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Post by jdb on Jun 21, 2013 9:13:22 GMT -5
I think as of right now we need to DL Bailey and let him figure out his problems on a DL stint. DFA Mortanson and put Aceves as the long man. Let Miller and Taxawa split some closing duties and see if either can take the bull by the horns and see if Workman or Rubby could be this years Papelbon. We have about 5-6 weeks until we have to give up talent for a pen arm or eat a huge contract.
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Post by pedroelgrande on Jun 21, 2013 17:37:37 GMT -5
I have a hard time seeing them not sign Papelbon and two year later not only spend money on him but also prospects. Its gonna be someone else. Maybe Jesse Crane from the White Sox.
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Post by jimed14 on Jun 25, 2013 1:34:17 GMT -5
I have a hard time seeing them not sign Papelbon and two year later not only spend money on him but also prospects. Its gonna be someone else. Maybe Jesse Crane from the White Sox. Crain is a much better choice than Papelbon IMO. Fangraphs thinks so too. www.fangraphs.com/blogs/forget-jonathan-papelbon-target-jesse-crain/Here's a list of RP who may potentially be traded this season. Fangraphs list of RPIt is sorted by +WPA which is their calculation of increased winning percentage.
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Post by jrffam05 on Jun 25, 2013 13:11:06 GMT -5
I have a hard time seeing them not sign Papelbon and two year later not only spend money on him but also prospects. Its gonna be someone else. Maybe Jesse Crane from the White Sox. Crain is a much better choice than Papelbon IMO. Fangraphs thinks so too. www.fangraphs.com/blogs/forget-jonathan-papelbon-target-jesse-crain/Here's a list of RP who may potentially be traded this season. Fangraphs list of RPIt is sorted by +WPA which is their calculation of increased winning percentage. I think Crain is a great fit for us. I don't care what inning he is pitching. If we don't think Drew is worth a qualifying offer I think we swap Drew for a piece that would net us Crain.
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Post by jdb on Jun 25, 2013 13:54:27 GMT -5
I'd like a trade scenario llike that with Drew.
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Post by tjb21 on Jun 25, 2013 13:55:28 GMT -5
I think Crain is a great fit for us. I don't care what inning he is pitching. If we don't think Drew is worth a qualifying offer I think we swap Drew for a piece that would net us Crain. This. I think the potential QO is a main reason to hold onto Drew. I'm still in the camp that thinks he will be offered one and eventually decline.
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Post by hammerhead on Jun 25, 2013 16:11:39 GMT -5
Why would a team like the White Sox who are out of contention want a player like Drew who's contract expires at the end of the season? Drew is hitting .230, is aging and a rental. They want prospects. Same as the Met's for Parnell Same as the Brewers for K-rod Same as the Phillies for Papelbon The reason these teams are selling off relievers is because they are out of contention and want young, cheap talent in return. I wouldn't trade away prospects until all other avenues are exhausted.
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Post by jdb on Jun 25, 2013 16:34:23 GMT -5
Pretty sure he was meaning a third team like the Reds or Pittsburg gets Drew and sends a prospect to Chicago for Crain. He said net us Crain.
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Post by thegoodthebadthesox on Jun 27, 2013 17:50:02 GMT -5
I'd like Yovani Gallardo if he's available for the right price. Any idea what kind of prospects he'd take?
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Post by pedroelgrande on Jun 27, 2013 21:28:44 GMT -5
I'd like Yovani Gallardo if he's available for the right price. Any idea what kind of prospects he'd take? They are pitching needy so they probably would want a couple of pitchers in that package.
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Post by tjb21 on Jul 1, 2013 13:14:34 GMT -5
I'd like Yovani Gallardo if he's available for the right price. Any idea what kind of prospects he'd take? I'm not a Gallardo fan. K/9 and K% way down this year. Velocity also way down. Don't really have a good feel about what prospects it would take if the FO liked him.
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Post by hammerhead on Jul 1, 2013 14:10:03 GMT -5
yeah, I liked Gallardo till I saw the fangraphs thing about him that implied he may have a physical issue.
I don't want Aramis or more importantly that contract anywhere near this team.
