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Post by soxfansince67 on Aug 11, 2024 11:53:48 GMT -5
Playoff odds 35% on FanGraphs
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Post by cdj on Aug 11, 2024 11:58:29 GMT -5
Cause Cora is the one pitching every game, so it must be his fault… Sorry, but I really don’t see the logic in how the play since the All Star break is Cora’s fault. The pitching has been poor, but it has been exacerbated by poor decisions on who to use and when. In related news, Enmanuel Valdez is hitting second today 🤡 Look at his numbers since the start of June and you will see why Valdez is hitting 2nd (.315 with walks, limited K’s, and pop) over his last 80+ AB’s or so
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Post by scottysmalls on Aug 11, 2024 12:07:35 GMT -5
The pitching has been poor, but it has been exacerbated by poor decisions on who to use and when. In related news, Enmanuel Valdez is hitting second today 🤡 Look at his numbers since the start of June and you will see why Valdez is hitting 2nd (.315 with walks, limited K’s, and pop) over his last 80+ AB’s or so Yup second on the team in wRC+ only to Devers since June 1 at 166, and has an xwOBA to match along with a 13% BB / 14% K rate.
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Post by prospectjunkie21 on Aug 11, 2024 12:15:53 GMT -5
Pulling Houck at 82 pitches last night... no sacrifice bunt tonight. Banner series for Cora who has not been good since the all star break in game.... Cause Cora is the one pitching every game, so it must be his fault… Sorry, but I really don’t see the logic in how the play since the All Star break is Cora’s fault. Two things can be true at the same time. The pitching has been bad but Cora has misused the pitching and exacerbated the pitching problems w his usage. Additionally, not bunting the runner to third yesterday facing a guy who strikes out 39 percent of batters he faces was a poor choice. The bullpen has been bad but routinely going to Kelly in important spots, or Bernardino who have both been awful for over a month, and pulling pitchers too early or too late has been an issue. Furthermore going to the pen so much earlier in the year and expecting to get 5 innings a night out of them and not burn them out is a bold strategy that hasn't paid off.
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Post by rhswanzey on Aug 11, 2024 12:39:57 GMT -5
Oh ffs
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Post by notstarboard on Aug 11, 2024 12:40:15 GMT -5
Look at his numbers since the start of June and you will see why Valdez is hitting 2nd (.315 with walks, limited K’s, and pop) over his last 80+ AB’s or so Yup second on the team in wRC+ only to Devers since June 1 at 166, and has an xwOBA to match along with a 13% BB / 14% K rate. I'm not putting that much stock in an ~80 AB sample, especially since most of that was back in June. If the team really believes that his June is representative of who he'll be going forward, why has he been down at AAA since then?
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Post by cdj on Aug 11, 2024 12:40:17 GMT -5
Paxton injured his leg.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Aug 11, 2024 12:40:33 GMT -5
Whelp....
We need an exorcism for our staff
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Post by cdj on Aug 11, 2024 12:40:43 GMT -5
Yup second on the team in wRC+ only to Devers since June 1 at 166, and has an xwOBA to match along with a 13% BB / 14% K rate. I'm not putting that much stock in an ~80 AB sample, especially since most of that was back in June. If the team really believes that his June is representative of who he'll be going forward, why has he been down at AAA since then? Because he doesn’t have a position (or at least isn’t good defensively) and can’t hit lefties But the Astros are throwing a RHP and he smokes RHP. Hence batting 2nd
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Post by tjb21 on Aug 11, 2024 12:41:58 GMT -5
Man…. bad looking injury. Sucks for JP (and the team)
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Post by julyanmorley on Aug 11, 2024 12:42:02 GMT -5
You know, I've always wanted to see Rich Hill in a Red Sox uniform.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Aug 11, 2024 12:42:09 GMT -5
Time to see if Dick Fitts?
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Post by bellhorndingers21 on Aug 11, 2024 12:42:46 GMT -5
Not pushing off his forefoot. That has to be his Achilles.
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Post by oldfaithful2019 on Aug 11, 2024 12:43:06 GMT -5
Oh no...
