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Post by ericmvan on Aug 2, 2024 14:00:23 GMT -5
Must-read story by (who else?) Alex Speier in today's (8/2) Globe. Can you name all of Nick's predecessors in the 2B vs. LHP role?
Sogard was rocking a .303 / .407 / .484 when he had a brutal stretch from June 22 to the ASB -- .155 / .279 / .224. But since then he's been his standard self, .310 / .375 / .476.
If they end up with a Jansen / Refsnyder / Smith bench when Casas returns, the Sogard vs. Romy G. competition for the last spot will be interesting.
Answer: Pablo Reses, Zack Short, Vaughn Grissom, Jamie Westbrook, Romy Gonzalez. Sixth time's the charm?
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Post by puzzler on Aug 2, 2024 14:20:09 GMT -5
Must-read story by (who else?) Alex Speier in today's (8/2) Globe. Can you name all of Nick's predecessors in the 2B vs. LHP role?
Sogard was rocking a .303 / .407 / .484 when he had a brutal stretch from June 22 to the ASB -- .155 / .279 / .224. But since then he's been his standard self, .310 / .375 / .476.
If they end up with a Jansen / Refsnyder / Smith bench when Casas returns, the Sogard vs. Romy G. competition for the last spot will be interesting.
Answer: Pablo Reses, Zack Short, Vaughn Grissom, Jamie Westbrook, Romy Gonzalez. Sixth time's the charm?
I wonder if part of the problem is that for most of these guys it has been a platoon. Even Hamilton who is the RHP role; not playing everyday could be having an impact. Does Sogard have a chance, temporarily, to steal Hamilton's at bats as well since he is a switch hitter? He's better against right handers than left handers and he's been better this year against right handers than Hamilton has. Now Hamilton may be a better defender (?) and he definitely has more pop than Sogard. |
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Post by dirtywaterinla on Aug 2, 2024 14:23:41 GMT -5
Must-read story by (who else?) Alex Speier in today's (8/2) Globe. Can you name all of Nick's predecessors in the 2B vs. LHP role?
Sogard was rocking a .303 / .407 / .484 when he had a brutal stretch from June 22 to the ASB -- .155 / .279 / .224. But since then he's been his standard self, .310 / .375 / .476.
If they end up with a Jansen / Refsnyder / Smith bench when Casas returns, the Sogard vs. Romy G. competition for the last spot will be interesting.
Answer: Pablo Reses, Zack Short, Vaughn Grissom, Jamie Westbrook, Romy Gonzalez. Sixth time's the charm?
Unless Sogard absolutely catches fire the next couple of weeks, I have a very hard time seeing him staying when Casas is back seeing Romy has been generally really great off the bench. At this point, I’d prefer to see Hamilton go down. I know his speed his elite, but his bat has regressed in a big way lately. My ideal bench when Casas is back: Jansen Romy Sogard/Dom (tough call here if Dom keeps swinging a hot bat) Refsynder If and when Grissom comes back, then cut Dom or Sogard. |
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Post by thegoodthebadthesox on Aug 2, 2024 14:27:53 GMT -5
Wow, you could've told me that Pablo Reyes played his last game in a Sox uniform in 2022 and I'd believe you.
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Post by dirtywaterinla on Aug 2, 2024 14:28:07 GMT -5
Must-read story by (who else?) Alex Speier in today's (8/2) Globe. Can you name all of Nick's predecessors in the 2B vs. LHP role?
Sogard was rocking a .303 / .407 / .484 when he had a brutal stretch from June 22 to the ASB -- .155 / .279 / .224. But since then he's been his standard self, .310 / .375 / .476.
If they end up with a Jansen / Refsnyder / Smith bench when Casas returns, the Sogard vs. Romy G. competition for the last spot will be interesting.
Answer: Pablo Reses, Zack Short, Vaughn Grissom, Jamie Westbrook, Romy Gonzalez. Sixth time's the charm?