The sox will grab a few odds and ends at the deadline, but nothing earth shattering. Don't mess with a few things unless it's a depth move (bullpen) or a clearly obvious upgrade.
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Post by jrffam05 on Jul 1, 2013 14:33:52 GMT -5
Why would a team like the White Sox who are out of contention want a player like Drew who's contract expires at the end of the season? Drew is hitting .230, is aging and a rental. They want prospects. Same as the Met's for Parnell Same as the Brewers for K-rod Same as the Phillies for Papelbon The reason these teams are selling off relievers is because they are out of contention and want young, cheap talent in return. I wouldn't trade away prospects until all other avenues are exhausted. Sorry if I didn't elaborate enough in my post, I said we swap Drew for a piece that can net us Crain. What I meant was a 3 team trade. On page 2 I talk about trading Drew to the Pirates for a mid level prospect. I was one of the first on the Cliff Lee trade band wagon. I brought it up on trade proposals prior to the series against philles and also in the Philles thread. The condition I was suggesting is we take on the bulk, or all of his salary, and in return we are not giving up top prospects in the trade. That does not look like a possibility. I really don't think there are any major pieces available that make sense for the Sox to add. The only SP out there who are real improvements and have a possibility of being traded are Price and Lee, and they won't come cheap. Young might make sense if we don't expect Middlebrooks back soon and expect to trade Drew or Iggy. Bullpen arms always seem like good adds, but you have to over pay for closers. Crain is a perfect fit, but I wouldn't explore the K-Rod/Gregg route. As of now the only serious upgrades at other positions that could be (not definitely are) available are Mauer and Stanton, and those two would both come at a franchise favorite premium. I don't see the Sox making a big trade this season. I think we trade for a reliever, Ultility IF/3B rental, and a 3rd catcher once rosters expand.
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Post by Legion of Bloom on Jul 2, 2013 1:21:28 GMT -5
I love me some Joe Mauer, mancrush.
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Post by jdb on Jul 2, 2013 11:56:29 GMT -5
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Jul 5, 2013 13:11:12 GMT -5
I keep hearing the sox are in on Garza. Why??? Our rotation is fine? We need a bullpen arm maybe a bat off the bench?
Trading with Theo is such a bad idea
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Post by brianthetaoist on Jul 5, 2013 13:26:48 GMT -5
Rotation's pretty thin at the top until/unless Buchholz comes back healthy to join Lackey. Even at that point, I'd feel better another quality starter (like Garza) since I don't trust Dempster, Lester, or Doubront in the playoffs ... that being said, the cost of "another quality starter" is likely to be higher than it is worth to the Sox, something that I wouldn't want them to pay. But it can't hurt to kick the tires and do some negotiating.
To me, the Sox are a good, deep team that could use two things: top-shelf pitching and a dangerous right-handed power bat. Which, you know, *everyone* wants, which makes them two of the hardest things to acquire in baseball ... so there ya go.
Thinking about the cost of right-handed power bats makes me realize again just how incredibly valuable Xander Bogaerts is as a hot power prospect that can play shortstop. In today's game, that's like the Hope Diamond.
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Post by Legion of Bloom on Jul 5, 2013 13:45:24 GMT -5
Even if we did need "top shelf pitching", which I don't agree at all with that statement, it still doesn't explain why we are interested in Matt Garza. He's very overrated and I would cringe if Ben decided to foolishly give the Cubs a legitimate prospect.
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Jul 5, 2013 14:16:52 GMT -5
Even if we did need "top shelf pitching", which I don't agree at all with that statement, it still doesn't explain why we are interested in Matt Garza. He's very overrated and I would cringe if Ben decided to foolishly give the Cubs a legitimate prospect. Couldn't agree more. Garza is a rental and trading prospects doesn't even fix the problem long term, if there even is one. Buchholz will be back. Lester just had a bad month and even then we can dump him and get someone else in free agency if want to go that route. Lackey pitching like a solid #2 and demps and doubront are very solid 4/5 starters
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Post by rjp313jr on Jul 5, 2013 14:46:48 GMT -5
Sox are in on Garza. The only way it'd make sense to del for him is if you could get away with a package along the lines of Britton and Hazelbaker and maybe evens guy like Kalish if Theo wanted him.point is he doesn't improve the situation enough to warrent anything real valuable going back.
