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Post by evanstonredsox on Jul 30, 2024 12:48:59 GMT -5
Could be taking this the wrong way, but if Breslow is trading a non rule 5 eligible pitcher, the pitching dev team was probably skeptical of Portes
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Post by nonothing on Jul 30, 2024 12:49:29 GMT -5
Ovis is good and Sims has bad BB% and GB% FIP in the 4s last 3 yrs. Looks all due to walks. Good K rates. Maybe they have a plan that includes him throwing strikes? I was wondering if one of Portes, Reyes, Valera could go. I guess yes is the answer. (MLBTR reporting maybe Ovis Porter, close enough I guess?)
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Post by scottysmalls on Jul 30, 2024 12:49:46 GMT -5
Pitching+ rates him the 5th best among Red Sox RPs this year, behind Jansen, Campbell, Martin, Kelly and one spot ahead of Weissert. That particular mix of rankings doesn't have me drawing big conclusions from this
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Post by Guidas on Jul 30, 2024 12:50:39 GMT -5
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Post by kwodes on Jul 30, 2024 12:50:40 GMT -5
Ovis is good and Sims has bad BB% and GB% FIP in the 4s last 3 yrs. Looks all due to walks. Good K rates. Maybe they have a plan that includes him throwing strikes? I was wondering if one of Portes, Reyes, Valera could go. I guess yes is the answer. I was shocked seeing his FIPs were ONLY in the 4s after seeing the high walk rates and low ground ball rates.
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Post by incandenza on Jul 30, 2024 12:53:08 GMT -5
Bad. Do not like it. He's a totally dime-a-dozen reliever. They'd be as well off hoping Weissert and Bernardino get back into shape as hoping Sims will be good. And Portes has helium.
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Post by cdj on Jul 30, 2024 12:53:42 GMT -5
Really good sweeper
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Post by julyanmorley on Jul 30, 2024 12:54:00 GMT -5
Do not like this at all. Sims does not appear to be any good. Portes isn’t a huge loss but feels like we’re ritually sacrificing a couple goats hoping that will make the rain appear.
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Post by dirtywaterinla on Jul 30, 2024 12:55:36 GMT -5
I get that Sims is a kinda mid, but damn, this team needs some sort of arms that aren’t named Horn, Wingenter, Weissert, etc
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Post by christianarroyossock on Jul 30, 2024 12:55:38 GMT -5
I’m really hating the trades this year. I get it from breslow’s perspective as Chaim got canned for repeated inaction at deadlines but I think if you’re gonna buy you should really buy but don’t just keep throwing away top 30 prospects for rentals who aren’t even good.
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Post by puzzler on Jul 30, 2024 12:55:47 GMT -5
We're trading a guy who has walked 15 in 21 innings at Salem for a guy with a decent big league track record. I know this is a prospect site, but come on. The initial takes here are really bad.
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Post by tedf on Jul 30, 2024 12:55:56 GMT -5
Wow I do not like trading Portes for Sims Me neither, but you might reasonably accuse me of prospect-hugging. Portes is more of a lottery ticket than a real prospect, while Sims at least brings some stability to the pen.
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Post by cdj on Jul 30, 2024 12:56:37 GMT -5
I mean he’s got 100+ appearances of low to mid 3.00 ERA the last couple years, he just walks a bunch of guys. Usually pretty good at limiting hard contact though (average exit velo 95th percentile). Seems like he’s been unlucky with homers this year given that. Can live with that as a middle reliever. He is in fact better than the versions of everybody but like Kelly and Jansen lately
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Post by notstarboard on Jul 30, 2024 12:57:05 GMT -5
Interesting, negative WAR with no control. Well, that's underselling him. Career 10.6 K/9 and 4.6 BB/9 and 2.6 fWAR in 292 IP. Numbers are a touch down this year, but relievers are so high variance I'm not sweating it yet. He's a lot better by xERA than by FIP, so either Cincinatti's defense is garbage (no clue, but it's great at SS this year!), or he's had bad luck, or he's been uncommonly good at stranding runners (true the last two years), or some combination of those. He's at least an MLB caliber arm and we only needed to give up our #29 prospect to get him, albeit one with some helium.
