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Post by notguilty on Feb 19, 2018 21:12:20 GMT -5
Major Kudos for DD. Who among us thought he would pull this off at that cost and who among us would have had the balls to even try. I don't always like DD's moves but the guy has huevos. If this failed it would have been epic. And think about all the supplementary factors. Hanley would have been a lot more likely to get his AB in and automatically extended. We now have exceptional lineup depth with both Martinez and Nunez enabling us to put starting level players ( Moreland/Hanley/insert outfielder here ) on the bench for a rest and that is all over the infield or outfield. If I were opposing pitchers and Martinez is anything at all like the 1 HR / 10 AB guy he was last year who would pitch to him? Babe Ruth had 1 HR for every 11.8 AB wasn't it? Something off the charts like that. Give this guy as many At bats as you can. He's a thinner, right handed Ortiz. Yup, my thoughts exactly about DD. I’ve been highly critical of him, but he handled this perfectly. I'd like to third this. I haven't been a DD fan, but you've got to hand it to him here. Can't be easy keeping cool when Boras does his stuff. Team is looking good too. Still a bit worried about the pitching after the top 3 + the bullpen, but the team looks solid. And under the luxury tax? Attaboy, Dave.
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Post by notguilty on Oct 7, 2017 8:15:52 GMT -5
How come I get the feeling that danrehawk is dombrowski himself pulling a Durant To be fair, DD's job security shouldn't even be put into question. This franchises badly needs some stability, there's a chance that Farrell is fired after the playoffs (I disagree with that, but my opinion really doesn't mean anything) and yet I highly doubt they would hire anyone over Gary DiSarcina. I understand why people complain about losing Lovullo, but DiSarcina is also a very well regarded future manager and I feel he was hired as a bench coach to eventually take the main gig. The Red Sox are in it for the long run with that Mookie/Xander/Rafa/Christian/Benny/Bradley core. That's not a bad thing at all, however it will only work with continuity in the FO. Unless DD displays some incredible level of incompetence which he hasn't thus far IMO he's here for the long run as well. I find reactions to be a little excessive on both fronts. It’s silly to say DD should be fired. I’m no DD fan, and I don’t like the way the season has turned out, but I see no fireable offense in what he’s done. But I also think it’s really keeping blinders on to say DD has done a great job, and this team is in a great position for the future. DD has done precisely what he does. He’s put this team in a position to contend the past two years he’s been here. He’s done some great trades. It’s tough to quibble about the Sale trade; even the Pomeranz deal looks good for DD, and I hated that deal. If you want to live in the here and now (as most people do), it’s honestly difficult to do a lot better than Dombrowski. To me, the problem isn’t him per se – it’s that the Red Sox ditched an approach to team-building and sustainable winning that wasn’t easy to implement (see last place finishes), for one that like cocaine, gives you some pretty high highs over a shorter-term window, with some pretty hard crashes. And right now, other than winning the offseason talk, the “high” feels pretty crappy. I preferred the previous approach to sustainable winning, so I’m admittedly biased. People talk of how there’s such a great core and long-term future, if only so and so would hit or play to their capabilities. Really? I see a team with some good, not great young players whose salaries are increasing (I mean, I love Bogaerts – but I see Correa, and I’m like damn..), a bunch of overpaid veterans, dead contracts, substantial injury risk (yes, you, David Price) and a pretty tough payroll/Luxury tax situation. And that’s without even getting into the analytics or the manager thing. I fully expect DD to make some big moves again this winter that’ll make people feel good, to bring a big veteran hitter or two here – be it showing the money to JD Martinez, or trading one of the young guys + some of what’s left in the farm. And he should probably do that, because with his approach, once you’ve started, you just have to keep doing it until you don’t have the money or the farm system any more. DD has done exactly what I thought he would do. And I just shudder, thinking of the Detroit-like state in which he will leave the Red Sox. Hopefully we run into a World Series before that happens, but boy, the likelihood of that just isn’t very good right now, and the window to do it is just getting tighter and tighter. But this is the bed we chose to make. We’ll just have to sleep in it for a little while.
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Post by notguilty on Jul 31, 2017 14:23:20 GMT -5
Brian Cashman trades three broken down prospects for Sonny Gray ... I'm sick Why? Haven't you heard Billy "Moneyball" Beane is a genius?