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Post by brianthetaoist on Jul 5, 2013 14:47:20 GMT -5
Even if we did need "top shelf pitching", which I don't agree at all with that statement, it still doesn't explain why we are interested in Matt Garza. He's very overrated and I would cringe if Ben decided to foolishly give the Cubs a legitimate prospect. Well, I called Matt Garza a "quality starter" (which I think he is) and mentioned that I think the Sox could use "top shelf pitching" ... and I agree that those two don't necessarily overlap fully. I don't think Garza's top shelf, really. But I think Garza would likely be better than Lester and probably better than Dempster going forward, though (as you can tell, I'm not high on Lester's prospects for the rest of the year). However, when it comes to Garza, we're nitpicking here since we're saying essentially the same thing: Matt Garza is very likely to cost a lot more than he's worth. Look, personally I'm fine with the Sox standing pat. In my mind, they're playing with house money at this point this season; this was supposed to be a likeable, competitive team that probably came up a bit short but set the stage for a more powerful team next year and beyond. They're better than that because Lackey is suddenly an ace again, Ortiz is as good as he's ever been, Buchholz is even better than anticipated (when he pitches), and Iglesias has inexplicably decided he's Derek Jeter at the plate instead of Rey Ordonez. And also the AL East is filled with good teams with holes (and the Yankees, who aren't good)), giving an opening to the Sox to charge through. But my point with the "top shelf pitching and right-handed power" was mostly to say that I think that anything that would significantly improve the team would likely interfere too much with the long-term plan of building a team that can challenge for the World Series for the next 4-5 years.
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Post by grandsalami on Jul 5, 2013 14:55:41 GMT -5
Peter Gammons ?@pgammo 2m Tim Hudson has let some former teammates know he thinks he could get dealt. Watch Texas, Boston, San Fransisco... twitter.com/pgammo
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Post by thegoodthebadthesox on Jul 5, 2013 14:56:32 GMT -5
Peter Gammons ?@pgammo 2m Tim Hudson has let some former teammates know he thinks he could get dealt. Watch Texas, Boston, San Fransisco... twitter.com/pgammoDepending on who the Sox give up, that wouldn't be the worst deal in the world.
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Post by charliezink16 on Jul 5, 2013 15:06:00 GMT -5
I would love to have Garza, but I suspect the package to attain him would be way too much. Just last year Theo got Aroldys Vizcaino for Paul Maholm... If Boston wants to be WS contenders, they may need to add a good arm, but I'm not too fond of going after Garza.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Jul 5, 2013 15:30:15 GMT -5
Look, personally I'm fine with the Sox standing pat. In my mind, they're playing with house money at this point this season; this was supposed to be a likeable, competitive team that probably came up a bit short but set the stage for a more powerful team next year and beyond. They're better than that because Lackey is suddenly an ace again, Ortiz is as good as he's ever been, Buchholz is even better than anticipated (when he pitches), and Iglesias has inexplicably decided he's Derek Jeter at the plate instead of Rey Ordonez. And also the AL East is filled with good teams with holes (and the Yankees, who aren't good)), giving an opening to the Sox to charge through. But my point with the "top shelf pitching and right-handed power" was mostly to say that I think that anything that would significantly improve the team would likely interfere too much with the long-term plan of building a team that can challenge for the World Series for the next 4-5 years.Isn't this just shades of the Nats shutting down Strasburg last year? Yeah, the Sox WERE on a five year plan or whatever. But right now, they're leading the toughest division in baseball by a decent margin with a roster that isn't necessarily built to last, and they need a new plan based on that. I'm not saying gut the farm system or anything, but chances to win the AL East (which is very important in the coinflip game era) don't come around every year, and to stand totally pat when the team is in a great position to make a trade (deep farm system and money to spend) because we're holding out for an EVEN BETTER chance to win the World Series down the line is just pure hubris.
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