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Post by notstarboard on Aug 11, 2024 12:43:38 GMT -5
I'm not putting that much stock in an ~80 AB sample, especially since most of that was back in June. If the team really believes that his June is representative of who he'll be going forward, why has he been down at AAA since then? Because he doesn’t have a position and can’t hit lefties He could easily take Hamilton's spot on the roster. Hamilton sits against LHP anyway, and Romy, Sogard, and Rafaela can all play SS. I think the team concluded Hamilton was more likely to be productive going forward.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Aug 11, 2024 12:44:27 GMT -5
Unf'ing real.
Paxton is injured again. Well Criswell can start again - oh wait he has covid.
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Post by Oregon Norm on Aug 11, 2024 12:45:21 GMT -5
Peeking in on the games over the last few days. The primary takeaway for me is that the effort to finesse the pitching so as to give their primary starters some rest as they pile on the innings hasn't worked.
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Post by rhswanzey on Aug 11, 2024 12:45:28 GMT -5
Re: the debate of whether this is like 2023 or not
If we have more than just a few planned bullpen games in 2025, I’ll be pissed off. I don’t know how many more simulations we need in order to figure out that running a paper thin starting rotation and repeatedly flirting with the league lead in bullpen innings has a cumulative effect that makes it nearly impossible to stay competitive for several consecutive months.
Also, did anyone else notice how in the offseason, starting pitchers like Flaherty were referred to as uninspired non impact moves, but by the deadline, that one in particular is the top prize available?
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Aug 11, 2024 12:45:33 GMT -5
Jeez, when 72 year old Rich Hill looks like the savior....that's not good.
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Post by notstarboard on Aug 11, 2024 12:45:33 GMT -5
Unf'ing real. Paxton is injured again. Well Criswell can start again - oh wait he has covid. Good thing yesterday was a bullpen game too so our other long guys are unavailable!
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Post by notstarboard on Aug 11, 2024 12:46:42 GMT -5
Re: the debate of whether this is like 2023 or not If we have more than just a few planned bullpen games in 2025, I’ll be pissed off. I don’t know how many more simulations we need in order to figure out that running a paper thin starting pitching and repeatedly flirting with the league leader in bullpen innings has a cumulative effect that makes it really hard to stay competitive for several consecutive months. Also, did anyone else notice how in the offseason, starting pitchers like Flaherty were referred to as uninspired non impact moves, but by the deadline, that one in particular is the top prize available? Flaherty is having a career year. If he produced like years past, he would have been an uninspired, non-impact move.
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Post by cdj on Aug 11, 2024 12:48:10 GMT -5
Because he doesn’t have a position and can’t hit lefties He could easily take Hamilton's spot on the roster. Hamilton sits against LHP anyway, and Romy, Sogard, and Rafaela can all play SS. I think the team concluded Hamilton was more likely to be productive going forward. The argument isn’t how they value him- they almost dealt him for a reliever at the deadline. They clearly don’t look at him as a long term piece. The argument is should he be hitting 2nd today on 8/11 against a RHP. His history against RHP and his numbers since June say that’s completely valid. Hitting RHP is the one tool he has.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Aug 11, 2024 12:48:58 GMT -5
Nightmare scenario. Potential situations like this is why I graded the Sox trading deadline a C. I wanted 2 starters.
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Post by rhswanzey on Aug 11, 2024 12:49:02 GMT -5
Re: the debate of whether this is like 2023 or not If we have more than just a few planned bullpen games in 2025, I’ll be pissed off. I don’t know how many more simulations we need in order to figure out that running a paper thin starting pitching and repeatedly flirting with the league leader in bullpen innings has a cumulative effect that makes it really hard to stay competitive for several consecutive months. Also, did anyone else notice how in the offseason, starting pitchers like Flaherty were referred to as uninspired non impact moves, but by the deadline, that one in particular is the top prize available? Flaherty is having a career year. If he produced like years past, he would have been an uninspired, non-impact move. We entered the year with one pitcher who threw more innings in 2023 than he did (edit, ok, two… Giolito)
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Post by incandenza on Aug 11, 2024 12:49:14 GMT -5
Hey, an 8-pitch first inning - great start for the pitching in this one!
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