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Post by chaimtime on Jul 30, 2024 13:02:06 GMT -5
95th percentile in average EV allowed which is probably how he gets away with his low GB rate. High k rate guy for an A-ball reliever that if we're being real has a 90% chance of even making the league sure if fine. Can't be the only move though Luckily they have already made several other moves
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Post by dirtywaterinla on Jul 30, 2024 13:02:12 GMT -5
Let’s be real though — the cost for a RP better than Sims would be an absolutely wild cost. Absolutely, I don’t even think we should be buying this year honestly but if they are gonna buy I’d rather them buy for real. Eh, I disagree. The team has a legit shot at the playoffs this year, so even if it means buying at the margins, I’m all for it. Obvious that a balance needs to be struck here as the team doesn’t need to full out buy when you have such great prospect capital and the market ask is so exorbitant.
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Post by bmoneyproblemz on Jul 30, 2024 13:02:46 GMT -5
Portes seemed like he was making a big step, but is still pretty far away so I'm ok with this. Ask me in 4 years though
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Post by Addam603 on Jul 30, 2024 13:03:16 GMT -5
Glass Half Empty: A rental reliever with bad walk numbers cost us a top 30 prospect with helium (19 years old and pitching well in Salem).
Glass Half Full: We were able to get a reliever with really good stuff for only one low-A pitcher. In this market, that’s pretty good. Also, TINSTAAPP.
Don’t love it, don’t hate it. It’s the cost of doing business nowadays.
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Post by scottysmalls on Jul 30, 2024 13:03:18 GMT -5
Will say though, the RP market is pretty crazy it seems, so if this was the cheapest guy who you can be reasonably certain is some improvement I guess it is what it is.
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Post by soxfaninnj on Jul 30, 2024 13:06:43 GMT -5
Don’t like it
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Post by johnsilver52 on Jul 30, 2024 13:07:02 GMT -5
Our bullpen ERA is almost 7 in July - worst in MLB - a veteran low/mid lev RHP can’t help?? Look at what that mid level reliever Jason Adam cost the Padres a couple days ago. It was astronomicaly high.
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Post by julyanmorley on Jul 30, 2024 13:08:10 GMT -5
Will say though, the RP market is pretty crazy it seems, so if this was the cheapest guy who you can be reasonably certain is some improvement I guess it is what it is. I would have waited until the buzzer. Not all these guys are going to fetch dumb returns.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jul 30, 2024 13:09:35 GMT -5
Portes has high walk numbers too but at his age he could turn that around although he might not, but he isnt a finished product like Sims.
The move is marginal. I like him better than a lot of tne guys they auditioned but hes not somebody I'd trust on high leverage situations.
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Post by briam on Jul 30, 2024 13:09:37 GMT -5
Interesting, negative WAR with no control. Not negative bWAR. 0.8. That doesn’t seem so bad to me. Fangraphs for pitchers, bREF for hitters.
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Post by finaliz3d on Jul 30, 2024 13:12:08 GMT -5
I'm pretty happy overall with this, when fully healthy we're looking at a bullpen of:
LM: Cooper Criswell RP: Brennan Bernardino/Cam Booser RP: Zack Kelly RP: Lucas Sims RP: Justin Slaten RP: Chris Martin SU: Liam Hendriks CL: Kenley Jansen
that's a playoff quality bullpen, if we could just get a better a competent lefty middle reliever i'd be pretty happy with everything.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Jul 30, 2024 13:12:16 GMT -5
Where exactly is a no control reliever going to help? Blowouts? I guess they got a guy for when they need to burn an arm.
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Post by ixnayexxus on Jul 30, 2024 13:13:22 GMT -5
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Post by notstarboard on Jul 30, 2024 13:13:50 GMT -5
Looks like he added a cutter about a month ago and it has a .121 xwOBA against over 48 total pitches. For the year he uses his 4SFB 36% of the time and that has a .359 xwOBA against. I'm no rocket surgeon, but good lord Cincinatti, the fact that it took them six years to develop that cutter 🤌
I have switched from neutral/warm on this trade to much more wholeheartedly warm.
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Post by alexcorahomevideo on Jul 30, 2024 13:14:24 GMT -5
Where exactly is a no control reliever going to help? Blowouts? I guess they got a guy for when they need to burn an arm. He’s probably the best they could get for what they can afford. I’m not sure how much they are under the luxury tax but they probably aren’t allowed to exceed it. So this is what we get. But on the other hand this isn’t the team you want to go all in on.
