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Post by bluechip on Dec 4, 2012 14:39:44 GMT -5
Jim Bowden: Rangers considering signing Hamilton then trading Andrus for Upton and playing Profar at SS despite present position of not trading Andrus Good move for the Rangers, IMO
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Dec 4, 2012 16:36:56 GMT -5
I guess, but what does trading Andrus for Upton have to do with re-signing Hamilton? Why would one be contingent on the other? Are outfielders like RAM, where you have to install them in matched pairs?
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Post by tns on Dec 4, 2012 16:49:25 GMT -5
I guess, but what does trading Andrus for Upton have to do with re-signing Hamilton? Why would one be contingent on the other? Are outfielders like RAM, where you have to install them in matched pairs? It potentially affects where Kinsler would be displaced to. (With Profar and Andrus up the middle and Hamilton remaining in their outfield, what position does Kinsler shift over to? What would that move also mean for Ott?)
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Post by theolearyfactor on Dec 4, 2012 23:26:34 GMT -5
Speaking of the Rangers, former Sox prodigy Chih-Hsien Chang has signed a minor league deal with them.
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Post by elguapo on Dec 4, 2012 23:32:31 GMT -5
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Post by sibbysisti on Dec 4, 2012 23:35:11 GMT -5
Good for Scoots. He deservesa nice contract to return to the WS champs. Three years is a little long. But in today's FA world, not surprising.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Dec 5, 2012 1:31:21 GMT -5
Rays get Yunel Escobar from the Marlins in exchange for Derek Dietrich. By the way, I love the Rays' depth chart on their website right now, which currently has Zobrist at three positions and Longoria at two: mlb.mlb.com/team/depth_chart/index.jsp?c_id=tb
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Post by rangoon82 on Dec 5, 2012 2:02:34 GMT -5
Love me some Scutaro but yeah, I dunno about 3 years to a player fairly close to 40.
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Post by theolearyfactor on Dec 5, 2012 4:07:30 GMT -5
Rays get Yunel Escobar from the Marlins in exchange for Derek Dietrich. By the way, I love the Rays' depth chart on their website right now, which currently has Zobrist at three positions and Longoria at two: mlb.mlb.com/team/depth_chart/index.jsp?c_id=tbWow. If you're Friedman, how do you not try and trade Shields or Hellickson to the Nats for Espinosa or Morse? I'd heard this deal thrown around before the Loney signing because Morse is slated to play first for the Nationals at the moment. But he played LF for them last year so he should still have some appeal to Tampa. This deal made total sense for both sides before the Haren signing.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Dec 5, 2012 14:57:24 GMT -5
Love me some Scutaro but yeah, I dunno about 3 years to a player fairly close to 40. I suppose it's been true for a while now, but what really strikes me about the crazy money getting thrown at very questionable mid-range talent this winter is just how massively discriminatory baseball is towards young players. The game is so flush with money that Scutaro gets $20m, but Stanton,Trout, etc, just have no access to that money at all as professionals and extremely limited access to it as amateurs? To me this seems completely insane.
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Post by jmei on Dec 5, 2012 15:04:22 GMT -5
Chavez signs for one year, $3m with Arizona, which is a surprisingly reasonable deal. I'm surprised the Yankees at least didn't meet it.
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Post by steveofbradenton on Dec 5, 2012 15:09:33 GMT -5
Chavez signs for one year, $3m with Arizona, which is a surprisingly reasonable deal. I'm surprised the Yankees at least didn't meet it. Boy with Chavez and Keppinger both signing with other teams today, that sort of puts the Yankees up that creek without a paddle! I feel just as bad as you do.
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Post by bluechip on Dec 5, 2012 16:10:53 GMT -5
Chavez signs for one year, $3m with Arizona, which is a surprisingly reasonable deal. I'm surprised the Yankees at least didn't meet it. Boy with Chavez and Keppinger both signing with other teams today, that sort of puts the Yankees up that creek without a paddle! I feel just as bad as you do. Yankees sound a little down in the dumps today. Youkilis supposedly has multiple mulit-year offers on the table. Thirdbase is looking like a huge hole for them.
