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Post by soxcentral on Dec 12, 2012 12:02:20 GMT -5
On another note, I don't care that Youk went to NYY, I would've boo'd him regardless where he was, always felt he was a pompass ass. When he produced, it was all good, but it was time for him to go because his skills are gone but he's the same attitude and probably worse since he's probably always in a bad mood about his production. Go suck in NY Youk. www.youkskids.org/Kevin-Youkilis-Charity.htmlMy business did a lot of work for Youk's Kids last spring, and they do great things. I'd find it hard to boo anyone who has leveraged his fame to positively impact so many people in need when he could have really been a pompous ass and done nothing.
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Post by sdiaz1 on Dec 12, 2012 12:06:42 GMT -5
"I think it's worth noting that Choo was not traded for Bauer as Arizona did not end up with him. It seems the real question should be could the Sox have moved Iglesias in a package for him?"
There were several moving parts to this deal, and I must admit that I do not know much about Gregorious. However from Cleavland's perspective they dealt Choo, the remains of Lars Anderson, and utility infielder for Bauer and a decent very toolsy but flawed outfielder.
A Package starting with Iglesias would not have been enough (and I am rather bullish on Iglesias)
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Post by mainesox on Dec 12, 2012 12:22:41 GMT -5
On another note, I don't care that Youk went to NYY, I would've boo'd him regardless where he was, always felt he was a pompass ass. When he produced, it was all good, but it was time for him to go because his skills are gone but he's the same attitude and probably worse since he's probably always in a bad mood about his production. Go suck in NY Youk. Those are some pretty sour grapes
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Post by Guidas on Dec 12, 2012 12:39:11 GMT -5
A few years ago my baby sister was undergoing chemotherapy at Children's Hospital. On Christmas. Youk came for a visit and put a big smile on her face. He seemed like a nice guy. God bless.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Dec 12, 2012 15:21:50 GMT -5
The imbalance of this deal for Arizona shows how badly they wanted to rid themselves of Bauer. There have been rumblings in Phoenix for months that Bauer is potentially a serious off-field and clubhouse problem. He thinks he is the next great white rapper, has not shown a focus on pitching, has "his way" of doing everything and has been extremely confrontational with coaches. His act did not sit well with veterans on the team. You can imagine how this plays with Kirk Gibson. That will certainly be an interesting test for Tito. Put Bauer under Masterson's wing. Maybe bribe him to behave better with some of Meryl's cookies?
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Post by James Dunne on Dec 12, 2012 19:41:56 GMT -5
That will certainly be an interesting test for Tito. Put Bauer under Masterson's wing. Maybe bribe him to behave better with some of Meryl's cookies? I picture them hanging out, and can't help hearing "The Odd Couple" theme playing in the background.
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Post by grandsalami on Dec 13, 2012 13:57:58 GMT -5
Tim Brown @tbrownyahoo Confirming @joeontheradio report, industry source says Angels are indeed getting close on a deal with Hamilton. Not quite done.
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Post by honkbal on Dec 13, 2012 14:01:18 GMT -5
Tim Brown @tbrownyahoo Confirming @joeontheradio report, industry source says Angels are indeed getting close on a deal with Hamilton. Not quite done. That's kind of out of nowhere. I'm guessing they made a 5+ year offer?
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Post by jmei on Dec 13, 2012 14:03:15 GMT -5
Angels lost out on Greinke, will now overpay for Hamilton. Willing to bet it's 4-5 years at $20m+ AAV.
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Post by elguapo on Dec 13, 2012 14:10:14 GMT -5
Angels lost out on Greinke, will now overpay for Hamilton. Willing to bet it's 4-5 years at $20m+ AAV. Seems like a safe bet. It would be shocking if Hamilton signed for less than $20M/yr, and a 4th year (at least) is not a stretch.
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Post by soxfan06 on Dec 13, 2012 14:24:26 GMT -5
5 years
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Post by honkbal on Dec 13, 2012 14:27:35 GMT -5
There it is. So, will it be $24 or $25 million per?
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Post by nexus on Dec 13, 2012 14:28:33 GMT -5
I'd be shocked if it's not 5/$125M+.
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Post by texs31 on Dec 13, 2012 14:34:29 GMT -5
Interesting to see what Texas does to counter. Sign Bourn and/or a "lesser" starter (after their failed attempt at Greinke)? Trade for Upton (if he's even available) or another bat?
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Post by grandsalami on Dec 13, 2012 14:34:52 GMT -5
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Post by jmei on Dec 13, 2012 14:42:34 GMT -5
Maybe the Rangers will now turn to Ellsbury. A package deal of Ellsbury and Saltalamacchia may be enough to get Derek Holland, which would be great.
And while the Angels are solid contenders for the next few years, in 2017 they'll have a 37-year-old Pujols and a 36-year-old Josh Hamilton combining to take up $51m of roster space. Granted, Mike Trout would only be into his third arbitration year in 2017, but still.
