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8/9-8/11 Red Sox vs. Astros Series Thread
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Aug 9, 2024 21:05:49 GMT -5
I'm at the point where I'm concerned, even with the crappy starter Houstin is throwing out tomorrow, that the Sox might get swept and find themselves about 4 games out.
The pen has been brutal and he has given away about 5 games since the all star break.
It's not like the rotation has been stellar. Houck was really good tonight, but Crawford is a mess. Bello is still inconsistent. Pivetta is going thru some kind of dead arm and as good as Paxton was last time he hasn't really been that good this season.
Their pitching is killing them. And tonight their inability to hit with runners on hurt badly too, but the offense shouldn't have to score 10 runs a game to win.
The Sox, in my opinion, are better than KC and Minnesota who doesnt have Ryan the rest of the year. They should pass at least one of those teams but if Bailey and company cant figure out the pitching issues soon, they're screwed.
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Post by Foulke_In_Athol on Aug 9, 2024 21:10:55 GMT -5
If I'm the sox I call up Priester, Fitts, or Penrod, to start (I know they wont) the idea of a bullpen game with Keller or Winck starting is so cringe worthy. Who else can give them innings? It could get ugly quick... Maybe it'll rain
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Post by soxfaninnj on Aug 9, 2024 21:11:11 GMT -5
I get good relievers cost an arm and a leg during the season. Hopefully the Red Sox go out this offseason and get a few shut down relievers
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Post by kevfc89 on Aug 9, 2024 21:17:39 GMT -5
If Valdez had drawn that walk this could've gotten real interesting
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Aug 9, 2024 21:19:55 GMT -5
Waste of a strong start by Houck. Aggravatimg.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Aug 9, 2024 21:23:21 GMT -5
Is Simms a guy that can only pitch at home, regardless if it's a hitters park?
For the year: 0.81 ERA home 7.04 ERA away
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Post by soxfansince67 on Aug 9, 2024 21:24:04 GMT -5
I had to go back and look just to see.
Since the AS break - RISP/LOB
0-11, 6 (lost 4-1) - horrible 2-14, 9 (lost 7-6) - horrible 3-14, 10 (lost 9-6) 4-14, 7 (lost 9-8) 2-10, 11 (won 6-0) - bad 1-10, 4 (lost 20-7) - horrible 4-12, 11 (won 9-7) 4-14, 11 (lost 11-8) 0-6, 8 (lost 8-2) - horrible 7-9, 3 (won 14-7) (good effort) 4-15, 8 (lost 10-6) 2-9, 11 (won 3-2) - bad 3-9, 6 (won 11-6) 3-11, 10 (lost 7-4) 1-6, 7 (won, 7-2) - horrible 6-13, 8 (won 9-5) (good effort) 3-11, 7 (won 6-5) 1-6, 4 (lost 8-4) - horrible tonight - 1-12, 10 (lost 8-4) horrible
Total - record 8-11 since the AS break. 51 for 206 (.248) RISP - take away the two most effective games - 36 for 184 (.196) RISP - 151 lob (average 8 per game)
Since the AS break - 90 runs given up in the 11 losses. 56 runs scored in those games.
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Post by dirtdog on Aug 9, 2024 21:24:34 GMT -5
Friday nights......ugh
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Post by soxfaninnj on Aug 9, 2024 21:25:34 GMT -5
Questionable baserunning by Brandon Donovan, royals still up 5-4
Edit add: scott 2r double cardinals up 6-5!
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Aug 9, 2024 21:27:13 GMT -5
If I'm the sox I call up Priester, Fitts, or Penrod, to start (I know they wont) the idea of a bullpen game with Keller or Winck starting is so cringe worthy. Who else can give them innings? It could get ugly quick... Maybe it'll rain Priester is out of the question until he can show some consistency in AAA.
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Post by asm18 on Aug 9, 2024 21:28:37 GMT -5
Cardinals just took the lead over KC in the 8th..
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Post by asm18 on Aug 9, 2024 21:33:33 GMT -5
Bullpen availability tomorrow -
Brian Keller, Winck, Bernie, Martin, Kenley
B2B: Sims, Kelley, Garcia, Booser
Can you squeeze 4-5 competent-ish innings from Keller/Winck? Like, theoretically speaking
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Post by congusgambler33 on Aug 9, 2024 21:57:29 GMT -5
this is the 3rd good start from Tanner that the pen blew it for him. Kutter has 2 that the bullpen had blown. Maybe that is why they have not pitched well of late figuring if your bullpen is going to blow a win for you why bust your butt.
I know that it is supposed to be team oriented, but there is a lot of satisfaction in getting a win for a well pitched game. What they say after the game is pablum. i am sure they can't be happy when the bullpen gives the game away.
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Post by dirtdog on Aug 9, 2024 22:03:27 GMT -5
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Post by dirtywaterinla on Aug 9, 2024 22:04:38 GMT -5
I better see a Rich Hill signing next week
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Post by Don Caballero on Aug 9, 2024 22:07:57 GMT -5
What could possibly go wrong?
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Post by soxfansince67 on Aug 9, 2024 22:09:32 GMT -5
So - Winck, Bernie (yikes), Martin, Keller (hope not), Jansen. Gotta hope they get length from Winck. Otherwise we get into the pen soft spots.
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Post by oldfaithful2019 on Aug 9, 2024 22:15:27 GMT -5
Royals loose so at least we maintain relative to 3rd WC. The way things are going in Minn, the Twins may catch the Guardians for 1st place this weekend.