I wonder if part of the problem is that for most of these guys it has been a platoon. Even Hamilton who is the RHP role; not playing everyday could be having an impact. Does Sogard have a chance, temporarily, to steal Hamilton's at bats as well since he is a switch hitter? He's better against right handers than left handers and he's been better this year against right handers than Hamilton has. Now Hamilton may be a better defender (?) and he definitely has more pop than Sogard. I don’t know what Sogard’s glove looks like but I’d be willing to bet it’s better than Hamilton’s. |
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Post by Darwin's Curve on Aug 2, 2024 14:32:55 GMT -5
I wonder if part of the problem is that for most of these guys it has been a platoon. Even Hamilton who is the RHP role; not playing everyday could be having an impact. Does Sogard have a chance, temporarily, to steal Hamilton's at bats as well since he is a switch hitter? He's better against right handers than left handers and he's been better this year against right handers than Hamilton has. Now Hamilton may be a better defender (?) and he definitely has more pop than Sogard. There's a pretty clear tension between ML development at bats, winning this season, and the current MI scrum. If you look at them all in terms of both raw tools all past MiL performance, Sogard is not grading out above Grissom or even Hamilton. And ultimately, I think that's what the Sox want going into the post-season (ideally) and perhaps also for next year: 1) A healthy hitting-to-his-potential Grissom at 2B, with, 2) a UT/MI player providing adequate fielding and hitting backup (and playing SS while Story is out). I'd have to think the second role is held by Romy/Hamilton with Valdez/Sogard/others being seen as the less likely to be successful options. So I don't think you marginalize either by starting Sogard over them (except to rest them.) All that said if Sogard gets blisteringly hot and forces the issue, more power to him. But I hope we don't see him for long, since that means positive developments for the other players. |
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Post by dirtywaterinla on Aug 2, 2024 14:44:29 GMT -5
Must-read story by (who else?) Alex Speier in today's (8/2) Globe. Can you name all of Nick's predecessors in the 2B vs. LHP role?
Sogard was rocking a .303 / .407 / .484 when he had a brutal stretch from June 22 to the ASB -- .155 / .279 / .224. But since then he's been his standard self, .310 / .375 / .476.
If they end up with a Jansen / Refsnyder / Smith bench when Casas returns, the Sogard vs. Romy G. competition for the last spot will be interesting.
Answer: Pablo Reses, Zack Short, Vaughn Grissom, Jamie Westbrook, Romy Gonzalez. Sixth time's the charm?
Unless Sogard absolutely catches fire the next couple of weeks, I have a very hard time seeing him staying when Casas is back seeing Romy has been generally really great off the bench. At this point, I’d prefer to see Hamilton go down. I know his speed his elite, but his bat has regressed in a big way lately. My ideal bench when Casas is back: Jansen Romy Sogard/Dom (tough call here if Dom keeps swinging a hot bat) Refsynder If and when Grissom comes back, then cut Dom or Sogard. Btw I wouldn’t be surprised once Grissom’s rehab assignment is up that they assign him to AAA then call him up in Sept when rosters expand. This would allow the team to hold onto Dom for the rest of the year if they choose to do so. |
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Post by incandenza on Aug 2, 2024 14:52:19 GMT -5
Must-read story by (who else?) Alex Speier in today's (8/2) Globe. Can you name all of Nick's predecessors in the 2B vs. LHP role?
Sogard was rocking a .303 / .407 / .484 when he had a brutal stretch from June 22 to the ASB -- .155 / .279 / .224. But since then he's been his standard self, .310 / .375 / .476.
If they end up with a Jansen / Refsnyder / Smith bench when Casas returns, the Sogard vs. Romy G. competition for the last spot will be interesting.
Romy: 113 wRC+ in MLB. Sogard: 115 wRC+ in AAA Romy: fast. Sogard: not that fast Defense is probably a wash?
I don't see this competition as particularly close.
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Post by dirtywaterinla on Aug 2, 2024 14:53:58 GMT -5
Must-read story by (who else?) Alex Speier in today's (8/2) Globe. Can you name all of Nick's predecessors in the 2B vs. LHP role?
Sogard was rocking a .303 / .407 / .484 when he had a brutal stretch from June 22 to the ASB -- .155 / .279 / .224. But since then he's been his standard self, .310 / .375 / .476.
If they end up with a Jansen / Refsnyder / Smith bench when Casas returns, the Sogard vs. Romy G. competition for the last spot will be interesting.