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Post by honkbal on Dec 13, 2012 14:49:03 GMT -5
Maybe the Rangers will now turn to Ellsbury. A package deal of Ellsbury and Saltalamacchia may be enough to get Derek Holland, which would be great. And while the Angels are solid contenders for the next few years, in 2017 they'll have a 37-year-old Pujols and a 36-year-old Josh Hamilton combining to take up $51m of roster space. Granted, Mike Trout would only be into his third arbitration year in 2017, but still. Yeah, this is a pretty clear case of going all-in for the next three years and taking your chances that they might be a mediocre, overpaid team in 2016-17. So how many times will Mike Scioscia try to call for a hit-and-run with a Trout, Pujols, Hamilton, Trumbo heart of the order?
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Post by James Dunne on Dec 13, 2012 14:49:07 GMT -5
And while the Angels are solid contenders for the next few years, in 2017 they'll have a 37-year-old Pujols and a 36-year-old Josh Hamilton combining to take up $51m of roster space. Granted, Mike Trout would only be into his third arbitration year in 2017, but still. That's true, though if they win a World Series in the meantime it's worth it. Sometimes, for a team that's in contention right now, it makes sense to take a hit at the back end to make itself a championship contender today.
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Post by mainesox on Dec 13, 2012 14:52:25 GMT -5
I wonder if this makes Morales available? Hypothetical question - would you nix the Napoli deal to trade for Morales?
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Post by bluechip on Dec 13, 2012 14:55:30 GMT -5
And while the Angels are solid contenders for the next few years, in 2017 they'll have a 37-year-old Pujols and a 36-year-old Josh Hamilton combining to take up $51m of roster space. Granted, Mike Trout would only be into his third arbitration year in 2017, but still. That's true, though if they win a World Series in the meantime it's worth it. Sometimes, for a team that's in contention right now, it makes sense to take a hit at the back end to make itself a championship contender today. With the Marginal Value of wins, it makes more sense for a team close to competing to spend more on a player which will push them into the playoffs. It does not make as much sense for a team like the Red Sox who will likely not make the playoffs regardless of the signing.
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Post by Guidas on Dec 13, 2012 15:05:04 GMT -5
I wonder if this makes Morales available? Hypothetical question - would you nix the Napoli deal to trade for Morales? Depends what they want back. And what the medicals look like on Morales, but, yeah, you pick up the phone. For Texas this must be like if the Sox got Cano. ADDED: Not that I would advocate, but guessing you could probably get Morales for a song if you took Wells with you.
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Post by bluechip on Dec 13, 2012 15:09:34 GMT -5
I wonder if this makes Morales available? Hypothetical question - would you nix the Napoli deal to trade for Morales? Depends what they want back. And what the medicals look like on Morales, but, yeah, you pick up the phone. For Texas this must be like if the Sox got Cano. Jon Daniels is reportedly annoyed that Hamilton did not give him a chance to match. Of course Daniels has spent the last month trying to trade for Justin Upton...
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Post by bluechip on Dec 13, 2012 15:26:58 GMT -5
Maybe the Rangers will now turn to Ellsbury. A package deal of Ellsbury and Saltalamacchia may be enough to get Derek Holland, which would be great. Not a big Derek Holland fan. Mike Olt has some appeal, but its not an area of need for the Red Sox. Martin Perez might be market value considering the going rate for CFers on the trade market. Maybe you could get Leonys Martin too.
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Post by James Dunne on Dec 13, 2012 15:58:24 GMT -5
I wonder if this makes Morales available? Hypothetical question - would you nix the Napoli deal to trade for Morales? I would guess that they will explore trading one of Morales, Trumbo and Bourjos in exchange for pitching. In their shoes, I'd probably deal Trumbo, because his value is at a high point. I don't know that Morales gets a ton in return for them, and I think Bourjos is better than he played in '12. I prefer Napoli to Morales. Morales really seems to have lost all of his pre-injury athleticism, and doesn't have the plate discipline or power that Napoli does. Better contact hitter, but that's really the only advantage, and he doesn't translate it into a high OBP.
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Post by rjp313jr on Dec 13, 2012 16:24:30 GMT -5
On another note, I don't care that Youk went to NYY, I would've boo'd him regardless where he was, always felt he was a pompass ass. When he produced, it was all good, but it was time for him to go because his skills are gone but he's the same attitude and probably worse since he's probably always in a bad mood about his production. Go suck in NY Youk. www.youkskids.org/Kevin-Youkilis-Charity.htmlPeople are complex individuals and athletes maybe even more so. Just because someone has a bad attitude in a club house or when dealing with people on the Street, doesn't mean they can't do great things like set-up a charity or visit sick children in hospitals. Some people are "great people" to one group of people and the worst nightmare to another. If you want to believe Youk was a great attitude for the team, go for it, but when I do not, don't throw a charity link or tell me about a hospital visit like it contradicts my perception. If Youk were a durable player and could put up stats like he did 4 years ago then I wouldn't give a crap. But he isn't so while I'm happy for the memories, I don't miss him in the least bit and quite frankly and happy he's not here. Tiger Woods Ron Artest Eric Lindross All do a lot of charity work or contribute to charities. Karl Malone's story is one you might want to familiarize yourself with when throwing certain good deeds out there about a pro athlete (cough hospital visits and charities). Bringing up Karl Malone and the other professionals is not to compare them to Youk as an individual. Everyone is different and most people have good if not great qualities to them. A charity and a hospital visit point to some good qualities Youk has; they have nothing to do with the attitude he brings to the stadium and other aspects of his life.
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