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Post by notguilty on Jul 28, 2017 7:22:46 GMT -5
How about Price turning up the volume on his music so Rob Bradford couldn't interview Sale? That was cool He didn't do that, did he? Until I see it with a link I don't believe. www.weei.com/media/audio-channel/omf-rob-bradfords-rave-music-adventure-still-waiting-real-clubhouse-leader-7-25I thought it was pretty funny actually - but yeah, Price does come off as a bit of a jerk. Somebody said this somewhere (sorry, I forgot where), and I'll repeat it here. When Price was with Tampa and had his issues with Ortiz and the Sox, I thought he was just a bit of an ***. The thing he said about Ortiz and brought war and men and women in uniform in it was just...weird. Then he comes here, we desperately need an ace, and we're like - "Fine, maybe he's a jerk, but he's our jerk now". Then you figure that naah, the guy is just kind of a jerk. Does it matter? It depends on the perspective, I guess. Some people just want the team to win, and the fabric and character of the team doesn't really matter to them. Others want to win too, but the fabric and character of the team makes the experience more enjoyable. I know that I for one have a hard time rooting for anybody who is so obviously an ***hole. When Sale pitches, I almost organize my evening to be able to catch the innings. When Price pitches? He's a good pitcher, but meh. If I catch it, I catch it. But I'm sure ain't planning my evening so I can watch that guy. There are certainly exceptions. It was pretty clear Bonds was always a bit of an *** - but boy, those at bats were something, juiced or not.
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Post by notguilty on Jul 25, 2017 16:57:00 GMT -5
I realize it's been said in this thread already, but the lack of leadership from the manager & veterans on this team is eye opening. I think they made a huge mistake a few years back when they kept Farrell & in turn lost Lovullo. If I recall correctly, when Farrell had to take time off is when Bogaerts, JBJ & Betts started to settle in. I think Lovullo would've worked great with a younger team. On top of that, you can see the difference a year makes with losing Papi. He was huge in the clubhouse, especially with the younger guys. Dustin seems to be good in the clubhouse, but isn't a true leader. He was better at keeping the team loose role, than calling his teammates out when they were out of line. Price is obviously immature & has thin skin. From his past shenanigans I don't think it falls into "big bad Boston media" story. He's a bad influence on an inexperienced team trying to find their way. I think there's a leadership void on this team & maybe he's trying to fill that void. We can see from the outside that he doesn't have the demeanor to be that guy. It's scary because if you look at their key players, they're either to young (Betts, Bogaerts) or to immature (Price, Hanley). Sale does it by busting his butt on the field. This could be a major problem going forward. Hopefully in time Hanley will be gone & Price opts out, some of the other guys will establish themselves by then. Interesting handle. At least we know where you stand, lol.
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Post by notguilty on Jun 5, 2017 11:30:35 GMT -5
As we well know by now, one more prospect, or one less, makes no difference really. This Coca kid isn't helping us win now. The Brewers can have him. The Red Sox are GFIN mode! /End of sarcasm.
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Post by notguilty on May 15, 2017 8:51:59 GMT -5
Please no Ben Cherrington. One of the most incompetent GM's of our time. We had among the highest payrolls in baseball and out of 4 years three he helped drive us to last place. Please no. This, frankly, is nonsensical poppycock. I don't even know how to respond to stuff like this. And the poster calling DD "Dumbrowski" should just stop it too. It really doesn't help you make whatever point you are trying to make. Quite the opposite, actually. The topic of this thread is a fair one. It's too bad these types of posts make the thread unbearable to read. With that said, I'd add two things. -I'm not a DD fan, but I don't think we have a choice but to wait a little bit. I'd give it through Sept/Oct. You have a rotation of Sale/Price/Porcello, maybe Thornburg and Smith come back and make an impact. I think things might look a little different then. Third base, I don't know. They've got to figure that one out. -At this point, I think the Sox are all in. It's win or bust. This call has been made, from the front office to (it would seem, most of) the fans. That's a dangerous place to be, but here we are. If there are major weaknesses, they're gonna have to trade whatever is left of minor league assets to shore them up. I really don't see any other paths. I'll enjoy watching Sale and Price pitch whenever they do. But boy, I've rarely dreaded the future of this team like I do now.
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Post by notguilty on Dec 6, 2016 15:30:00 GMT -5
I've been thinking about the day the Red Sox had - the day they blew up their farm system. [..] Snip. What Red Sox Champs said. I mean, this is great. I'm going to enjoy Sale next year. But boy, it'll not be pretty when chicken come home to roost. Just a sentence from Keith Law's write up today- "There’s a long-term price to pay for this new direction, and I suspect it will fall to someone else in four or five years to build the team back up". Hopefully we win a WS in the meantime, though I'll not be holding my breath.