Romy: 113 wRC+ in MLB. Sogard: 115 wRC+ in AAA Romy: fast. Sogard: not that fast Defense is probably a wash?
I don't see this competition as particularly close.
Not to mention Romy hits the ball WAY harder. Sogard’s exit velos are pretty bad. |
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Post by scottysmalls on Aug 2, 2024 15:35:48 GMT -5
I wonder if part of the problem is that for most of these guys it has been a platoon. Even Hamilton who is the RHP role; not playing everyday could be having an impact. Does Sogard have a chance, temporarily, to steal Hamilton's at bats as well since he is a switch hitter? He's better against right handers than left handers and he's been better this year against right handers than Hamilton has. Now Hamilton may be a better defender (?) and he definitely has more pop than Sogard. I don’t know what Sogard’s glove looks like but I’d be willing to bet it’s better than Hamilton’s. Hamilton's been a pretty good defender at 2B so I wouldn't be so sure. |
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Post by trotman on Aug 2, 2024 15:37:40 GMT -5
Unless Sogard absolutely catches fire the next couple of weeks, I have a very hard time seeing him staying when Casas is back seeing Romy has been generally really great off the bench. At this point, I’d prefer to see Hamilton go down. I know his speed his elite, but his bat has regressed in a big way lately. My ideal bench when Casas is back: Jansen Romy Sogard/Dom (tough call here if Dom keeps swinging a hot bat) Refsynder If and when Grissom comes back, then cut Dom or Sogard. Btw I wouldn’t be surprised once Grissom’s rehab assignment is up that they assign him to AAA then call him up in Sept when rosters expand. This would allow the team to hold onto Dom for the rest of the year if they choose to do so. Unless something has changed recently that's been the plan. Jen McCaffrey said he would be assigned and there was another beat writer who said the same. |
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Post by nonothing on Aug 2, 2024 15:55:25 GMT -5
Must-read story by (who else?) Alex Speier in today's (8/2) Globe. Can you name all of Nick's predecessors in the 2B vs. LHP role?
Sogard was rocking a .303 / .407 / .484 when he had a brutal stretch from June 22 to the ASB -- .155 / .279 / .224. But since then he's been his standard self, .310 / .375 / .476.
If they end up with a Jansen / Refsnyder / Smith bench when Casas returns, the Sogard vs. Romy G. competition for the last spot will be interesting.
Romy: 113 wRC+ in MLB. Sogard: 115 wRC+ in AAA Romy: fast. Sogard: not that fast Defense is probably a wash?
I don't see this competition as particularly close.
Sogard hits against both hands of pitchers. Romy is protected from RHP a fair bit. What is missing from the conversation is that if Sogard can play against either hand of pitching, you may get more value from Sogard and Smith than from Romy and Hammy. I think that is a real question. A lot in the playoffs will be determined by whether Casas, Story and/or Grissom come back healthy. Trying Sogard out as a switch hitter who is very versatile defensively could enable a better bench because one guy doing the same job as two has real value. It isn't as simple as Sogard vs Romy or Hammy. It's rest of team + Sogard vs. rest of team + others. It's a team sport with limited roster spots, not an individual skills competition... ...though as a fan of "the steal," I will say having burners to swipe a bag or to be the runner in the 10th (the more burners, the better), is part of the team calculus, as well as defense... and then, sure, who is the 13th best hitter. |
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Post by blizzards39 on Aug 2, 2024 16:21:16 GMT -5
Btw I wouldn’t be surprised once Grissom’s rehab assignment is up that they assign him to AAA then call him up in Sept when rosters expand. This would allow the team to hold onto Dom for the rest of the year if they choose to do so. Unless something has changed recently that's been the plan. Jen McCaffrey said he would be assigned and there was another beat writer who said the same. Cant let Dom go. Juat in case Casas has a setback. |
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Post by nonothing on Aug 2, 2024 17:52:16 GMT -5
Unless something has changed recently that's been the plan. Jen McCaffrey said he would be assigned and there was another beat writer who said the same. Cant let Dom go. Juat in case Casas has a setback. I cannot imagine they would. Casas could take 1AB and be out again. No way they take a chance of losing Dom. He has been great and seems a good fit for the team. That's why I think Sogard is such a good add for them. |
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Post by oldfaithful2019 on Aug 2, 2024 17:56:37 GMT -5
Cant let Dom go. Juat in case Casas has a setback. I cannot imagine they would. Casas could take 1AB and be out again. No way they take a chance of losing Dom. He has been great and seems a good fit for the team. That's why I think Sogard is such a good add for them. Dom has been one of the best 13 position players on the team. I don't see that changing this season. You have to keep him. |
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Post by scottysmalls on Aug 2, 2024 18:00:18 GMT -5
I think they keep Smith until the playoffs, but if everyone is healthy I don't see a way he's on that roster, assuming they make it.
