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8/23-8/25 Red Sox vs. Diamondbacks Series Thread
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Post by gregblossersbelly on Aug 23, 2024 11:51:22 GMT -5
Plus, our starters have 5 days rest. And, pen was off yesterday.
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Post by thegoodthebadthesox on Aug 23, 2024 12:23:28 GMT -5
I would consider it an enjoyable season - an interesting season - one of promise for the future. I would also consider it a frustrating season because a bit of a different approach at the trading deadline would have probably put them across the line into the playoffs. But just seeing Rafaela, Abreu, the resurgence of Masa, Houck, Hamilton, Duran, Raffy, the return of Casas made it worthwhile and very different from the past few disappointing teams. It's been a successful season which could have been better if they hadn't traded Portes. We talking about the Portes who has 9 walks in 4 innings since the trade? Yeah, that's the thing that tanked this season for sure.
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Post by notstarboard on Aug 23, 2024 12:45:31 GMT -5
Going back to my post from a few weeks ago: forum.soxprospects.com/post/717655/thread88 wins is what I'm thinking gets them into the playoffs. I said then that all they need to do is keep winning 6 out of 10. How are they doing since? 8-8. Not great, but not a disaster. They just need to go 21-15 to close the season. Here is my question to the universe? If they win 88 but it’s not enough to make the playoffs, do people consider it a successful season? I would, as they would have exceeded preseason expectations and established a clear and defined core for the next few years. But I can see how people would look at the shortcomings of the bullpen and say it could or should have been better. Unequivocally, yes. They would have exceeded most people's expectations, played meaningful baseball all summer, and had a number of young players blossom that will help the team going forward (most critically Duran and Houck, but also guys like Wilyer, Ceddanne, Hamilton, and Slaten). The farm is stocked and the payroll situation is good, so they should be able to add impact talent this offseason via free agency, trades, and/or promotions. The future is also really bright with how young and controllable the roster is.
It would sting that they gave away so many games while barely missing the playoffs, but that wouldn't make the season a failure. Far from it.
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Post by asm18 on Aug 23, 2024 12:55:32 GMT -5
What is up with Zac Gallen this year - breakout in 2022, Cy Young candidate last year, and this year he’s been… merely good?
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Post by wanderingdude on Aug 23, 2024 13:04:07 GMT -5
What is up with Zac Gallen this year - breakout in 2022, Cy Young candidate last year, and this year he’s been… merely good? Was pretty good early in the year, got hurt at the end of May and has been rough since he came back in July.
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Post by thegoodthebadthesox on Aug 23, 2024 13:09:03 GMT -5
Here is my question to the universe? If they win 88 but it’s not enough to make the playoffs, do people consider it a successful season? I would, as they would have exceeded preseason expectations and established a clear and defined core for the next few years. But I can see how people would look at the shortcomings of the bullpen and say it could or should have been better. Unequivocally, yes. They would have exceeded most people's expectations, played meaningful baseball all summer, and had a number of young players blossom that will help the team going forward (most critically Duran and Houck, but also guys like Wilyer, Ceddanne, Hamilton, and Slaten). The farm is stocked and the payroll situation is good, so they should be able to add impact talent this offseason via free agency, trades, and/or promotions. The future is also really bright with how young and controllable the roster is.
It would sting that they gave away so many games while barely missing the playoffs, but that wouldn't make the season a failure. Far from it.
Agreed. To me, the emergence of some key young pieces at the ML level and the Big Four (I’m calling them that now for the sake of ease, I don’t care if anyone else joins me) being so close to the majors has left such a narrow range of outcomes for what this team actually needs going forward that I feel very good about the future. Just spend on pitching and go out and be ready to win 95 next year.
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Post by GyIantosca on Aug 23, 2024 13:16:14 GMT -5
What if a couple of these kids come up late enough not to disturb anything but give the Sox a little boost. That interesting to me.
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Post by Oregon Norm on Aug 23, 2024 13:48:46 GMT -5
Here is my question to the universe? If they win 88 but it’s not enough to make the playoffs, do people consider it a successful season? I would, as they would have exceeded preseason expectations and established a clear and defined core for the next few years. But I can see how people would look at the shortcomings of the bullpen and say it could or should have been better. I would also. My projection was 85 wins - and I was on the high side given the dumpster fire in many of the threads before the season started. I'm still waiting for the mea culpa's from the media "gurus" who quickly moved on from their endless trade noise. Instead the Sox moved on themselves, stocking up on minor league pitching talent, and counting on their young position players to deliver which they have. The season feels good and with what's coming on in the near future, I'll bet it will feel even better going forward.
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Post by cdj on Aug 23, 2024 13:52:27 GMT -5
Duran Abreu Casas Devers TON Yoshida Jansen Hamilton Rafaela SS
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Post by keninten on Aug 23, 2024 14:01:50 GMT -5
Duran Abreu Casas Devers TON Yoshida Jansen Hamilton Rafaela SS Nothing Wong with that lineup.
