jimoh
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Post by jimoh on Jun 6, 2013 19:44:29 GMT -5
BA analysis today makes me feel better www.baseballamerica.com/draft/2013-mlb-draft-first-round-analysis/"....His athleticism is equally impressive, as he does a fine job of maintaining and repeating his delivery for such a young and tall pitcher. His father restricted his use of a curveball before his junior season, but Ball already shows aptitude for spinning the ball and has an above-average breaker. He learned to rely on his changeup, which he throws with deceptive arm speed and nice fade. He has a fast arm and a clean arm action, and in a rarity for a high school arm, he has no obvious red flags. While Ball is a likely top 10 choice as a pitcher, the Padres would consider drafting him at No. 13 as an outfielder...."
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Post by futurefenwaystars on Jun 6, 2013 19:45:14 GMT -5
I just got home. Trey Ball wasn't my first choice, but I like the pick. You can't have enough high-ceiling pitchers in your system. Hopefully he signs and gets to Lowell this summer.
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Post by burythehammer on Jun 6, 2013 19:48:32 GMT -5
Hopefully he signs tomorrow so I don't have to read another post about them punting the pick to get #7 next year.
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Post by adiospaydro2005 on Jun 6, 2013 19:49:27 GMT -5
The Red Sox had a lot of excitement in 2011 which is why they were picking 7th in the 2013 MlB draft. How would the 2011 draft have anything to do with our pick in this years draft? Wtf It was a typo. I meant to say 2012 season which we all have tried to forget.
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Post by jimed14 on Jun 6, 2013 19:50:00 GMT -5
Don't people think that they might be overreacting a little when bashing the pick?
I think we have at least a few years before anyone is proven right or wrong.
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Post by mjammz on Jun 6, 2013 19:50:17 GMT -5
You really have to love the pitching depth the Red Sox are building up in the organization.. Barnes, Ranuado, Webster, De La Rosa, Owens, Johnson, Britton and now Ball...
if even only 2-3 of those kids live up to their potential.. the Sox will have a great pitching staff for a long time.
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Post by Guidas on Jun 6, 2013 19:51:05 GMT -5
Ok I have to ask - any chance they completely lowball him to get 2 firsts next year, including 1 first in top 10? Bad strategy overall but given that next years draft is supposed to br rather loaded...
grasping Iat straws here. know.
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Post by thelavarnwayguy on Jun 6, 2013 19:51:50 GMT -5
Considering that Ben said he was surprised he was still on the board, it seems that the underslot option is not there. He looks like he would have signed underslot. He knows he's risky. He would have taken $3 mil in a heartbeat.
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Post by pedroelgrande on Jun 6, 2013 19:54:27 GMT -5
Ok I have to ask - any chance they completely lowball him to get 2 firsts next year, including 1 first in top 10? Bad strategy overall but given that next years draft is supposed to br rather loaded... grasping Iat straws here. know. Why would they do that? Why not add a 6'6" lefty with a chance for 3 above avg pitches?
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Post by jimed14 on Jun 6, 2013 19:54:29 GMT -5
Ok I have to ask - any chance they completely lowball him to get 2 firsts next year, including 1 first in top 10? Bad strategy overall but given that next years draft is supposed to br rather loaded... grasping Iat straws here. know. I highly doubt it. Why do that to a kid and screw with his career? If they wanted to do that, they should have drafted a guy that is pretty set on college.
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Post by amfox1 on Jun 6, 2013 19:55:27 GMT -5
Having now read the reactions to Ball on this board, I can't say I'm surprised with the over-the-top reaction. For the record, I would have taken Shipley and Smith over Ball. I would have taken Ball over Meadows.
Ball shows obvious projection which should lead to increased velocity over the next 2-3 years (the comment complaining about current FB velocity won't be forgotten). Becoming a full-time pitcher and playing the entire year should lead to improvements in his secondary pitches.
In summary, he's left-handed, from a cold weather state, with low mileage on his arm and obvious athleticism. Sounds like a Red Sox pick.
My grades on Ball were as follows:
FB - 50/60 CB - 40/55 CH - 45/60 Control - 50/65 Command - 35/50
BTW, on the velocity question, I had understood that he had touched 95-96 by the end of the season, although he routinely sat at 91-92.