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Post by notguilty on Dec 6, 2016 13:49:45 GMT -5
Well, on the bright side, once we get past the trade deadline next year and he deals Groome and Devers for somebody (I think those two are "blocked", right?), DD will not really have anything left to deal away.
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Post by notguilty on Dec 6, 2016 13:43:21 GMT -5
I'm fine with this. They've just made next year's team much, much better, and both Moncada and Kopech are relatively high-risk prospects that I personally had a few misgivings about. Agreed. Moncada has sell high written all over him. We don't even know if he can hit a curveball. Lol, come on. I know it's required practice to dump on people once they leave the Red Sox, but jeez. He was the #1 or #1a prospect. He can probably play ok.
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Post by notguilty on Dec 6, 2016 13:37:01 GMT -5
I hope Sale fails his physical.
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Post by notguilty on Dec 6, 2016 13:28:18 GMT -5
How did the prospects Dombrowski traded for Miggy and Scherzer turn out? Andrew Miller turned out good 7 years later or whatever Oh sure, stinkin prospects. How many world series did DD win with the tigers again? He sure left the Tigers in great shape, didn't he?
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Post by notguilty on Dec 6, 2016 13:20:02 GMT -5
Lol Dombrowski. Just awful. Boy, has a farm system ever been dismantled as fast as this? This is unbelievable.
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Post by notguilty on Dec 6, 2016 13:10:21 GMT -5
@joelsherman1: Keep in mind there's no more decisive exec than Dombrowski. When he decides he wants something he is aggressive with $/prospects #redsox This sums it up perfectly DD! He's decisive!
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Post by notguilty on Dec 6, 2016 10:46:37 GMT -5
Derelict Dave will not be satisfied until he has a top 5 payroll team that wins 86 - 90 games per year, with a bottom 5 farm system. Lol, this is a little harsh. I think the deal is ok, if Thornburg holds up. Last I read, he was due for Tommy John at some point. You do get him for three years. Don't really like giving up Pennington, but hey - an organization that doesn't really value prospects as much as they used to, you're just relieved they didn't give up Groome or something. I've got to say, you've got to admire how systematically Dombrowski goes about eviscerating the Boston Red Sox farm system. It's a beautiful thing to see, if you're into that kind of thing.
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Post by notguilty on Dec 5, 2016 20:07:24 GMT -5
Yeah, what rookie said. That somebody casually can ask for $400m is really ridiculous, and shows you just how far off the deep end some things are. Talk about living in a bubble. No wonder people are angry - I mean why stop there? He should just ask for a billion dollars, like Dr. Evil. Jeez.
Baseball money is all a bubble anyway. It'll not be pretty when it pops off. Which it will.
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Post by notguilty on Oct 25, 2016 14:43:17 GMT -5
I feel looking back he is a little overrated. Please explain. He's no longer with the Red Sox. Ergo, he was probably terrible anyway...
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Post by notguilty on Oct 25, 2016 8:49:53 GMT -5
And as far as Red Sox fans never going for the rebuilding thing - that's silly. What did Red Sox fans go through in 2012, 2014, and 2015? Dead last place finishes and out of the playoff race by May. So how did that help NESN ratings? So if shortsighted Red Sox ownership was so damn scared of it, guess what they went through anyways? The rebuild that helped propel the Sox forward in 2016 was mainly that 2011 draft, Bogaerts, Pedroia, and Ortiz, and some good moves that worked out later on for Ben Cherington. Yeah this is the dumbest thing people say. "Boston won't tolerate a rebuild". Boston will tolerate a 86 year championship drought but goddamnit if you don't sign some overpriced free agent this offseason who won't help the franchise anyway, people will riot in the streets? It's asinine. People may say that, and they do. But what matters, really, is whether ownership believes it. It appears they do - and in fairness, I can't say they're entirely wrong. There's a powerful, yankee-like "win now every year or bust" contingent in sox-fandom - even on this esteemed site. Let alone the media, which helps build a lot of that sentiment. The owners respond that. That's why DD is here.
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Post by notguilty on Oct 25, 2016 6:47:35 GMT -5
DD is a big boy, he'll be fine. This ain't his first rodeo. He'll bring in his own boyz. I agree that he doesn't really need a fake GM.
