansen look like the future at C. 21-22-23 Jansen gets about 250 ABs and avgs like 14 HRs. This year he's over 200 ABs and at 6 HRs. Seems like a huge overpay on a very down year in terms of Jansens power numbers.
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Post by patford on Jul 27, 2024 22:22:47 GMT -5
I'm probably one the biggest prospect huggers around and have no issue at all with this deal.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jul 27, 2024 22:23:49 GMT -5
The question will be if the Sox got better. The reason you do trades. I'm starting to think Jansen is more get Wong from behind the plate. Other than pop time and arm, he's not good back there. Tonight calling for cutters away from Grissom who promptly hits one off the wall. Jansen was missing Wong's targets all night. Strikes yes but not where they were supposed to be.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jul 27, 2024 22:26:22 GMT -5
Bottom line, for both trades. Sox didn't trade anyone likely to impact the future Sox. Decent prospects yes, but all longshots to be impact players.
Both teams did well here.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jul 27, 2024 22:29:14 GMT -5
I really don't want this but a swap, Quantrill for Reese plus would be funny.
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Post by christianarroyossock on Jul 27, 2024 23:23:53 GMT -5
This honestly seems like a pretty horrendous trade to me. We have a righty catcher that is hitting .300… it seems like the only thing that results from this is wong getting less playing time and us essentially getting worse. Not to mention that we gave up legit prospects for this. Maybe I’m just pissed from the loss tonight but if this is what us buying looks like I’d rather they just forget it and see where we go with what we’ve got without throwing away future pieces for backup catchers that we can’t even platoon.
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Post by asm18 on Jul 27, 2024 23:37:24 GMT -5
Danny Jansen has a .267/.374/.527 slashline against the Yankees. That would be nice if that continued
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Post by trotnixon7 on Jul 27, 2024 23:45:23 GMT -5
I'm honestly kinda surprised most people are upset about losing Coffey over Paulino.
I've always envisioned Coffey having solid raw power but not having the other tools to begin to utilize it.
Paulino at least could maybe be a utility guy or up/down org depth type..which is something.
I don't mind trading off kids like this, just would rather use it for an interesting BP arm over a backup c. Not that I'd be expecting an impact back end arm.
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Post by notstarboard on Jul 27, 2024 23:51:28 GMT -5
I'm surprised people are so in love with Coffey as a prospect. This site has him ranked 28th in the system, well behind Paulino. He has the ceiling you want in a prospect but so much bust potential.
From Paulino's stats and write-up, and given his impending R5 eligibility, he seems like a guy that might have been lost for nothing in a few months. A splitty LHH utility guy is not what this team will need anytime soon either.
The third guy seems like a complete lottery ticket.
I don't see this as a big loss.
I like Jansen, though. Great bat for Fenway, improves the defense and offense especially against LHP, should keep Wong more fresh, and lets us add by subtraction by moving McGuire. McGuire may even help fetch some pen help - recall that we acquired him in just such a deal! Yes, Jansen has beeb slumping, but the ballpark change and regressing to the xwOBA mean could make him a useful player. And doubly so if the Sox think the slump is related to fixable mechanical issues. He has a career 101 wRC+ from the catcher position and he's only 29; I'd be surprised if he's just suddenly cooked at the plate.
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Post by Foulke_In_Athol on Jul 28, 2024 0:09:27 GMT -5
The future is Wong and Teel.
The journey man catcher will keep journeying after the season.
The trade is what it is... Hoping you just acquired the Steve Pearce/Kyle Schwarber of a successful team.
I just would have preferred Turner.. We know he can hit here and really wanted to comeback during the off-season.
I bet a deal with this Framework, just expanding and maybe with a sweetner you could have got Turner
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Post by Underwater Johnson on Jul 28, 2024 0:29:31 GMT -5
Danny Jansen has a .267/.374/.527 slashline against the Yankees. That would be nice if that continued Put him in, coach!
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Post by dirtywaterinla on Jul 28, 2024 0:31:55 GMT -5
This honestly seems like a pretty horrendous trade to me. We have a righty catcher that is hitting .300… it seems like the only thing that results from this is wong getting less playing time and us essentially getting worse. Not to mention that we gave up legit prospects for this. Maybe I’m just pissed from the loss tonight but if this is what us buying looks like I’d rather they just forget it and see where we go with what we’ve got without throwing away future pieces for backup catchers that we can’t even platoon. This is not taking away time from Wong. He will slot to 1B when there’s a LHP. Depends on your view of legit prospects as well. Coffey really has only a 10 day hot steak in his minor league career thus far and is totally blocked on the depth chart by far more talented players. Paulino would have been a nice up and down UT guy at some point, but he’s a Rule 5 candidate this offseason and there’s other players the team would like to protect. In short, these aren’t future pieces that were going to have any substantial impact on the big league club.
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