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Post by jdb on Jun 6, 2013 19:56:58 GMT -5
I just got home. Trey Ball wasn't my first choice, but I like the pick. You can't have enough high-ceiling pitchers in your system. Hopefully he signs and gets to Lowell this summer. Agree. I really liked Smith but nobody should be upset here.
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Post by cba82 on Jun 6, 2013 19:58:09 GMT -5
"Hopefully he signs and gets to Lowell this summer." -- No way. GCL this year for sure.
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Post by bighead on Jun 6, 2013 19:58:25 GMT -5
Peter Gammons (@pgammo) 6/6/13, 8:50 PM NL official on Trey Ball:"very athletic, projectionable, power arm with chance to be a number 2"
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Post by burythehammer on Jun 6, 2013 19:58:57 GMT -5
Ok I have to ask - any chance they completely lowball him to get 2 firsts next year, including 1 first in top 10? Bad strategy overall but given that next years draft is supposed to br rather loaded... grasping Iat straws here. know. Stop. Just stop.
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Post by bluechip on Jun 6, 2013 20:00:24 GMT -5
Considering that Ben said he was surprised he was still on the board, That is something every single GM just says, it means absolutely nothing. Jeff Luhnow probably said the same thing about the Mark Appel pick.
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Post by jhenrywaugh, prop. on Jun 6, 2013 20:01:10 GMT -5
I could understand disappointment in the pick if it was a high-floor college guy, but this is a tall, projectable, very athletic HS left-hander. You don't have to be in love with the kid based on that alone, but the Sox spend more on scouting than most, and were surely prepared for, as mentioned earlier, the board blowing up.
They like Ball better than Meadows, than Shipley, or anyone else available. He's not a safe pick, no more than those mentioned, or Dom Smith, or any other intriguing upside names. They took a huge chance on the guy they clearly like better than anyone else on the board. That should have you intrigued, not disappointed. They've done a lot more homework than we have, than BA, or Callis or Mayo or BP has. That's not to say they're right, but give them credit for taking a chance on upside and athleticism.
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Post by jimed14 on Jun 6, 2013 20:01:10 GMT -5
Isn't his ceiling a bit hard to project given that he hasn't focused on pitching and has so much weight to add?
He was draftable as an outfielder in the top half of the first round too.
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Post by bluechip on Jun 6, 2013 20:02:42 GMT -5
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Post by brianthetaoist on Jun 6, 2013 20:02:44 GMT -5
Hmmm, an athletic lefty with 3 quality pitches and a clean action even though he's 6'6"? Honestly, if I had never seen almost all of these guys play in game situations and didn't know anything first hand about him, I'd be cautiously optimistic about that profile ...
Oh wait, that's exactly the situation here.
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Post by jhenrywaugh, prop. on Jun 6, 2013 20:02:46 GMT -5
Stanek still on the board. That's a little surprising to me.
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Post by jimed14 on Jun 6, 2013 20:03:49 GMT -5
I could understand disappointment in the pick if it was a high-floor college guy, but this is a tall, projectable, very athletic HS left-hander. You don't have to be in love with the kid based on that alone, but the Sox spend more on scouting than most, and were surely prepared for, as mentioned earlier, the board blowing up. They like Ball better than Meadows, than Shipley, or anyone else available. He's not a safe pick, no more than those mentioned, or Dom Smith, or any other intriguing upside names. They took a huge chance on the guy they clearly like better than anyone else on the board. That should have you intrigued, not disappointed. They've done a lot more homework than we have, than BA, or Callis or Mayo or BP has. That's not to say they're right, but give them credit for taking a chance on upside and athleticism. I think most of us are guilty of only looking up, hoping someone would fall and ignored the next tier. I hadn't even considered Ball.
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Post by burythehammer on Jun 6, 2013 20:06:28 GMT -5
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Post by adiospaydro2005 on Jun 6, 2013 20:07:03 GMT -5
Stanek is dropping like a lead balloon. If the Tigers or A's don't draft him he could fall to the end of the 1st round. Those Daniel Bard comp surely couldn't have helped.
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Post by ancientsoxfogey on Jun 6, 2013 20:10:30 GMT -5
I'll tell you who I think is killing it this draft: The Pirates. Meadows at #9 AND McGuire at #14.
The thing to note about Ball is that he reportedly increased his velocity about 3-4 mph from his Junior HS year to his senior year. With a lot of filling out yet to do, could the Sox be thinking that the guy MIGHT turn into a Kershaw a couple of years down the line?
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