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Post by trotman on Jul 30, 2024 13:15:48 GMT -5
For the price pitchers are going for this seems reasonable and painless.
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Post by cba82 on Jul 30, 2024 13:15:50 GMT -5
I'm pretty happy overall with this, when fully healthy we're looking at a bullpen of: LM: Cooper Criswell RP: Brennan Bernardino/Cam Booser RP: Zack Kelly RP: Lucas Sims RP: Justin Slaten RP: Chris Martin SU: Liam Hendriks CL: Kenley Jansen that's a playoff quality bullpen, if we could just get a better a competent lefty middle reliever i'd be pretty happy with everything. We can dream on Liam Hendricks, but I think we’ll see him next in Ft. Myers.
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Post by thelpc on Jul 30, 2024 13:16:28 GMT -5
I saw people saying his control isn’t great. How bad are his BB numbers? There’s nothing I hate more than relievers who can’t throw strikes so that’s a bit concerning for me
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Jul 30, 2024 13:16:45 GMT -5
Where exactly is a no control reliever going to help? Blowouts? I guess they got a guy for when they need to burn an arm. He’s probably the best they could get for what they can afford. I’m not sure how much they are under the luxury tax but they probably aren’t allowed to exceed it. So this is what we get. But on the other hand this isn’t the team you want to go all in on. I agree with this, which is why I'm on team sell, but if they're not going to sell then I want to see real moves that will impact this team greatly. This is marginal at best.
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Post by Underwater Johnson on Jul 30, 2024 13:17:00 GMT -5
I’m really hating the trades this year. I get it from breslow’s perspective as Chaim got canned for repeated inaction at deadlines but I think if you’re gonna buy you should really buy but don’t just keep throwing away top 30 prospects for rentals who aren’t even good. Let’s be real though — the cost for a RP better than Sims would be an absolutely wild cost. Very true! Can’t wait to find out how much that is!
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Jul 30, 2024 13:17:27 GMT -5
That actually makes me feel worse about the move.
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Post by finaliz3d on Jul 30, 2024 13:18:22 GMT -5
I'm pretty happy overall with this, when fully healthy we're looking at a bullpen of: LM: Cooper Criswell RP: Brennan Bernardino/Cam Booser RP: Zack Kelly RP: Lucas Sims RP: Justin Slaten RP: Chris Martin SU: Liam Hendriks CL: Kenley Jansen that's a playoff quality bullpen, if we could just get a better a competent lefty middle reliever i'd be pretty happy with everything. We can dream on Liam Hendricks, but I think we’ll see him next in Ft. Myers. maybe, if he doesn't come back this season then... Pivetta to the bullpen if you get another starter in the next four hours (probably not at these prices mind you)
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Post by ramireja on Jul 30, 2024 13:23:01 GMT -5
I would have preferred they trade from their 40-man eligible pool of players (swap with Luis Guerrero?), but understand that some teams might prefer lower level guys who aren't 40-man eligible so perhaps was not an option. Still though, 19-year-olds that touch 99+ with a plus secondary pitch don't grow on trees.
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Post by notstarboard on Jul 30, 2024 13:23:06 GMT -5
Looks like he added a cutter about a month ago and it has a .121 xwOBA against over 48 total pitches. For the year he uses his 4SFB 36% of the time and that has a .359 xwOBA against. I'm no rocket surgeon, but good lord Cincinatti, the fact that it took them six years to develop that cutter 🤌 I have switched from neutral/warm on this trade to much more wholeheartedly warm. Over 9.2 IP since he added the cutter:
10.2 KK/9 3.7 BB/9 0 HR/9 2 XBH
2.79 ERA despite a .393 BABIP
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Post by incandenza on Jul 30, 2024 13:24:33 GMT -5
Our bullpen ERA is almost 7 in July - worst in MLB - a veteran low/mid lev RHP can’t help?? By the same token, I would have been totally fine with them just counting on regression and the injured guys coming back; they shouldn't have a 7 ERA the rest of the season with or without Sims.
I'm also not buying peripherals- or stuff- or Bailey-based arguments about Sims. He's a 30 year old reliever with a long track record; he is what he is - which, according to all the projections, is a replacement-level reliever.
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