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Post by blizzards39 on Aug 2, 2024 18:23:41 GMT -5
I think they keep Smith until the playoffs, but if everyone is healthy I don't see a way he's on that roster, assuming they make it. Maybe. Also keep in mind you probably only take 11ish pitchers into a given serries |
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Post by scottysmalls on Aug 2, 2024 18:41:09 GMT -5
I think they keep Smith until the playoffs, but if everyone is healthy I don't see a way he's on that roster, assuming they make it. Maybe. Also keep in mind you probably only take 11ish pitchers into a given serries is that allowed? I thought you had to have 13 now |
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Post by asm18 on Aug 2, 2024 18:47:57 GMT -5
Maybe. Also keep in mind you probably only take 11ish pitchers into a given serries is that allowed? I thought you had to have 13 now 13 is the maximum. I don’t recall there being a minimum, but I suppose there hasn’t really been much incentive to use less. Maybe in a 3 game Wild Card series you might not need 13 |
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Post by blizzards39 on Aug 2, 2024 20:07:42 GMT -5
Nice work young man and congrats
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Post by blizzards39 on Aug 2, 2024 20:10:16 GMT -5
is that allowed? I thought you had to have 13 now 13 is the maximum. I don’t recall there being a minimum, but I suppose there hasn’t really been much incentive to use less. Maybe in a 3 game Wild Card series you might not need 13 No playoff team ever carries 13. First off you never use a 5th starter ( within a given serries). And with extra off days you also tend to use less relievers to. |
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Post by pd on Aug 2, 2024 20:20:34 GMT -5
Big single to drive in 2 in his 2nd AB.
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Post by asm18 on Aug 2, 2024 22:29:07 GMT -5
I had forgotten that amidst the rosters only expanding from 26 to 28, one of the two has to be a position player. Unless they’re really deadset on Tyler Heineman or Reese McGuire (outrighted to Worcester today), wonder if Sogard will be in the mix for that spot alongside Grissom/Valdez/Dom Smith (if they hold onto him upon Casas’ return)
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Post by ericmvan on Aug 3, 2024 1:24:20 GMT -5
I cannot imagine they would. Casas could take 1AB and be out again. No way they take a chance of losing Dom. He has been great and seems a good fit for the team. That's why I think Sogard is such a good add for them. Dom has been one of the best 13 position players on the team. I don't see that changing this season. You have to keep him. As I said when they traded for Jansen, they'll have room for Dom on the 26-man after Carsas is activated is activated because they got their lefty-killer without eating up a roster spot. |
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Post by ericmvan on Aug 3, 2024 1:50:37 GMT -5
Must-read story by (who else?) Alex Speier in today's (8/2) Globe. Can you name all of Nick's predecessors in the 2B vs. LHP role?
Sogard was rocking a .303 / .407 / .484 when he had a brutal stretch from June 22 to the ASB -- .155 / .279 / .224. But since then he's been his standard self, .310 / .375 / .476.had
If they end up with a Jansen / Refsnyder / Smith bench when Casas returns, the Sogard vs. Romy G. competition for the last spot will be interesting.
Romy: 113 wRC+ in MLB. Sogard: 115 wRC+ in AAA Romy: fast. Sogard: not that fast Defense is probably a wash?
I don't see this competition as particularly close.
Sogrd had 140 PA from 5/14 to 6/21 and slashed .378 / .464 / .651. The league may have caught up to him, but as I mentioned he was was working on .851 OPS when he arrived. It will be interesting to see how well he hits, which wasn't true of any of his predecessors other than Grissom. I agree that beating out Romy is a longshot. |
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