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Post by dirtywaterinla on Jul 30, 2024 12:57:24 GMT -5
I’m really hating the trades this year. I get it from breslow’s perspective as Chaim got canned for repeated inaction at deadlines but I think if you’re gonna buy you should really buy but don’t just keep throwing away top 30 prospects for rentals who aren’t even good. Let’s be real though — the cost for a RP better than Sims would be an absolutely wild cost.
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Post by tedf on Jul 30, 2024 12:57:34 GMT -5
I get that Sims is a kinda mid, but damn, this team needs some sort of arms that aren’t named Horn, Wingenter, Weissert, etc Nothing wrong with Weissert that an occasional day off won't fix.
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Post by chaimtime on Jul 30, 2024 12:57:50 GMT -5
I like the Sims addition—the stuff is undeniable and hopefully Fenway helps him keep the homers to a minimum—but Portes is a tough one to see go. He’s a long way off but I think he’s got oodles of potential.
Someone in the trade deadline thread said something about trading Pivetta to a team that loves Stuff+ but I’m not sure there are very many teams in baseball that love pitch modeling more than the Red Sox. This trade makes a lot of sense on that front.
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Post by thegoodthebadthesox on Jul 30, 2024 12:58:21 GMT -5
Calling Sims “not good” despite clearly good data on his stuff and a flaw that in theory the org’s new pitching philosophy could help with is a pretty wild overreaction, even if it’s a steep price and I’m not in love with the trade.
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Post by dirtywaterinla on Jul 30, 2024 12:59:02 GMT -5
I get that Sims is a kinda mid, but damn, this team needs some sort of arms that aren’t named Horn, Wingenter, Weissert, etc Nothing wrong with Weissert that an occasional day off won't fix. I dunno about that one. He’s been pretty awful in any situation no matter how much rest since pretty much May.
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Post by christianarroyossock on Jul 30, 2024 12:59:05 GMT -5
I’m really hating the trades this year. I get it from breslow’s perspective as Chaim got canned for repeated inaction at deadlines but I think if you’re gonna buy you should really buy but don’t just keep throwing away top 30 prospects for rentals who aren’t even good. Let’s be real though — the cost for a RP better than Sims would be an absolutely wild cost. Absolutely, I don’t even think we should be buying this year honestly but if they are gonna buy I’d rather them buy for real.
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Post by rhswanzey on Jul 30, 2024 12:59:09 GMT -5
Our bullpen ERA is almost 7 in July - worst in MLB - a veteran low/mid lev RHP can’t help??
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Post by LoneStarSox on Jul 30, 2024 13:00:06 GMT -5
Knee jerk reaction, Portes just started flashing so this stinks. But, in the end, TINSTAAPP.
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Post by chaimtime on Jul 30, 2024 13:00:11 GMT -5
Interesting, negative WAR with no control. Well, that's underselling him. Career 10.6 K/9 and 4.6 BB/9 and 2.6 fWAR in 292 IP. Numbers are a touch down this year, but relievers are so high variance I'm not sweating it yet. He's a lot better by xERA than by FIP, so either Cincinatti's defense is garbage (no clue, but it's great at SS this year!), or he's had bad luck, or he's been uncommonly good at stranding runners (true the last two years), or some combination of those. He's at least an MLB caliber arm and we only needed to give up our #29 prospect to get him, albeit one with some helium. Playing in GAB probably doesn’t help either. He’s had a huge spike in home run rate this year.
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Post by soxpatsceltics on Jul 30, 2024 13:00:23 GMT -5
95th percentile in average EV allowed which is probably how he gets away with his low GB rate. High k rate guy for an A-ball reliever that if we're being real has a 90% chance of not even making the league sure that's fine. Can't be the only move though
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Post by scottysmalls on Jul 30, 2024 13:01:38 GMT -5
Sims is fine I think he can help a little bit but it also seems like he should've been available for basically free and they traded one of the better pitching prospects in the org for him.
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