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Post by grandsalami on Dec 6, 2012 11:04:29 GMT -5
Andrew Marchand @andrewmarchand Yankees are listening to offers on Granderson, Hughes and Nova
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Post by grandsalami on Dec 6, 2012 11:45:52 GMT -5
RT: @danbarbarisi: Source: Yankee GM Cashman came to winter meetings without the authority to make offers on.wsj.com/YF1bXI via @wsj
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Post by welovewally on Dec 6, 2012 12:21:17 GMT -5
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Post by James Dunne on Dec 7, 2012 12:19:35 GMT -5
That was a great trade for the Twins. They have Aaron Hicks in waiting, who I like better than Revere. I think Hicks may struggle if they give him the starting CF job this year, but I think he's the long-term answer anyway.
Worley is a solid mid-rotation guy, provided he is healthy. I think the 3.01 ERA in '11 was a fluke, but I like him as a 4.00 guy, and the Twins really need solid innings. May is a high-upside arm. He struggled last year, but I still expect him to be in Rochester in '13, and he's a great candidate for a bullpen move if he struggles. The Twins need high-end arms in a bad way, their major league staff is a total joke, and really helps with that.
EDIT: I should note - people may read that May is/was "Philadelphia's #1 prospect," but don't read too much into that - it's more an indictment of the Philly system than an indication that May is a front-liner. If he was in the Red Sox system, I'd rank him below Barnes/Webster/de la Rosa. Higher upsde than Webster, maybe, but farther from it. Still, a huge upgrade for the Twins who really needed the help in the upper levels.
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Post by mainesox on Dec 7, 2012 12:52:29 GMT -5
EDIT: I should note - people may read that May is/was "Philadelphia's #1 prospect," but don't read too much into that - it's more an indictment of the Philly system than an indication that May is a front-liner. If he was in the Red Sox system, I'd rank him below Barnes/Webster/de la Rosa. Higher upsde than Webster, maybe, but farther from it. Still, a huge upgrade for the Twins who really needed the help in the upper levels. Just to emphasize what you're saying: Jim Callis @jimcallisba No. Very strong top 5-6 prospects. May not overall Top 100 guy. @bwelshons: with Meyer and May are the #Twins now a top 5 farm system?
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Post by raftsox on Dec 7, 2012 14:03:51 GMT -5
I suppose it's been true for a while now, but what really strikes me about the crazy money getting thrown at very questionable mid-range talent this winter is just how massively discriminatory baseball is towards young players. The game is so flush with money that Scutaro gets $20m, but Stanton,Trout, etc, just have no access to that money at all as professionals and extremely limited access to it as amateurs? To me this seems completely insane. UNION. Don't reward the most deserving person, just the one that's been there the longest.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Dec 7, 2012 14:25:20 GMT -5
UNION. Don't reward the most deserving person, just the one that's been there the longest. Good thing this never happens outside of unionized workforces
The union has no incentive whatsoever to keep young players underpaid. The owners, on the other hand...
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Post by elguapo on Dec 7, 2012 14:52:32 GMT -5
The union has no incentive whatsoever to keep young players underpaid. The owners, on the other hand... Rank ignorance. The owners are going to pay one way or the other. The union membership, like most unions, tends to favor the already-haves over future members. Of course the real drop-off is from the "poor" shlubs pulling down the minimum (soon to be a cool half mil) vs minor leaguers and new signees, which is where we're seen (more or less) hard slotting and salary caps come into effect. Now, there is a legitimate benefit to a team controlling rights to a player for ~10+ years, and that is the incentive for the teams to develop talent for the business and invest in ... well, job training and medical care for trainees.
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Post by rjp313jr on Dec 7, 2012 14:56:28 GMT -5
Boy with Chavez and Keppinger both signing with other teams today, that sort of puts the Yankees up that creek without a paddle! I feel just as bad as you do. Yankees sound a little down in the dumps today. Youkilis supposedly has multiple mulit-year offers on the table. Thirdbase is looking like a huge hole for them. Thirdbase isn't a hole for the Yankees they have Arod at 27M+ through about 2017. They are all set.
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Post by rjp313jr on Dec 7, 2012 14:59:27 GMT -5
I guarentee you Trout has access to millions of dollars right now if he'd sign a long-term deal buying out a couple Free Agent years. And I'm not talking about a Longoria 17M type deal either.
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Post by bluechip on Dec 7, 2012 15:00:02 GMT -5
Yankees sound a little down in the dumps today. Youkilis supposedly has multiple mulit-year offers on the table. Thirdbase is looking like a huge hole for them. Thirdbase isn't a hole for the Yankees they have Arod at 27M+ through about 2017. They are all set. A-Rod who will miss at least the first half of 2013?
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Post by greekgodofpancakes on Dec 7, 2012 19:38:28 GMT -5
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