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Red Sox acquire Danny Jansen for Coffey, Paulino, Batista
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Post by scottysmalls on Jul 27, 2024 18:37:09 GMT -5
Dont like the deal. Dont hate the deal. I think Toronto did well in the deal. Coffey is still young and has good pop. At least he has a chance. I think Paulino is a decent possibilty to make the majors as a useful utility guy, hardly irreplaceable and not surprised he was dealt. Batista doesnt look like any big loss. Not a huge dent to the system and nice value for the Jays. Unless Jansen reverts to what he was before the long extended mega-slump I dont really see the point of the deal other than to free up Wong for 1b against lefties. He's just a rental. I'd rather they have dealt for his teammate, the old bearded red headed guy. I don’t think any of this is unfair at all, but my guess is Jansen hits better than Turner down the stretch (projections have it as a coin flip), and he fits Fenway better, and he’s an easier roster fit, so I get why they want this way.
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Post by dwatt on Jul 27, 2024 18:38:03 GMT -5
In my opinion this is a lousy trade. We did not need another catcher. Gave up way too much for a player hitting.212.
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Post by templeusox on Jul 27, 2024 18:39:29 GMT -5
It's a lot for a backup catcher that will not be back in the organization in 2025. They might get more games out of a reliever they acquire than they will with Jansen. Only makes sense if you're literally just trying to clear out guys from the domestic reserve list.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jul 27, 2024 18:41:38 GMT -5
Dont like the deal. Dont hate the deal. I think Toronto did well in the deal. Coffey is still young and has good pop. At least he has a chance. I think Paulino is a decent possibilty to make the majors as a useful utility guy, hardly irreplaceable and not surprised he was dealt. Batista doesnt look like any big loss. Not a huge dent to the system and nice value for the Jays. Unless Jansen reverts to what he was before the long extended mega-slump I dont really see the point of the deal other than to free up Wong for 1b against lefties. He's just a rental. I'd rather they have dealt for his teammate, the old bearded red headed guy. I don’t think any of this is unfair at all, but my guess is Jansen hits better than Turner down the stretch (projections have it as a coin flip), and he fits Fenway better, and he’s an easier roster fit, so I get why they want this way. I trust Turner's hit tool more than Jansen's hit tool and I think Turner who got off to a bad start will hit more the rest of the way than Jansen whose megaslump is concerning. Did he lose it or has he been playing thru an injury?
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Post by jimoh on Jul 27, 2024 18:42:18 GMT -5
remember we gave a infield prospect in 2018 who turned into a major leaguer but how did we do ? all-star infielder, right?
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Post by scottysmalls on Jul 27, 2024 18:43:02 GMT -5
I don’t think any of this is unfair at all, but my guess is Jansen hits better than Turner down the stretch (projections have it as a coin flip), and he fits Fenway better, and he’s an easier roster fit, so I get why they want this way. I trust Turner's hit tool more than Jansen's hit tool and I think Turner who got off to a bad start will hit more the rest of the way than Jansen whose megaslump is concerning. Did he lose it or has he been playing thru an injury? Hopefully as Eric suggested the Red Sox think the answer to this question is something solvable. I assume they’re at least optimistic that they have a fix (or that it’s just a slump and he’ll return to form normally) or they wouldn’t get involved
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jul 27, 2024 18:43:11 GMT -5
remember we gave a infield prospect in 2018 who turned into a major leaguer but how did we do ? all-star infielder, right? I'd rather have the World Series MVP
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jul 27, 2024 18:47:40 GMT -5
I trust Turner's hit tool more than Jansen's hit tool and I think Turner who got off to a bad start will hit more the rest of the way than Jansen whose megaslump is concerning. Did he lose it or has he been playing thru an injury? Hopefully as Eric suggested the Red Sox think the answer to this question is something solvable. I assume they’re at least optimistic that they have a fix (or that it’s just a slump and he’ll return to form normally) or they wouldn’t get involved Eric always thinks the Red Sox are smarter than everybody else and can fix things. I dont know about that. I hope he comes around. I was hoping for a bat they could out more in the 5 or 6 spot in the lineup rather than toward the bottom of the order.
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Post by DesignatedForAssignment on Jul 27, 2024 18:49:57 GMT -5
ESTEVEZ Angels' closer dealt to Philadelphia for a lower price
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Post by jdb on Jul 27, 2024 18:50:42 GMT -5
I almost wonder if the front office thinks Wongs D is that bad and Jansen gets more starts than we anticipate.