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Post by benogliviesbrother on Aug 23, 2024 14:03:58 GMT -5
A simple offensive snapshot:
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Post by cdj on Aug 23, 2024 14:06:19 GMT -5
Joely is back, Weissert optioned
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Post by wkdbigsoxfan on Aug 23, 2024 14:11:09 GMT -5
Joely is back, Weissert optioned That’s not Zach Penrod
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Post by johnsilver52 on Aug 23, 2024 14:19:02 GMT -5
Joely is back, Weissert optioned No reasonable excuse for this. DFA? Yeah, that guy has no buisness being on the Sox roster..period and another example of why continue posting about nonsenser moves made by the Sox FO, which bizarre would be way too polite.
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Post by asm18 on Aug 23, 2024 14:24:27 GMT -5
Corbin Carroll with a .188/.265/.319 slashline vs lefties, and Joc Pederson - though excellent against lefties year - still over a career has a massive platoon split. Sooo… Godspeed Joely
Quietly, Danny Jansen is slated to have started at catcher 4 out of the last 6 games
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Post by cba82 on Aug 23, 2024 14:35:06 GMT -5
What if a couple of these kids come up late enough not to disturb anything but give the Sox a little boost. That interesting to me. And they replace who on the roster? Especially with Trevor Story maybe coming back?
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Post by julyanmorley on Aug 23, 2024 14:53:58 GMT -5
Quietly, Danny Jansen is slated to have started at catcher 4 out of the last 6 games
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Post by soxfansince67 on Aug 23, 2024 15:20:09 GMT -5
Weissert to Woo, hello again to Joely! Yikes!
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Post by julyanmorley on Aug 23, 2024 15:21:36 GMT -5
Yess. Jansen will not only play for both teams, he will be the batter and catcher in the same plate appearance.
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Post by seamus on Aug 23, 2024 15:33:57 GMT -5
Yess. Jansen will not only play for both teams, he will be the batter and catcher in the same plate appearance. Seems like a conflict of interest. Better hope he doesn't tell himself what pitch he's calling.
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Post by bojacksoxfan on Aug 23, 2024 15:53:04 GMT -5
Yess. Jansen will not only play for both teams, he will be the batter and catcher in the same plate appearance. I believe that last part is not technically true. Because it was early in the count, his replacement will get full credit for the PA. If he was deeper in the count - say 2 strikes - and the batter stuck out, then Jansen would have been the batter as well.
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Post by soxinjersey on Aug 23, 2024 16:05:04 GMT -5
Let's add some perspective to this discussion of the current state of the team. For me, and I suspect for many others, the shadow of the 2018 team has hung over the Sox in recent years because we hoped in that wondrous Fall of 2018 that we were seeing the beginning of a dynasty. 2021 renewed those hopes, but we know the rest.
So where are we today? Only Raffy remains from 2018. From 2021, on the current MLB roster, amazingly, we have only Raffy, Pivetta (155 IP), Houck (69 IP), and Duran (107 AB with a .577 OPS, and not many people on this board imagined he would even be on an MLB roster today).
Whether by design or luck (or a little bit of both), the 2024 team is essentially brand new and creating its own identity. Where the '22 and '23 teams were battling for a last hurrah, this year's team seems to be at the beginning of what could be an exciting chapter in this franchise's great recent history. Seriously, if you had been told how this roster would evolve through this season (with the dissolution early in the season of the infield, its one apparent strength) would you have believed that they could accomplish what they have? And, to my mind, it's not a mirage. We have a lot of good, exciting, confident young players in Boston, and nothing is more fun than a team on the rise, especially with all the reinforcements in Pawtucket.
We'll need some luck, but if we add Story, Hendricks, and Slaten in the next weeks, we could be formidable in October.
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Post by julyanmorley on Aug 23, 2024 16:09:31 GMT -5
Jordan Montgomery has been demoted to the bullpen
1 year/$25M (2024), plus 2025 vesting option
signed by Arizona as a free agent 3/26/24 24:$25M, 25:$20M vesting player option with 10 starts in 2024 (option is $22.5M with 18 starts in 2024, $25M with 23 starts)
He made his 19th start yesterday. I dunno what their depth looks like, but I don't think anybody would have killed them for demoting him before he got to 18 either.
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Post by mobaz on Aug 23, 2024 16:22:51 GMT -5
Jordan Montgomery has been demoted to the bullpen 1 year/$25M (2024), plus 2025 vesting option signed by Arizona as a free agent 3/26/24 24:$25M, 25:$20M vesting player option with 10 starts in 2024 (option is $22.5M with 18 starts in 2024, $25M with 23 starts) He made his 19th start yesterday. I dunno what their depth looks like, but I don't think anybody would have killed them for demoting him before he got to 18 either. I wanted him.
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Post by cdj on Aug 23, 2024 16:30:35 GMT -5
TON scratched, RR in
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