The Red Sox, pushed by their fans, have decided that they want to go in a different direction. The last run was pretty good. Let's see how this era goes. I know I'm not looking forward to it (the team building strategy that is - I'll enjoy the kids until they all get traded).
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Post by notguilty on Oct 21, 2016 13:22:17 GMT -5
Uh oh: www.espn.com/blog/buster-olney/insider/post?id=14746"In...a message being received from the rest of the industry is a dramatic shift for one of baseball's oldest franchises: They will listen to trade offers on everybody. Miguel Cabrera. Justin Verlander. Ian Kinsler. Anybody." Dombrowski may not be able to help himself here. They apparently do not plan to extend JD Martinez. Wouldn't mind seeing him in left and Benintendi/Betts in center/right with JBJ going the other way for one year of control on JD and the chance to extend for 4-5 years. K's are always an issue with him but if Bradley Jr is going the other way probably more than a wash in that dept. Looks like Dombrowski will not be the only one not able to help himself.... More stuff for the trade subforum!
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Post by notguilty on Oct 17, 2016 13:10:13 GMT -5
To me, Hazen's departure is (one of) the last nail in the coffin in a Red Sox front office philosophy on "building the next great Red Sox team" that started with Theo and ended abruptly (with some tough lows) with Cherington. It's a natural progression - by bringing in somebody like Dombrowski, the Red Sox ownership (and most of the fans/media) decided that they no longer had the stomach for building through the farm. Winning now, every year is the ultimate priority. This was a fundamental shift, one that will continue to reverberate throughout the organization for a bit - and soon enough, in my opinion, will bite this team in the behind.
My thinking on this, I admit, is biased. I've never really been a Dombrowski fan (I know, I know, the owner made him do it), and I'm scared ...less that he's going to leave the Red Sox in the same state as he left the Tigers - with no sustained playoff performance (let alone titles) to show for it. Sadly, not much of what he has done since he's been here has suggested otherwise to me.
These were some of the names in the Red Sox Front Office, 2007 - Theo Epstein (GM), Ben Cherington, Jed Hoyer, Craig Shipley, Jason McLeod, Allard Baird, Brian O'Halloran, Terry Francona
Today - Dave Dombrowski, Frank Wren, Allard Baird, Brian O'Halloran, John Farrell, Ruben Amaro (well, he's there...)
Let me go somewhere and cry.
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Post by notguilty on Aug 3, 2016 15:18:24 GMT -5
That would be exciting. The team isn't going anywhere so why not see what you have? If only they had a prospect like Anderson Espinoza man, those Padres fans have all the luck in the world!!! You and Kungfuizzy belong with each other.
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Post by notguilty on Aug 1, 2016 15:11:00 GMT -5
This just reminds me how awful the Lackey deal was literally getting negative value for a good SP. It was a gamble that didn't work. In fact, a gamble that failed spectacularly - as often happens with gambles. The irony is, the main impetus behind that move was the same that is driving the DD moves that are now much celebrated in these parts. The notion that in Boston, you don't do rebuild. It's GFIN or bust. So it's a tad ironic to bemoan the Lackey trade while lauding DD for being "decisive" in clearing out the farm system for MLB talent - the base thinking is the same. Now the execution..ugh..in the Lackey case, we'll just have to see for the DD moves.
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Post by notguilty on Jul 25, 2016 20:13:56 GMT -5
Put this in the other thread, probably belongs here- All snark aside, I actually like that deal for the Cubs. Which is funny to me, because I haven’t liked the DD deals at all. This is why I'd appreciate this one if I were a Cubs fan I understand your points and all, but looking at it logically, it's pretty much impossible to dislike the Kimbrel deal and like the Chapman deal. The package really isn't different, the need wasn't different and you even get the bonus of Kimbrel not being a rental or a woman beater. You can't say you "understand" my points, then in the very next sentence proceed to demonstrate that you didn't quite understand them at all. "looking at it logically" and all. If you believe the current context for the Cubs is the same as the context in which the Red Sox found themselves when they traded for Kimbrel, then I don't really know what to tell you. Better we not waste both of our times litigating the finer points of those differences, we'll not agree.
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Post by notguilty on Jul 25, 2016 16:02:49 GMT -5
“ evandrellich : Dave Dombrowski said Sox have received five new trade proposals today. So it’s busy.” A.J. Preller, please go away.. Five separate trade proposals? Now he's just getting greedy.
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