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Post by rhswanzey on Aug 9, 2024 23:56:50 GMT -5
I had to go back and look just to see. Since the AS break - RISP/LOB 0-11, 6 (lost 4-1) - horrible 2-14, 9 (lost 7-6) - horrible 3-14, 10 (lost 9-6) 4-14, 7 (lost 9-8) 2-10, 11 (won 6-0) - bad 1-10, 4 (lost 20-7) - horrible 4-12, 11 (won 9-7) 4-14, 11 (lost 11-8) 0-6, 8 (lost 8-2) - horrible 7-9, 3 (won 14-7) (good effort)4-15, 8 (lost 10-6) 2-9, 11 (won 3-2) - bad 3-9, 6 (won 11-6) 3-11, 10 (lost 7-4) 1-6, 7 (won, 7-2) - horrible 6-13, 8 (won 9-5) (good effort)3-11, 7 (won 6-5) 1-6, 4 (lost 8-4) - horrible tonight - 1-12, 10 (lost 8-4) horrible Total - record 8-11 since the AS break. 51 for 206 (.248) RISP - take away the two most effective games - 36 for 184 (.196) RISP - 151 lob (average 8 per game) Since the AS break - 90 runs given up in the 11 losses. 56 runs scored in those games. Not trying to dump on this work (thanks for accumulating/putting some data to our vibes) Just want to point out that the offense scored six or more runs in one third of the games you identified as bad/horrible. If the offense scores six runs, I have a hard time blaming a loss on the offense. We should win almost every single game scoring six or more runs. The offense has scored six runs or more in an impressive 13 of 19 games since the break, but the team has a 7-6 record in those games. In 2022, there were at least* ten teams that lost six or fewer games all season when scoring six or more runs. *I can only see 25 of the 30 teams in the sample and I’m not going to subscribe, but here is the link. So, this is just a colossal sequencing fail. Some of our best hitting is corresponding with some of our worst pitching. If only we could plug some of these 6+ run games into random days in April and May when we lost 5-4 or something. We did just take three consecutive series against reasonably good teams. I think we are just experiencing what it’s like to pull for a flawed team in a playoff run - this is what it’s like to pull for two thirds of the decent or better teams in baseball. They’ll win the next two games and this one won’t sting so much. We had a lot of these in April and May and then played the best baseball in MLB for seven weeks. There’s most of two months ahead of us.
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Post by incandenza on Aug 10, 2024 0:26:32 GMT -5
I had to go back and look just to see. Since the AS break - RISP/LOB 0-11, 6 (lost 4-1) - horrible 2-14, 9 (lost 7-6) - horrible 3-14, 10 (lost 9-6) 4-14, 7 (lost 9-8) 2-10, 11 (won 6-0) - bad 1-10, 4 (lost 20-7) - horrible 4-12, 11 (won 9-7) 4-14, 11 (lost 11-8) 0-6, 8 (lost 8-2) - horrible 7-9, 3 (won 14-7) (good effort)4-15, 8 (lost 10-6) 2-9, 11 (won 3-2) - bad 3-9, 6 (won 11-6) 3-11, 10 (lost 7-4) 1-6, 7 (won, 7-2) - horrible 6-13, 8 (won 9-5) (good effort)3-11, 7 (won 6-5) 1-6, 4 (lost 8-4) - horrible tonight - 1-12, 10 (lost 8-4) horrible Total - record 8-11 since the AS break. 51 for 206 (.248) RISP - take away the two most effective games - 36 for 184 (.196) RISP - 151 lob (average 8 per game) Since the AS break - 90 runs given up in the 11 losses. 56 runs scored in those games. They're tied for the major league lead in runs scored since the all star break and they're 4th in WPA. I don't really think this is the biggest problem.
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Post by pappyman99 on Aug 10, 2024 7:26:45 GMT -5
There could be pain but I think 3 things need to happen.
1. Crawford needs to find the 10 day dl. He clearly needs rest.
2. Bello probably should not pitch again until 8/16 so another week
3. Manage Houck until the above 2 items are over with and then skip one of his starts.
Then hopefully be all loaded up for August 25th and beyond (while staying afloat for the next 15 days)
Yes that could mean we see Fitts/Priester/Hill but this could be a case where 2-3 losses now leads to 5-6 wins later.
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Post by briam on Aug 10, 2024 9:20:34 GMT -5
I’m trying not to be pessimistic but this really feels like a carbon copy of the last 2 years. Team is playing really well, in the hunt, offense is clicking, and then the pitching hits a brick wall and the lack of depth leads to a death spiral. Hoping this year is different, but it essentially took them turning into the best offense in MLB to stay afloat post ASB, and they’re still chasing a WC spot.
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Post by dirtdog on Aug 10, 2024 9:21:42 GMT -5
Below 500 since. Not a coincidence.
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Post by briam on Aug 10, 2024 9:36:33 GMT -5
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Post by blizzards39 on Aug 10, 2024 10:25:14 GMT -5
The pessimism on here after a loss or 2 is crazy. Sox in good shape. Juat won 3 serries in a row. Generally getting healthier. Improved the holes at the deadline without significant loss. I guarantee other teams fear the Sox. Are we perfect. No. That said, the future looks pretty dam good to me and the nextbstep is making the playoffs and getting these kids feet wet in October.
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