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Post by dirtywaterinla on Jul 27, 2024 18:51:27 GMT -5
ESTEVEZ Angels' closer dealt to Philadelphia for a lower price Um, how? Phillies dealt their #2 and #3 pitching prospects…
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Post by 07redsox on Jul 27, 2024 18:52:12 GMT -5
ESTEVEZ Angels' closer dealt to Philadelphia for a lower price Sure, if by lower price you mean less players. That’s really the only way your statement would be accurate though.
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Post by finaliz3d on Jul 27, 2024 18:53:44 GMT -5
ESTEVEZ Angels' closer dealt to Philadelphia for a lower price yeah, no, those were two of the better pitching prospects in philadelphia. we gave up a rule 5 guy who was likely not getting protected, a guy i'm not sure has ever been the sp60, and cutter coffey who had a great june but has mostly been kind of whatever as a prospect thus far.
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Post by thegoodthebadthesox on Jul 27, 2024 18:54:14 GMT -5
ESTEVEZ Angels' closer dealt to Philadelphia for a lower price Not even close to a lower price lol Though I will say this does feel like a bit much
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Post by scottysmalls on Jul 27, 2024 18:56:01 GMT -5
Hopefully as Eric suggested the Red Sox think the answer to this question is something solvable. I assume they’re at least optimistic that they have a fix (or that it’s just a slump and he’ll return to form normally) or they wouldn’t get involved Eric always thinks the Red Sox are smarter than everybody else and can fix things. I dont know about that. I hope he comes around. I was hoping for a bat they could out more in the 5 or 6 spot in the lineup rather than toward the bottom of the order. Yeah but in this scenario you don’t have to think they’re smarter than everyone else to believe that he could bounce back from this slump. The Blue Jays might believe he will. They might see the same problem and it would still make sense for them to sell. It’s more I’m saying that the Red Sox I’m assuming don’t see it as a permanent breakdown, which they might be able to have some insight into
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Post by Underwater Johnson on Jul 27, 2024 18:58:52 GMT -5
Paulino is a decent prospect but as a borderline RUle 5 guy his trade value was really low. Might be that they weren't going to protect him and felt he was a good bet to get selected and so were in a rush to dump him Reminds me of those two Rule 5 eligible prospects the Sox got from SDP for Mitchy Two-bags. [surf, surf...] Potts and Rosario. Seemed more promising than they turned out to be.
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Post by dirtdog on Jul 27, 2024 19:04:16 GMT -5
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Post by coke0myfavdrink on Jul 27, 2024 19:04:30 GMT -5
Paulino is a decent prospect but as a borderline RUle 5 guy his trade value was really low. Might be that they weren't going to protect him and felt he was a good bet to get selected and so were in a rush to dump him Reminds me of those two Rule 5 eligible prospects the Sox got from SDP for Mitchy Two-bags. [surf, surf...] Potts and Rosario. Seemed more promising than they turned out to be. The system was in a different place at the time too though you got to factor that in.
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Post by orion09 on Jul 27, 2024 19:07:36 GMT -5
So… does McGuire get traded?
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Post by Foulke_In_Athol on Jul 27, 2024 19:10:42 GMT -5
So the Blue Jays just did to us what we did to the Astros two years ago.
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Post by finaliz3d on Jul 27, 2024 19:11:13 GMT -5
So… does McGuire get traded? either he gets waived or traded for next to nothing.
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Post by cdj on Jul 27, 2024 19:11:40 GMT -5
ESTEVEZ Angels' closer dealt to Philadelphia for a lower price Not accurate
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Post by rico6 on Jul 27, 2024 19:15:04 GMT -5
So… does McGuire get traded? I don't see them riding with 3 catchers even though Wong is athletic enough to play other positions. If they're looking to make the roster stronger, I think McGuire is the weak link. Either DFA or traded.
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Post by redsoxfansince94 on Jul 27, 2024 19:28:27 GMT -5
In my opinion this is a lousy trade. We did not need another catcher. Gave up way too much for a player hitting.212. Organization needs contract spots for draftees. Guys getting promoted. Upgrading MLB roster. They didn’t give up that much. Coffey is the only true piece and he’s blocked. Paulino is R5.
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Post by soxfan06 on Jul 27, 2024 19:32:14 GMT -5
I understand giving up Paulino. A platoon infielder who will be a okay a best. Guys a dime a dozen.
I don’t understand trading Coffey in this deal.
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