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Post by soxcentral on Jul 21, 2013 11:20:07 GMT -5
Have we reached a crisis point yet where it makes sense to look at putting this guy in our pen? Best Internal OptionMaybe that is already being discussed with the pursuit of Peavy, Garza, etc. Even a signing of Miguel Gonzalez would work. This may be the only way to fill the bullpen void with an immediate proven option without sacrificing anything over the long-term. EDIT: To clarify, not sacrificing anything over the long term was more in reference to signing Gonzalez than a Peavy or Garza. Really just throwing out the idea that the pen can be solved internally with Dempster plus younger arms as 6th/7th inning relievers. The rotation can be filled with Lester/Lackey/Doubront/Buchholz plus a lower-cost alternative in the #5 spot as opposed to having to get a back end reliever that would likely cost a lot more.
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Post by mgoetze on Jul 21, 2013 11:42:52 GMT -5
Buchholz isn't very rotation-filling at the moment, though.
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Post by Guidas on Jul 21, 2013 11:47:37 GMT -5
Buchholz could've gotten that bursa sac surgically removed in June and would be ready (and pain free). Trade-off is higher potential for arthritis 20 years from now, but by then, medical science could use magic stem cells to grow the bursa back (sometimes they grow back on their own, so the genetic coding is there already). Would've been a bit of a radical non-offseason treatment, but he'd be pain free within a week.
Yours with a bursa sac free left elbow,
Guidas
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Post by sarasoxer on Jul 21, 2013 12:19:41 GMT -5
Buchholz could've gotten that bursa sac surgically removed in June and would be ready (and pain free). Trade-off is higher potential for arthritis 20 years from now, but by then, medical science could use magic stem cells to grow the bursa back (sometimes they grow back on their own, so the genetic coding is there already). Would've been a bit of a radical non-offseason treatment, but he'd be pain free within a week. Yours with a bursa sac free left elbow, Guidas Dr, Guidas......verrrrry interesssting. I wonder why the Sox have not intervened in that manner after such a delay. I've had an long standing inflamed hip bursa aggravated by jogging and was prescribed non-steroidal analgesics...that helped but never cured the problem. I suspect that Buch had a little more powerful anti-inflammatory steroid administered. I am very worried that we will empty the farm to get a Garza, Norris, Rodney or others. If we don't, we will be a perennial contender. If we do....heaven help us in the draft. I could see us dumping a Barnes, Ranaudo, Owens, Rijo or other top prospects.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Jul 21, 2013 12:36:02 GMT -5
Buchholz could've gotten that bursa sac surgically removed in June and would be ready (and pain free). Trade-off is higher potential for arthritis 20 years from now, but by then, medical science could use magic stem cells to grow the bursa back (sometimes they grow back on their own, so the genetic coding is there already). Would've been a bit of a radical non-offseason treatment, but he'd be pain free within a week. Yours with a bursa sac free left elbow,
Guidas Because an elbow is exactly the same as a shoulder, and you, Bro DudeGuy MD, are the same thing as a MLB starting pitcher.
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Post by widewordofsport on Jul 21, 2013 12:49:19 GMT -5
Yeah... I would not be recommending removal of a bursa sac for anyone who makes a living from an elbow. Also, not really sure what you mean by the genetics are there to replace a bursa sac... since obviously the genetics made it in the first place? Biomechanical correction (and time and anti-inflammatory medication) seem like the realistic way to go, unfortunately for all of us.
Not sure how sarcastic you were (very, I assume) but yeah, you don't want to be pulling random pieces of your body out unnecessarily, and counting on restoration of developmental genetic and biomechanical processes in adulthood.
Edit: sarasoxer don't get it removed! RICE the crap out of it, and fix your running form/core. Or do what I do, run anyway then just complain to my significant other all night how much it hurts.
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Post by bluechip on Jul 26, 2013 9:54:29 GMT -5
Any thoughts on whether Contreras joins the MLB pen soon? Not that Beato has been bad, but Contreras could probably be as good.
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Post by James Dunne on Jul 26, 2013 10:08:08 GMT -5
If Beato's going to keep throwing that splitter like he has the last couple times out, I'd just as soon keep him around.
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Post by johnsilver52 on Jul 26, 2013 10:16:34 GMT -5
Any thoughts on whether Contreras joins the MLB pen soon? Not that Beato has been bad, but Contreras could probably be as good. Probably more a question of whom to remove from the 40 man roster with him. The old favorites of Butler, Wright and Hassan are always the most popular of course. My guess is that Wright may have bought himself a "1st odds" by with his nice long relief stint his last go around and it's down to Butler/Hassan when they finally call up Contreras.
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Post by iakovos11 on Jul 26, 2013 10:18:34 GMT -5
The way Butler and Hassan have been hitting, I'm not the Sox are really ready to expose them.
I agree 100% with James. As long as Beato keeps throwing that slittler like he has recently and with the same success, he won't be going anywhere.
Plus, trades have a way of clearing 40-man space sometimes. At least if you're a buyer it does.
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Post by James Dunne on Jul 26, 2013 10:29:56 GMT -5
There are basically two open spots on the 40-man right now. There are only 39 listed, and that includes Bailey. So no need to DFA anyone to get whatever extra they want up.
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Post by bluechip on Jul 26, 2013 10:42:25 GMT -5
True about Beato. De La Torre is probably the one who would be replaced by Contreras.
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Post by johnsilver52 on Jul 26, 2013 11:35:30 GMT -5
The way Butler and Hassan have been hitting, I'm not the Sox are really ready to expose them. I agree 100% with James. As long as Beato keeps throwing that slittler like he has recently and with the same success, he won't be going anywhere. Plus, trades have a way of clearing 40-man space sometimes. At least if you're a buyer it does. Agree with Beato looking better this go around and with the trade mention. I think more to Britton being on the roster than just being another lefty.. He's being shown around the league. My guess is he won't be around in 2014.
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Post by hammerhead on Jul 26, 2013 11:41:28 GMT -5
huh?!? why wouldn't Britton be around if he's not traded, he's been very good in the pen SSS and all. And why would the 40 man roster be a concern at all? Bailey can go on the 60-day and they still have the corpse of Daniel Bard collecting dust.
the 40-man flexibility is a strength right now not a problem.
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Post by johnsilver52 on Jul 26, 2013 11:50:22 GMT -5
huh?!? why wouldn't Britton be around if he's not traded, he's been very good in the pen SSS and all. And why would the 40 man roster be a concern at all? Bailey can go on the 60-day and they still have the corpse of Daniel Bard collecting dust. the 40-man flexibility is a strength right now not a problem. Showcased.. As in being shown around the league as a trade chip. never said a word about DFA/release. Think Britton is the lesser of the "big 6" SP prospects near MLB status (Britton, Barnes, Ranaudo, Workman, RDLR, Webster) and they would like to move him if possible for any kind of help, as he's least likely to pan out. Edit: That doesn't mean others am not high on. See Ranaudo as another they could move and not likely to last either. Just my personal opinion of course.
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Post by James Dunne on Jul 26, 2013 11:53:21 GMT -5
If they were showcasing Britton, I don't think they would have him on the major league rosters against a couple of the best hitting teams in the league after such a short stint in Triple-A. He may well end up traded, but he's in the bullpen right now because the Red Sox believe he's the best option.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jul 27, 2013 23:24:37 GMT -5
Concur. That was the whole point of calling Workman up too. They wanted to see if these guys could be the relief help they were looking for rather than trading them as part of a package.
Working well enough that it looks like it's changed what they plan on doing (See Gammo tweet about shopping Thornton for a RHP).
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